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Biofuel and diet sow seeds of farm crunch [Malthus was right?]
Telegraph (UK) ^ | November 26, 2007 | By Ambrose Evans- Pritchard

Posted on 11/26/2007 10:38:30 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin

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To: alloysteel

There are already several waste burners around the country. Ames, Iowa uses garbage to generate electricity. This unit has been on-line since about 1980 or so. I don’t have a problem with other contributions to our energy needs. Corn based ethanol has the added advantage of the high-protein by-products for use in livestock rations.


21 posted on 11/26/2007 1:34:03 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: TexanToTheCore

I was watching Modern Marvels on the History Channel about corn and they stated that the American farmer produces enough corn to supply every human on the planet with around 120 pounds of corn per year.


22 posted on 11/26/2007 2:40:06 PM PST by Swiss
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To: TexanToTheCore
The numbers I have are from 2006 and 2007 from the USDA and it shows approximately 1.1 billion acres available for agriculture.

1.1 billion? Is this counting Death Valley, mountains and the arctic tundra?

23 posted on 11/26/2007 2:46:27 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
In much of the world, agricultal use remains very ineffecient, in part due to government policies. We could produce a lot more food.
Biofuels are a bad a idea. Electric or hydrogen cars and increased nuclear power are the future. Unfortunately, energy policy is one place where uninformed voters, irresponsible media, and stupid lying politicians can create a nightmare.
24 posted on 11/26/2007 4:19:37 PM PST by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: steel_resolve

We consume more oil than they do oil.


25 posted on 11/26/2007 4:39:40 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Neoliberalnot; alloysteel

Indeed, the feed part of the ethanol plant is a big profit center. You can not run a profit if the feed price is to low.

Guess what, with all the plants going up, there is WAY to much feed on the market. And there are plants closing up and scaling back.


26 posted on 11/26/2007 5:01:28 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: thackney
No, that is arable, and available, farm land.

We have a lot sitting fallow for many reasons. Including a bunch of planet worshiping idiots who keep reducing the amounts of land free.

27 posted on 11/26/2007 5:04:17 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

The entire US is 2.2 billion acres. Only 18% of it is arable land or a little over 400 million acres. That includes the land already in farm use.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html


28 posted on 11/27/2007 6:42:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I noticed that U of Illionis has a 44,000 plant per acre project that should be nearly finished. Could be an interesting yield in raw bushels.


29 posted on 11/27/2007 7:26:12 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: TexanToTheCore

There is a fine line between excessive plant population and optimizing yield. Check out the guy from Missouri raising the 154Bu/acre beans. I don’t think his plant population was excessive, but his attention to his plot certainly was.

Concerning your tag line — Rugby and Bullriding are tough sports, but I suggest you add extreme fighting (aka mixed martial arts) and college wrestling to the list. Extreme fighting is dominated by former college wrestlers. I would hate to wrestle a bull.


30 posted on 11/28/2007 6:26:06 AM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: Neoliberalnot

Pioneer has some plots that have shown a net yield decrease at 36,000 plants per acre and I am wondering if the U of I did something different that may have extended net yield..


31 posted on 11/28/2007 11:16:47 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Is that the guy who has been giving weekly updates on his beans on Growing Point (Pioneer)?

I did not know he was at 154 bushels per acre. Wow.

The fine line of yield versus plant density becomes much finer when you look at the cash yield at various levels of planting (Iowa State University has some interesting insight on this cash fine line). An interesting subject, to say the least.


32 posted on 11/28/2007 2:25:47 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: TexanToTheCore

I don’t know if that is the guy on TV, but I do know the beans are a Pioneer variety.


33 posted on 11/28/2007 2:51:09 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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