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Researchers examine Einstein's theories on the universe (He was right even when he was wrong!)
www.physorg.com ^ | 11/26/2007 | Texas A&M University

Posted on 11/28/2007 7:02:29 AM PST by Red Badger

Einstein's self-proclaimed "biggest blunder" -- his postulation of a cosmological constant (a force that opposes gravity and keeps the universe from collapsing) -- may not be such a blunder after all, according to the research of an international team of scientists that includes two Texas A&M University researchers.

The team is working on a project called ESSENCE that studies supernovae (exploding stars) to figure out if dark energy – the accelerating force of the universe – is consistent with Einstein’s cosmological constant.

Texas A&M researchers Nicholas Suntzeff and Kevin Krisciunas are part of the project, which began in October of 2002 and is scheduled to end next month after achieving its goal of discovering and studying 200 supernovae. The team uses a 4-meter diameter telescope in Chile during the observing season of October to December to find the supernovae.

In 1917, Einstein was working on his Theory of General Relativity and was trying to come up with an equation that describes a static universe – one that stands still and does not collapse under the force of gravity in a big crunch. In order to keep the universe static in his theory, Einstein introduced a cosmological constant – a force that opposes the force of gravity.

Then, 12 years later, Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe is not static – it is actually expanding. So Einstein scrapped his idea of a cosmological constant and dismissed it as his biggest blunder.

In 1998, however, two teams of scientists, one of which Texas A&M researcher Suntzeff co-founded, discovered that the universe is not only expanding, but its expansion is actually accelerating – going faster and faster.

“So there had to be some other force that had overcome the force of gravity and is driving the universe into an exponential acceleration,” Suntzeff said. This opposing force is what scientists now call dark energy, and it is believed to constitute roughly 74 percent of the universe. The other constituents of the universe are dark matter, which composes about 22 percent of the universe, and ordinary matter, which is about 4 percent.

“Eighty years later, it turns out that Einstein may have been right [about a cosmological constant],” Krisciunas said. “So he was smarter than he gave himself credit for.”

The type of supernovae that the ESSENCE team studies all give off the same amount of energy and have essentially the same peak brightness. Researchers can compare the observed brightness of a supernova that they see in the sky to its known actual brightness to figure out how far away the supernova is.

Researchers also look at what is called the redshift of the supernova, which tells them how fast the universe is expanding. When scientists compare the distance of the supernova to its redshift, they can measure the acceleration of the expansion of the universe. This acceleration is caused by the force scientists call dark energy.

The ESSENCE team can then use the value of the acceleration to figure out the density of dark energy, which they then use to calculate what is called the w-parameter. For Einstein’s cosmological constant to be correct, the w-parameter must equal -1, and so far, the results of the ESSENCE project seem to confirm that it is indeed very close to -1.

“The magic value is -1 exactly,” Krisciunas said. “If the number turns out to be precisely -1, then this dark energy is a relatively simple thing – it is Einstein’s cosmological constant.” The team won’t have the final results until later next year, but right now, the measurement is coming in at -1 plus or minus 10 percent error, Suntzeff said, so the initial data seems to point to Einstein being correct.

“We can never test [dark energy] in the laboratory, so astronomers have to measure it [through observational data], and one of the ways we’re measuring it is with supernovae in the ESSENCE project,” Suntzeff said. “Dark energy is completely unexplained by conventional physics. Perhaps this is a manifestation of the 5th dimension from string theory. Or maybe it is a new vacuum energy density that is changing slowly in time. We have no idea, and that is what excites both physicists and astronomers.”

Source: Texas A&M University


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: cosmology; darkmatter; energy; relativity
Dark energy, dark matter....what's next? Dark Space?.........
1 posted on 11/28/2007 7:02:30 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

“Dark energy is completely unexplained by conventional physics.”

well wake me up when they do because I thought this was what the article would be about


2 posted on 11/28/2007 7:07:43 AM PST by ari-freedom (I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
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To: Red Badger

So those Freepers who understand membrane theory, please comment.

If we assume that our visable universe was created by contact between two “branes”, would it be possible that the universe, in response to that contact, is still flexing away from that contact?
Wouldn’t that be a possible explanation for the acceleration of the universe?
Wouldn’t the appearance inside the “brane” be that all points were expanding away from each other as the fabric of the “brane” stretches out?

Or am I out in left field with my mental picture?


3 posted on 11/28/2007 7:11:09 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Red Badger

The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe.
We are like a little child entering a huge library.
The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues.
The child knows that someone must have written these books.
It does not know who or how.
It does not understand the languages in which they are written.
But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books
- a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.

Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)


4 posted on 11/28/2007 7:16:15 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney voters send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: ari-freedom

“Dark energy is completely unexplained by conventional physics.”

Translation: We need more research $$$$$$$.............


5 posted on 11/28/2007 7:17:32 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: taxcontrol

The universe is held together with “Dark Glue”.............


6 posted on 11/28/2007 7:18:38 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

“He was right even when he was wrong” Sounds like John Kerry commenting on Albert Einstein


7 posted on 11/28/2007 7:21:10 AM PST by Fire137 (If this is not a war I don't know what one is)
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To: taxcontrol

That is the best way for me to visualize. However, the scale is mind blowing and the “energy” involved is unbelievable...


8 posted on 11/28/2007 7:22:41 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: Red Badger

Great. Some idiot went and observed the universe, and now it done blowed up.


