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New Australian PM signals Iraq pullout
Timesonline Via Drudge Report ^ | Nov 24, 2007 | Paul Ham

Posted on 11/24/2007 8:13:19 PM PST by RDTF

AUSTRALIA’S new prime minister Kevin Rudd will mark his arrival on the international stage by announcing the withdrawal of his country’s combat troops from Iraq and signing the Kyoto treaty on climate change.

Rudd, a republican and former diplomat, swept to power as his Labor party stormed to a landslide victory in yesterday’s elections.

Official figures showed Labor had won more than 53% of the vote, compared with just under 47% for the ruling Liberal coalition of John Howard, who had served four terms as prime minister but lost his seat. Computer projections forecast that Labor would secure 86 seats in the 150-seat lower house of parliament.

Rudd, 50, who has been called a “Tone Clone” for his similarities to Tony Blair on policy, told cheering supporters that the electorate had decided to “write a new page in our nation’s history”.

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(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; climatechange; globalwarming; iraq; kyoto; kyototreaty
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1 posted on 11/24/2007 8:13:21 PM PST by RDTF
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To: RDTF

The yutes of Sydney must be happy.


2 posted on 11/24/2007 8:14:23 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: RDTF

I’m sure it will appease the angry Muslims in Australia.

Or, not:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22663795-601,00.html


3 posted on 11/24/2007 8:14:47 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: RDTF

How is 53% to 47% a “landslide victory”?


4 posted on 11/24/2007 8:15:58 PM PST by Williams
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To: Williams

I was just wondering that myself... sure sounds like a ‘mandate’ of some kind. /sarc


5 posted on 11/24/2007 8:17:12 PM PST by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: camerakid400
At the Independent Centre of Research Australia, he runs anger-management programs and has opened a prayer room run by Sheik Mallah

Wonder how that's working for him?

6 posted on 11/24/2007 8:17:14 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: RDTF

Think of the Clintons and their crew taking the reins in ‘92, only even more “in-’yo’-face.”

Peter Garrett, the ex-Midnight Oil rocker is now going to be his Enviro Minister.

Be afraid, be very afraid.


7 posted on 11/24/2007 8:17:23 PM PST by sinanju
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To: RDTF

Not that the Aussie troops aren’t appreciated but how many are in Iraq?


8 posted on 11/24/2007 8:19:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: RDTF

Not being a follower of Australian politics … what, exactly, was the reason for the downfall of the Howard government?


9 posted on 11/24/2007 8:20:38 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: RDTF
Sounds like this guy just might be a worthless punk in the Kusinich mold.
10 posted on 11/24/2007 8:20:58 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: neodad

But the Diggers aren’t.


11 posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:22 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: RDTF

Buy more guns and keep your powder dry...


12 posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:27 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: cripplecreek

About 500, I think. Not signifigant in themselves, bur symbolically important as an indicator of Australian alliance.


13 posted on 11/24/2007 8:26:37 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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I weep for Australia.

After a decade or so of flirting with every PC / liberal idea that the left could think of, they were back on the track to being the small yet great nation of rugged individualists with common sense and courage.

And now they are back to being sheep instead of raising them.


14 posted on 11/24/2007 8:26:54 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: rockrr

that just made me think of Mike and the Mechanics


15 posted on 11/24/2007 8:29:28 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Sounds like we would have been better off if Howard himself had pulled the troops. At least he could have pulled them and said that they were no longer needed in Iraq.


16 posted on 11/24/2007 8:31:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: RDTF

Good luck on that Kyoto thing.


17 posted on 11/24/2007 8:34:31 PM PST by stevem
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To: RDTF

i guess this is news. it’s certainly not a surprise.


18 posted on 11/24/2007 8:37:41 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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Rudd plans to bring home most Australian troops from Iraq and Afghanistan


19 posted on 11/24/2007 8:40:52 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: RDTF
...announcing the withdrawal of his country’s combat troops from Iraq and signing the Kyoto treaty on climate change.

And what about that major Australian export: coal??

HA!

20 posted on 11/24/2007 8:42:58 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: doc1019

For starters, Howard was in power for 11 years, the second longest serving PM in Aussie history. Sure, those 11 years were all-around great for the country but people get worn out with the same leader. He was also criticized for sending troops to Iraq and saying he would retire less than 2 years after this election. People viewed the comment as “arrogant.”

