Mr Palestine

The Economist print edition ^ | November 22, 2007 edition | The Economist

[F15Eagle]

George Bush is the only man who can bring an independent Palestine closer

GEORGE BUSH is not likely to be remembered by history as the saviour of the Middle East. He botched Iraq, dropped his democratic “freedom agenda” when the Arabs started voting for the wrong people, and has spent most of his two terms more or less ignoring Palestine. On this last front, however, he now has an opportunity for redemption.

If all goes to plan, Mr Bush will preside on November 27th over a peace meeting in Annapolis, Maryland. Expectations of this one-day event are at rock bottom. Nobody foresees much more than some bland speechifying and a photo-opportunity. And yet, if he is bold, Mr Bush has it in his power to turn Annapolis into a significant step towards peace. All he has to do is pluck up the courage to make the right speech. Please come, we promise nothing will happen...

That may sound like a wild claim to make of an event already shrouded in defeatism. This is a party nobody is thrilled to have been asked to. Ehud Olmert is going because an Israeli prime minister cannot leave an invitation from the White House to curl in the in-tray. Mahmoud Abbas is going because after losing the Gaza Strip to Hamas he must show that he is still president of Palestine, if only in the eyes of the great powers. Not even the hosts seem excited. Condoleezza Rice, America's secretary of state, is a genuine if late convert to the idea that America can budge things in Palestine. But the rest of the administration appears to see Annapolis as a way to roll out the customary pieties on Palestine and so make it easier for America to line up its Arab friends against Iran.

[F15Eagle]

[F15Eagle]

ping

[F15Eagle]

fyi

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Source link doesn’t work.

[bill1952]

If all goes to plan, Mr Bush ...

Stopped reading right there. - Its PRESIDENT Bush to you, you jerkoff, and your writings aren’t worth the swill that is wiped off of a bar counter at the end of a long night.

[F15Eagle]

Thanks, I botched it. Admin please fix, thanks.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10177115

[F15Eagle]

Yeah, the article is suitable for fishwrap. It’s just interesting that some out there in the MSM now are painting him as the only person able to architect a new Palestinian “state”.

[DoughtyOne]

(1) GEORGE BUSH is not likely to be remembered by history as the saviour of the Middle East. (2) He botched Iraq, dropped his democratic “freedom agenda” when the Arabs started voting for the wrong people, (3) and has spent most of his two terms more or less ignoring Palestine. (4) On this last front, however, he now has an opportunity for redemption.

So much B.S., so little time...

(1) And neither are the next president and the twenty that follow him.  The Middle-East will remain an enigma until the end of time, as it relates to this old earth.
(2) Iraq is fast becoming a very different place.  Despite the marxist organizations moving the goal posts every ten minutes, the effort in Iraq is paying off.  Peace is becoming more the norm than the exception, and the terrorist groups have been savaged.  The Iraqi general populace is so sick of them, that they would rather develop relations with other Islamic sects than deal with it any longer.  Osama Bin Laden has lost favor with the Iraqi public.  If that doesn't tell the Economist Squint edition staff anything, it shouldn't surprise us.
(3) If the Economist staff will think all the way back to 2000, perhaps they will understand why Bush (seemingly, at least according to them) ignored the Palestinians for the last eight years.  In the real world (evidently not the one the Economist's staff live in), Bush has been pushing Israel on a number of issues.  Still, when the Palestinian leadership was offered about 97.5% of everything they had ever asked for (short of the complete destruction of Israel) in 2000, and they chose to execute operation Intifada instead, who was going to take them seriously again, in the short term?  Evidently the Economist staff...
(4) On this last front he has an opportunity to sell Israel out, or at least demand it do things that are not in it's best interest.  That isn't going to earn the man redemption.

I generally don't go the religious route on matters, but Bush has come off as a Christian.  I accept that.  I believe he is a good man inside (but I sure have disagreed with him on a number of issues), but when it comes to Israel, he doesn't seem to understand the basic dynamic of the region.  Israel will never achieve peace with it's neighbors.  That's simply not going to happen.  Israel will be exposed to utter destruction until the end of this old earth.  Therefore, the idea that it can achieve peace by giving in on matters that will expose it to danger, is nothing if not suicidal.  It will cost the Israeli populace many lives.  Israel will continue to exist.  The only question is, how many of it's citizens is it willing to sacrifice to appease the Arabs and U.S. leaders?

Israel, you need to rebuild that backbone of yours and tell outside concerns to butt out.  Do what is in your best national interest just like every other nation does, and don't be apologetic about it.

[mamelukesabre]

"Do what is in your best national interest just like every other nation does..."