9 posted on 11/28/2007 7:24:00 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I think it would be an interesting study to see if the rate of acceleration is different at different points of the universe. If that condition is true, might it then be possible to map the acceleration rates with the hope of pointing back to the starting location of the “brane” contact? Wouldn’t that be the place where acceleration was the fastest?
10 posted on 11/28/2007 7:26:51 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Red Badger

I’m still trying to figure out how dark chocolate is connected to all of this.


11 posted on 11/28/2007 7:27:07 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: taxcontrol

I read a story about two years ago or so where some researchers are saying that based upon red shift the expansion is different in the further out from us places in the universe. If I get time today I will look for it.


12 posted on 11/28/2007 7:32:03 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: agere_contra

DON’T LOOK ETHEL!!!!!!!.....BUT IT WAS TOO LATE!.....SHE”D ALREADY BEEN MOOOOONED!.............


13 posted on 11/28/2007 7:40:32 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger
Dark energy, dark matter....what's next? Dark Space?.........

Dark light.

14 posted on 11/28/2007 7:49:03 AM PST by OSHA (Liberals will lick the boot on their necks if they think the other boot is on yours and mine.)
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To: OSHA

I prefer Dark Beer.............


15 posted on 11/28/2007 7:49:50 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger
Einstein wanted to believe in an elegant, STATIC universe and pursued the idea of a cosmological constant solely to prove that STATIC elegance - but the dark energy we theorize to exist appears to be blowing the universe apart at an ever-increasing rate so........

Exactly how was Einstein correct in this regard.....?

16 posted on 11/28/2007 7:50:07 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car......with guns.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

He was wrong about the static universe, but maybe right about an anti-gravity force...............


17 posted on 11/28/2007 7:51:41 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: reagan_fanatic

it’s an ingredient for a fudge factor!


18 posted on 11/28/2007 7:55:35 AM PST by ari-freedom (I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
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To: Red Badger


19 posted on 11/28/2007 7:57:27 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe.

I don't understand why they just don't ask Al Gore to explain the universe. He knows everything about everything else.

20 posted on 11/28/2007 7:58:39 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Red Badger
“We can never test [dark energy] in the laboratory..."

In An Introduction to the Study of Experimental Medicine" Claude Bernard said that some studies could never be experimental. He gave astronomy as an example. Never say never, Nick.

21 posted on 11/28/2007 8:00:51 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: CharacterCounts
I don't understand why they just don't ask Al Gore to explain the universe. He knows everything about everything else.

Thermal energy from the Earth is making the universe expand! If Bush had only signed Kyoto!

22 posted on 11/28/2007 8:02:57 AM PST by OSHA (Liberals will lick the boot on their necks if they think the other boot is on yours and mine.)
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To: Red Badger
Yes but, that's been known since dark energy was first theorized to exist:  Einstein was mostly wrong but partially correct.

This is the first article I've seen where he's "mostly correct buy partially wrong."

We know there appears to be a type of "anti-gravity" but it's doing the exact opposite of Einstein wanted his theory to do.

It's like praising Hoyle for being completely wrong about the nature of the Universe's beginning but nailing the production of heavy elements in stars (which was actually a great observation but still, he was 80% wrong).

I'm not really disputing the article so much as I find its tone a little ridiculous:  I think these researchers are trying to make a name for themselves by invoking Einstein.

23 posted on 11/28/2007 8:07:46 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car......with guns.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe."

It never ceases to astonish me when I realize that someone is convinced that the world that we can sense is all that there is.

We are much closer, in understanding reality, i.e. absolute truth, to a fly with its compound eyes, than we are to Whatever can understand it.

Countless times I have said to my wife, "But surely, on some level, they realize that..." To which she replies: "No. They really believe that what they are saying is true." And this is hard for me to grasp.

Truth--reality--is infinitely multilayered--in our flimsy ability to comprehend it, and the layers are part of a spectrum.

The Hindus, Buddahists, and Taoists are absolutely right in their contention that ultimate truth is so far beyond human comprehension that no concept or word can describe it.

In my best comprehension, God is the ultimate and only Truth. He cannot be explained or adequately described. And the greatest Truth is God Is. And that is infinitely more inadequate than the phrase The Big Bang is to describe or explain the initial explosion.

24 posted on 11/28/2007 8:14:44 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Red Badger

Dark dark.


25 posted on 11/28/2007 8:14:58 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

You can’t see Dark dark...............Unless you get millions of $$$ in grant money.........


26 posted on 11/28/2007 8:17:18 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

Dark Democrats.


27 posted on 11/28/2007 8:19:21 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: taxcontrol
Wouldn’t the appearance inside the “brane” be that all points were expanding away from each other as the fabric of the “brane” stretches out?

That must be why my old pants don't fit any more...

28 posted on 11/28/2007 8:19:44 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Cacique

LBJ discovered them in the 1960’s..........


29 posted on 11/28/2007 8:22:21 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

30 posted on 11/28/2007 8:30:35 AM PST by kitchen (Any day without a fair tax thread is a good day.)
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To: kitchen

All this postulating on dark matter and energy makes me sleepy and my “glial cealls” cannot handle the expansion of the universe as all I see is the entropy “moonbats” call “evolution.” Partially right, partially wrong? Hmmm this wouldn’t fly in my old physics classes. Maybe it’s just all the cows farting as Al( Einstein) Gore says.


31 posted on 11/28/2007 8:38:57 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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