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A blast of hot air at Bali's climate conference
UK Telegraph ^ | December 03 2007

Posted on 12/03/2007 1:51:48 PM PST by knighthawk

It's not the waste that rankles so much as the hypocrisy. Some 15,000 politicians, officials, quangocrats and assorted busybodies are descending on Bali for a jamboree that will produce more than 100,000 tons of CO2 emissions. The purpose of their trip? To discuss how to reduce CO2 emissions.

We wonder whether there would be so many observers and hangers-on if the venue were, say, Düsseldorf. For many of those attending have no direct involvement in the talks.

For example, 19 MEPs, accompanied by advisers and staff, are in Bali, staying at a luxurious spa hotel. Not only will their fares, meals and accommodation be paid for by the rest of us, but they will also claim a further £95 per day.

Our purpose is not just to mock the attendees. No, we have a deeper objection.

The Bali summit represents much of what is wrong with the green movement, in that it elevates intentions over results. The supposedly ethical aims of the conference are presumed to render irrelevant the pollution engendered by its delegates.

Euro-MPs, and politicians generally, often behave this way. When Indonesia was devastated by the 2004 tsunami, MEPs cheerfully voted millions of their constituents' euros in aid.

But when it was suggested that they might contribute a single day's attendance allowance - around £190 - to the relief effort, they were horrified.

They demand green taxation, yet many of them fly to Strasbourg by the most environmentally unfriendly routes, thereby pocketing higher mileage allowances.

The Kyoto agenda is not principally about affecting climate change. Even if we accept all its proponents' figures, we would succeed in reducing the projected temperature rise by just 0.3F over the next century (at a cost of an almost unbelievable £3 trillion).

No, the Bali meeting is not really about doing anything. It is about feeling smug; and getting paid for it.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; bali; globalwarming; kyoto

1 posted on 12/03/2007 1:51:49 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

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2 posted on 12/03/2007 1:52:21 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk
"Quangocrats" ?
Must be really bad.
3 posted on 12/03/2007 1:55:09 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: knighthawk
Shoulda made them hold the conference in Cleveland!
4 posted on 12/03/2007 1:55:35 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: knighthawk

The smell of money. Attracts bureaucrats like flies to a watermelon party.


5 posted on 12/03/2007 1:56:53 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: knighthawk
The Bali summit represents much of what is wrong with the green movement, in that it elevates intentions over results.

Hate to state the obvious, but this is true of all liberals,aka socialist. The ends always justifies the means. Don't worry though: it's going to be utopia when they're done (if we don't all die first).
6 posted on 12/03/2007 1:58:00 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: socialismisinsidious
No mention of the fact that they were notified by the Bali Airport that there was no parking available for the all the private jets
7 posted on 12/03/2007 2:02:56 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It seems to be common British slang.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Quangocrat&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

But I can’t find out what it means, other than maybe a particularly obnoxious bureaucrat.


8 posted on 12/03/2007 2:03:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: knighthawk
Some 15,000 politicians, officials, quangocrats and assorted busybodies are descending on Bali for a jamboree that will produce more than 100,000 tons of CO2 emissions.

Priceless!

9 posted on 12/03/2007 2:05:19 PM PST by aculeus
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To: knighthawk

I was thinking the exact same thing last week when I read this little gem:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/23/not-enough-parking-private-jets-going-un-climate-conference


10 posted on 12/03/2007 2:05:25 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Here’s another line that has liberal/socialist written all over it:

“It is about feeling smug; and getting paid for it.”


11 posted on 12/03/2007 2:05:49 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: aculeus
15 thousand ? 60 Minutes should do a fly-over.

Gad !

12 posted on 12/03/2007 2:07:55 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: knighthawk

Classic Socialism: the apparatchik play while the rest of us pay for it.


13 posted on 12/03/2007 2:11:46 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Shoulda made them hold the conference in Cleveland!

Ohh...that's cruel...

14 posted on 12/03/2007 2:15:52 PM PST by Snardius
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To: Cicero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango

"Quango" means QUAsi Non Governmental Organization, according to wikipedia, so a Quangocrat must be a NGO Bureaucrat. I guess.

15 posted on 12/03/2007 2:16:41 PM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Cicero
Quangos is a term used mainly in Britain to describe so called quasi nongovernmental organizations. That is an organization on which the government has devolved power and given a monopoly like status.