What western nations do that? I want to go there toot sweet.

[DoughtyOne]

You’ve got a good point these days...

[mamelukesabre]

Iceland maybe? But I’m not icelandic. I’m a mongrel amererican of heinz 57 variety and I only know american english.

Japan might be a good candidate, but I’m not japanese and they are fiercely ethnocentric. Maybe I should try to marry a japanese or icelandic woman.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL... let me know how that turns out.

[mamelukesabre]

Sure, I’ll give you all the details.

Just tell me where I can find icelandic or japanese women in rural iowa.

[Cinnamon Girl]

This is satire, right?

[Lurker]

If President Bush were to do what's in our national interest vis a vis Palestine, he'd nuke them tomorrow.

L

[DoughtyOne]

Call the local cultural diversity senter. They’ll know. If you can’t find one, just call the DNC.

[rightwingintelligentsia]

I'm suspicious of anything out of the left-wing Economist.

[mamelukesabre]

serious?

[DoughtyOne]

Not giving you a hard time...

Just giving you the name of a group that keeps very close tabs where people of diversity are located.

And that doesn’t mean those people are all democrats.

[F15Eagle]

Oh how I wish it were ...

[F15Eagle]

Agreed. But what they are saying is that he could “redeem himself” by creating this Pali state, or so it seems. Which sounds very “legacy”-like ...

[F15Eagle]

Kuwait, as I understand it, deported about 300,000 Palestinians many, many years ago.

[mamelukesabre]

Ok, but is this agency willing to divulge info for the purpose of dating a single, pastey-white, republican, iowan, male?

And if so, do they charge for this?

I’ve already got my preferences figured out:

1. japan/iceland/greenland
2. non-mexico latina/canada

[DoughtyOne]

Oh I’m sure they won’t give out names. They may let you know what area people of a given nationality reside, if you explain you would like to meet people from a certain group and learn more about them.

Perhaps looking in a phone book for last names, and checking out the addresses would give you an idea what areas to frequent to meet people of the group you’d like to.

[F15Eagle]

ping in case you missed it

[XeniaSt]

Thanks

I did miss it.

[XeniaSt]

What these World Socialists don't want to remember is that they
created the Palestinian State in 1922 it is called Jordan.

The purpose of this is to remove G-d's Chosen People from YHvH's Land
and fill YHvH's land with the followers of the Evil One.

shalom b'shem Yah'shua

[F15Eagle]

nearing midnight ...

[XeniaSt]

Amen !

The L-rd is coming for His Bride very very soon !

[XeniaSt]

PING

[montag813]

Source link doesn’t work.

Let me save you the trouble...The Economist hates Bush. The Economist hates Israel. The Economist views "peace" and "stability" as giving Arabs whatever they want.

There, now you don't have to read the article.

[Thinkin' Gal]

Israel to go on high terror alert due to Annapolis peace summit

Must be all that peace they are worried about.

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[the invisib1e hand]

This is satire, right?

well, it should be but...it's "journalism."

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I kinda figured by their repeated use of “Palestine” like it’s a legitimate country.

[444Flyer]

Who’s your Daddy?

[444Flyer]

11:59:99

[Salem]

Daniel Pipes at UC Irvine - [Source] "Either the Israeli side gives up and there will be no more Israel" or "The enemies of Israel reluctantly but steadily come to the conclusion that they cannot eliminate Israel and stop fighting." Pipes added, "My conclusion is that the Palestinians must have their will crushed so that they will no longer try to eliminate Israel," in which case "they will tend to their own affairs and leave Israel alone...There is no alternative I wish there were but there is none to have the Palestinians will crushed requires that they go through the bitter crucible of war-of-loss-of-despair..."

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" ... It's time we recognized the nature of the conflict. It's total war and we are all involved. Nobody on our side is exempted because of age, gender, or handicap. The Islamofacists have stolen childhood from the world."—FReeper Retief
"Palestine is the wrong name for their State. It should be called Anarchy."—FReeper sgtbono2002
"Then let's wait and see what the Arabs do after they take Gaza. There's nothing like Arab reality to break up a Jewish fantasy."—FReeper Noachian
A student told his professor he was going to "Palestine" to "fight for freedom, peace and justice,"—Orwellian leftist code words that mean "murder Jews."

[Grunthor]

“GEORGE BUSH is not likely to be remembered by history as the saviour of the Middle East. He botched Iraq, dropped his democratic “freedom agenda” when the Arabs started voting for the wrong people, and has spent most of his two terms more or less ignoring Palestine.”

They forgot that he is busily trying to sell out Israel to the bloodthirsty savages.

