Posted on 11/29/2007 6:34:28 PM PST by JSDude1
LAKE FOREST, Calif. – Within days of introducing a $50 billion plan to combat AIDS, Sen. Hillary Clinton received a standing ovation at one of the nation's most influential evangelical churches after addressing its "Global Summit on AIDS and the Church." If the Democratic presidential frontrunner's aim was to make inroads into the electorate's heavily Republican evangelical community, her appearance at Saddleback Church with pastor and "The Purpose Driven Life" author Rick Warren apparently didn't hurt.
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If Anyone calls this guy a "Fool" you're a Conservative!..
Rick Warren’s church......what a shocker. This guy gets more press, as if he speaks for evangelical Christians.
If anyone calls this church 'evangelical', they're deceived.
I think Warren has lost his mind.
But the congregation gave her a standing ovation - what?
Why was anyone even there, unless they were all dems.
On the subject of religion..... What do Billy Graham and the Carolina Panthers have in common?
They can both get 73000 people to stand up and shout “Jesus Christ.”
I am very suspicious of just exactly how wide a stance Rick Warren takes in rest room stalls.
I expect that with 12 months to go, Hildabeast will have promised 100% of all income will be taken by the Gubmint to fund all the promised benefits to every special interest group she panders to.....
We all may have to develop additional incomes to pay our taxes in full for her....."for the common good".
When I think of “Mega” churches, this is what comes to mind. Many churches actually feed a spirit of greed. Not good.
Luke 12
15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
"What Saddleback is doing is helping raise her profile as a legitimate presidential candidate in the eyes of evangelical Christians and I think that is a huge error," Wildmon told Reuters.
My sentiments precisely.
I’ve long been wary of him, now my fears have been proven. I’m sorry I ever bought any of his books. Just goes to show you that even someone considered better than the rest of us can become a tool of the Devil! (Particularly, a She-Devil!)
“I think Warren has lost his mind.”
No, he invented a religion just like L. Ron Hubbard and is now getting his due (lottsa money).
Does this guy ever have Republican candidates speak at his church?
I’m an evangelical and Rick Warren isn’t an evangelical, has never been one.
Rick Warren is a HUCKSTER.
And so is Hillary.
“Hillary!”
LOL!
Not a good analogy since one is “used in the wrong way”, though I know it was only a joke ;), and I feel bad for you and the Carolina P’s though!
I am former carolinian (N. Carolinian, though now I currently live in SC) my fav team is Indianapolis since I lived in IN for 8yrs or so..!!!!
One reason I tossed his book into the trash can. Unfortunately I learned the truth too late and he got my money...sigh! The good part about all this is GOD WILL HAVE THE LAST SAY SO!
If she was a true conservative the "softness" shouldn't enter in.
Vote on the platform, not the personality and/or charisma of the candidate, Dummy Christians!
Rick Warren is a quack. Many Freepers have been taken in by him in the past. Maybe now the blinders have fallen from their eyes.
He invited all of the candidates. Everyone but Hillary sent video responses.
See a related thread “Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness”:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930931/posts
He, among others, signed an ad that ran in the NYT 11/18, stating “we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.”
Ad:
http://www.acommonword.com/lib/downloads/fullpageadbold18.pdf
I as well, especially as he visited my alma mater the Late Dr. Falwell’s Liberty University several times while I was there..!!
Not funny. Or did you just mean it to put down the Lord?
LOL... that's quick!
IMO... setting aside any political preferences or views, Rick Warren is a pastor of a Christian Church. It is his duty as any other pastor or any other Christian to welcome individuals to their house of worship. I'm very sure that lots of sane minded folks in the congregation will not vote of Hillary Clinton, even if Rick endorses her which I don't think he's insane enough to do that.
There might be some "weird stuff" about Rick's political opinions lately that does not represent most of Christian Conservative's views but as far as his contribution to spreading the Good News is concern, I'm still thankful to God about the man.
Nonsense. It is not every pastor's duty to invite any speaker.
You want people speaking from the front of the church who promote true christianity. The congregation can get garbage from TV all day long. It's the pastor's duty to see that they get christian messages in church. Her Heinous does NOT preach a christian message.
If you are a preacher, all you have to do to get good press is to equate government assistance with charity, which is a perversion.
Charity is a blessing given freely, usually to a recipient who has repented of destructive behavior. By contrast, welfare is coercive, funded by money taken by force. Its object is driven by covetousness, to use other people's property supposedly to do "good works." In reality, welfare inculcates a system that justifies more money by failure and asks nothing in the way of repentance from its customers is an evil.
Covetousness is born of the presumption that G-d will not provide. It becomes a way of acquiring property by collective claim. It justifies construction of institutions capable of enslaving us.
Rick Warren is thus an agent of sin of the highest degree, an abettor of evil.
Warren is a scumbag
Amen!
The Church of the False Prophet
Say, where are all those purpose-driven fools to step up and defend Rick Warren and by extension, his ‘warm welcome’ to Hiliarly?
Hellooooo?
[crickets chirping]
Incoming!