From Wiki:

"The term originated as a humorous shortening of Quasi-NGO, that is, an ostensibly non-governmental organisation which performs governmental functions, often with government funding or other support. There are many such organisations. In Australia and other countries, the Red Cross provides blood bank services, with government support and backing of various kinds. Examples in the United Kingdom include bodies engaged in self-regulation of various sectors, such as the Press Council and the Law Society. An essential feature of a Quango, in the original definition, was that it should not be formally part of the public sector."

"However, the appeal of the term was such that it was extended to a wide range of governmental organisations, such as executive agencies (from 1988) providing health, education and other services. Particularly in the United Kingdom, this extension took place in a polemical context, being associated with claims that the proliferation of such authorities was undesirable and should be reversed."

Quangocrats is of course a derived term meaning bureaucrats working in a Qango - for most right-thinking individuals there should be free hunting season on such animals all year.

16 posted on 12/03/2007 2:17:07 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Cymbaline

Hats off, you beat me to it.

:-)


17 posted on 12/03/2007 2:18:07 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: knighthawk; xcamel; Reform Canada

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18 posted on 12/03/2007 2:18:42 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Snardius

They can suffer along with me.


19 posted on 12/03/2007 2:25:19 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Cicero

Quango is an acronym for “Quasi National Government Organisation”.

Examples of such in Britain would be the Regional Elecricity Boards, or The Milk Marketing Board, or Regional River Authorities.

They were set up by Government edit and are regulated but are not part of the Government structure but do have some limited power devolved to them.


20 posted on 12/03/2007 2:33:16 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Beowulf; Defendingliberty

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21 posted on 12/03/2007 3:41:51 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Wil H

Thanks. Learn something new every day.


22 posted on 12/03/2007 3:43:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Shoulda made them hold the conference in Cleveland!

Whatever did Cleveland do to you!?! / sarc

23 posted on 12/03/2007 5:33:22 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: knighthawk
Liberalism is about feeling good and showing's one good intentions, e.g one's progressive credentials. Finding real world solutions to problems get short shrift. So it is at Bali which is swallowed up by mountains of paperwork and photo ops with few concrete achievements to deal with the issue at hand - global warming.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

24 posted on 12/03/2007 5:37:37 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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25 posted on 12/03/2007 5:53:56 PM PST by Reform Canada (Kyoto=>More Unemployment=>More Poverty=>More Homeless=>More Crime=>More Rape & Murder)
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To: sionnsar

“Whatever did Cleveland do to you!?! / sarc”
I live right outside Cleveland! Denny is my guy!?sarc


26 posted on 12/03/2007 6:20:24 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: sionnsar

“Whatever did Cleveland do to you!?! / sarc”
I live right outside Cleveland! Denny is my guy!?sarc


27 posted on 12/03/2007 6:20:26 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Cicero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango

The acronyms Qango and Quango, variously spelt out as QUAsi Non-Governmental Organisation, QUasi-Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisation, and QUasi-Autonomous National Government Organisation, have been used, notably in the United Kingdom, but also in Australia, Ireland and other countries, to describe a range of organisations to which governments have devolved power. Confusion over the meaning of the acronym has been reflected in confusion over the use of the term, and may have contributed to its decline in use.

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28 posted on 12/03/2007 6:53:47 PM PST by Peelod (I do renounce Hillary! and all her pomps and works.)
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To: Reform Canada; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
a jamboree that will produce more than 100,000 tons of CO2 emissions... To discuss how to reduce CO2 emissions... the Bali meeting is not really about doing anything. It is about feeling smug; and getting paid for it.
Thanks Reform Canada.
29 posted on 12/03/2007 8:52:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cicero; knighthawk
The root is QUANGO.

Quangos are quasi-autonomous national government organisations.

30 posted on 12/05/2007 1:41:01 PM PST by Clive
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To: SunkenCiv
"Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age." --Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D.  (Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

31 posted on 12/05/2007 2:10:36 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Snardius
Shoulda made them hold the conference in Cleveland!

In January... with the thermostat set at 55.

32 posted on 12/05/2007 2:15:17 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: knighthawk

They bought carbon indulgences from algore.


33 posted on 12/05/2007 2:19:45 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks SB.

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35 posted on 12/05/2007 10:15:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, December 5, 2007 _________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Wil H
They were set up by Government edit and are regulated but are not part of the Government structure but do have some limited power devolved to them.

Like the EPA, or the IRS?

Maybe not the IRS....(no LIMITED power)

36 posted on 12/05/2007 10:49:59 PM PST by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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