[blasater1960]

The Arabs must really have us by the privates for GWB to not only sellout Israel to a terror wanna-be state but sell out the Bible? Sellout the G-d of A,I&J? Wow.

Better be Freeping the WH and Condor Rice's SD.

[M. Espinola]

"an independent Palestine"

It already exists, it's called Jordan.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Thanks for posting the quote by Daniel Pipes. He gets it better than anyone in the current Administration.

[bert]

These guys are lacking in the ability to project.

W has upset their comfortable applecart and they don’t understand the wreck.

W is transforming the Middle East according to a new, totally different model. He is filling in or abandoning the old rut and creating an entirely new path.

[angcat]

You know they have no respect for him. Bill Clinton is still “President Clinton” to the liberal media.

[Turret Gunner A20]

Ping me.

[Turret Gunner A20]

Israel, you need to rebuild that backbone of yours and tell outside concerns to butt out. Do what is in your best national interest just like every other nation does, and don't be apologetic about it.

Everybody hollers for a solution -- and it has been there all along -- see above.

[Turret Gunner A20]

I kinda figured by their repeated use of “Palestine” like it’s a legitimate country.

ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION
By Terence Prittie

The Palestinian Arab Question is of recent origin. There are several reasons for this:

1. There has never, in the whole history of the area known today as Palestine, been a Palestinian Arab state. Palestine, between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean, has been ruled, since the Arab invasion in the seventh century, by Bedouin, Christian Crusaders, Mamelukes, Turks, and finally, from 1919 to 1948, by the British. The area has generally been an outlying province, as during the four and a half centuries of Turkish rule which preceded the British Mandate. Historical Palestine included an area east of the river Jordan, which has been part of the Emirate, and later Kingdom of Jordan, since 1921. It could be argued that this is the only Palestinian Arab "state" which has ever existed

2. Because there has never been any other Palestinian state, there has not until very recently been a well-defined Palestinian national identity. The Palestinians Arabs can hardly be blamed for this; they have been subjected to continual invasion and alien rule. In addition, they were a very small community, probably less than 480,000 in all, up to the time of the British Mandate. Arabs conventionally regarded the area in which they lived as "southern Syria".

3. The principal failure of the Palestinian Arabs to create a well-developed sense of national identity occurred during the period of the British Mandate. The Jewish community established its own institutions and its own instinct for nationhood during this period. The Palestinian Arabs did not, although they roughly doubled in numbers thanks to Jewish immigration and increased material prosperity under British rule

4. The 1947 United Nations Partition Plan gave the Palestinian Arabs a state of their own. Not only did they reject the UN Plan, but after joining in a war waged against Israel by the armies of five outside Arab countries, they made no attempt to set up a state of their own when the fighting ended. The Arabs of the West Bank accepted occupation and annexation by the Kingdom of Jordan, while the Arabs of the Gaza Strip were placed under Egyptian military occupation. Significantly, it is precisely in these areas that it is now proposed to set up a Palestinian "mini-state".

5. Between 1949, when armistice agreements were signed between Israel and her Arab neighbors, and 1967, when the West Bank and the Gaza Strip fell into Israeli hands, neither Jordan nor Egypt made any serious attempt to encourage a Palestinian national identity or to give the Palestinian Arabs even the kernel of a state of their own. Not a word was said about the Palestinian Arabs right of self-determination, save in so far as it concerned the right claimed by Palestinian Arab refugees to return to their old homes.

[i]6. The existing Arab states, equally, have made no serious attempt to set up or sponsor a Palestinian government-in-exile. This could have been done at any time after 1949, and it could have developed a political philosophy and an understanding of governmental aims, methods and institutions.

To sum up, one can say that the Palestinians Arabs showed little ability to evolve a full and normal national consciousness, and the outside Arab world showed singularly little interest in them and no desire to give them the help and advice, which they needed so badly.

This failure of the Arab world to look after "its own" had nothing to do whatever with the Israelis. It was a projection of the previous history of the Palestinians within the Arab world, and of a basic lack of Arab unity.

[Turret Gunner A20]

W is transforming the Middle East according to a new, totally different model. He is filling in or abandoning the old rut and creating an entirely new path.

What is it? I sure wish he'd let us in on it.

[F15Eagle]

Dividing Israel will not result in what you hope for. And if the give away the Golan Heights it will only accelerate the process.

[kabar]

Israel, you need to rebuild that backbone of yours and tell outside concerns to butt out. Do what is in your best national interest just like every other nation does, and don't be apologetic about it.

Israel will do what is best for its own national interests. And we should do the same. Where there are differences, I support what is best for this country no matter who is involved whether it be the UK, Japan, or Israel.