You want people speaking from the front of the church who promote true christianity.
You're right. I don't know what's up with Rick's mind but certainly Hillary's speech is not the main part of the service... :-) Neither her speech is against Christianity. And I think Rick will never decide on it without informing the Church Leadership Council, if they have.
That experience for Hillary could give her some ideas of what a Christian congregation is and how they deal with folks like her.
As far as the Truth about Christianity is concern, i'm very sure the congregation knows that. They will discern what is not right. Surely some in the congregation must have been surprised by Rick's decision but the problem is they can't do anything about it. Now that it happened the congregation will flood the church council with question about why this thing happened.
Rick Warren supports the murder of 30 million innocent Americans.
One down...
Don't worry I'm not Rick's fan, neither a member. I don't even like his Syrian visit.
Doesn't matter. It's a pastor's duty to safeguard his congregation's minds from junk messages and instead promote biblical ones. That means no inviting evil speakers to ANY meeting, of which the Witch is one.
the congregation will flood the church council with question about why this thing happened.
Really? From what I heard she got a standing ovation. Seems like the majority of the congregation is following their Pastor right off the cliff.
Shame on Warren and any of the council who are allowing in speakers like Obama and Hitlery
And by the way, I don't like Warren's messages either. They are off-center.
ALL her speeches are against Christianity.
Rick Warren is a poser. The fact he’s such a media darling should give pause to any Christian who takes God’s Word seriously.
Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. (James 4:4)
Listen, let get something straight — this is a woman who supports teaching little children about homosexuality and lesbianism in grammar school! And she has been invited to stand before a Christian church and speak — and she’s given a standing ovation!!! Do you fully understand the significance of that???
The wolves are casting aside their sheep’s clothing. Whatever this man is teaching, it isn't Christianity. As Paul would say, let him be accursed.
It is time to open your eyes.
I can’t understand how any Christian can support the democrat platform. Yuck!
let’s not confuse real christianity with american civil religion...
I'm more into how we Christians could show them what we are when we gather. But if it goes beyond that, especially supporting a wicked political and moral stance, it's beyond borders.
If Rick's leadership or the Saddleback Church did go beyond that border, then pity on them. But it's too early for me to judge... and would prefer not to. They won't gonna like the consequences if beyond Christianity is indeed their purpose.
I don't easily believe on any type of preacher... I always refer to the Bible before agreeing with him/her.
Ezekiel 34
1And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, even to the shepherds, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Woe unto the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the sheep? 3Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill the fatlings; but ye feed not the sheep.
4The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought back that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with rigor have ye ruled over them.
5And they were scattered, because there was no shepherd; and they became food to all the beasts of the field, and were scattered. 6My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my sheep were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and there was none that did search or seek after them.
7Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of Jehovah: 8As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, surely forasmuch as my sheep became a prey, and my sheep became food to all the beasts of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my sheep, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my sheep; 9therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of Jehovah:
10Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my sheep at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the sheep; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; and I will deliver my sheep from their mouth, that they may not be food for them.
11For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out. 12As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the watercourses, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14I will feed them with good pasture; and upon the mountains of the height of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie down in a good fold; and on fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
15I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord Jehovah. 16I will seek that which was lost, and will bring back that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice.
17And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, the rams and the he-goats. 18Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have fed upon the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture? and to have drunk of the clear waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19And as for my sheep, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet, and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. 20Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. 21Because ye thrust with side and with shoulder, and push all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
23And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24And I, Jehovah, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Jehovah, have spoken it.
25And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause evil beasts to cease out of the land; and they shall dwell securely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in its season; there shall be showers of blessing.
27And the tree of the field shall yield its fruit, and the earth shall yield its increase, and they shall be secure in their land; and they shall know that I am Jehovah, when I have broken the bars of their yoke, and have delivered them out of the hand of those that made bondmen of them. 28And they shall no more be a prey to the nations, neither shall the beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell securely, and none shall make them afraid.
29And I will raise up unto them a plantation for renown, and they shall be no more consumed with famine in the land, neither bear the shame of the nations any more. 30And they shall know that I, Jehovah, their God am with them, and that they, the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord Jehovah. 31And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord Jehovah.
It is open.
God's judgement is on them if they indeed went that way.
This would be done by booing and hissing her; that would be most redemptive for all concerned.
True christians don't put up with evil messages, not for a second.
It's not like I'm a fan of his mushy brand...BUT--
Let me point out something here--the liberals are not ashamed of evangelical Christian voters.
Repeat--they're not ashamed of having some evangelical Christian votes...
Who IS ashamed of having evangelical support? Neocons, maybe? Elite urban country club Republicans? Cristie Todd Whitman? Rudy supporters?
I've listened to so many libertarians here on FR dump on evangelical voters. Don't bring your religious beliefs to the political table. It makes me uncomfortable. Be like my secular liberal friends.
Who's NOT uncomfortable? Hillary looks comfortable.
Warren is no supporter of Israel. I don't think anyone can see how much a loser in this is Israel.
Great reasoning and logic.
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