Above all, I think, working Aussies hated the new “Work Choices” labor laws he tried his hardest to put in place. I have no clue what changes were made (I’m not Australian, nor do I live there, just have an interest in the country) and trying to comprehend it on Wikipedia or other sites is next to impossible. He even admitted Work Choices is what hurt him the most.

A great leader and statesman has defintely been lost. I hope he’ll continue somehow or another. Maybe running for office in the US?


21 posted on 11/24/2007 8:44:27 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: stevem

yea I think that might be the real news here


22 posted on 11/24/2007 8:45:29 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

Thank you, your information helps a lot in understanding what happened in their latest election.


23 posted on 11/24/2007 8:47:37 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: RDTF
When Red China submarines start hovering and lurking outside of the port of Sydney and doing practise runs on their shipping , to whom will the Aussie government run?

Rudd is an ostrich, a$$ high in air, head deep in sand.And that a$$ will one day be severly kicked by the strategic needs of his nation.

Will the US help then?

Doubtful. We will be bitterly remembering how only Americaans alone completed the job in Iraq. Rudd is so short sighted, he has collapsed eye balls.

24 posted on 11/24/2007 8:49:03 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

after the Bali bombing the Australians felt a kinship to the US, and it’s surprising to many that they would vote in someone not as tough on terrorism


25 posted on 11/24/2007 8:51:19 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: RDTF
Sad. Very sad for Australia.
26 posted on 11/24/2007 8:51:31 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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To: RDTF
Kevin Rudd needs to travel down Jalan Legian in Kuta Bali and look at that hole. He needs to read those names on the wall. He should realize that pulling his troops out will in no wise make Australians safe. Bullies only pick on weaklings.
27 posted on 11/24/2007 8:52:57 PM PST by Jemian
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To: DTogo

CIA WORLD FACTBOOK, AUSTRALIA:

Exports commodities: Coal, gold, meat, wool, alumina, iron ore, wheat, machinery and transport equipment

Exports partners: Japan 19.6%, China 12.3%, South Korea 7.5%, US 6.2%, India 5.5%, NZ 5.5%, UK 5% (2006)


28 posted on 11/24/2007 9:00:02 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: RDTF
AUSTRALIA’S new prime minister Kevin Rudd will mark his arrival on the international stage by announcing the withdrawal of his country’s combat troops from Iraq...

And, there are a lot of faces smiling in anticipation in Jakarta, Indonesia today...

I fear our friends Down Under are about to get some fresh lessons in the Law of Unintended Consequences...

29 posted on 11/24/2007 9:03:45 PM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: Candor7; RDTF
Rudd is an ostrich, a$$ high in air, head deep in sand.And that a$$ will one day be severely kicked by the strategic needs of his nation.

I like your characterization better than mine... /grin

30 posted on 11/24/2007 9:07:34 PM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: RDTF

I miss Howard and the coalition already.


31 posted on 11/24/2007 9:08:02 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Candor7
Will the US help then?

Of course we will, both because we have a long-standing alliance with the Aussies however wrong-headed any particular government may be; and because Oz is of critical strategic importance in the coming clash over control of the Pacific. We're seeing pretty much the same scenario starting to be played out with the Chinese as happened with the Japanese.

The Japanese Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere (did I remember the name right?) envisioned control of all the resources from Japan south to Oz. China has much the same ambition and is building the blue water fleet to implement it. We won't sit still and let that happen. Neither will Australia when their wake-up call comes.

32 posted on 11/24/2007 9:09:01 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: doc1019

It had nothing to do with Iraq. It was all about Labor relations and laws. An Aussi will have to fill us in on the particulars.


33 posted on 11/24/2007 9:10:38 PM PST by June Cleaver (in here, Ward . . .)
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To: RDTF

At this observation post, we are putting Australia on Dhimmi-Watch. The mob who voted will be getting the government they asked for. May the price not be too high before sanity returns.


34 posted on 11/24/2007 9:11:13 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: June Cleaver

Looking for that Aussi …


35 posted on 11/24/2007 9:12:31 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: RDTF

Kevin Rudd will mark his arrival on the international stage by announcing the withdrawal of his country’s combat troops from Iraq and signing the Kyoto treaty on climate change.

What an honorable thing to do as your first act Mr. Rudd, I pray that you have a short lived reign.


36 posted on 11/24/2007 9:21:02 PM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: RDTF

Wow, Aussies will have their economy in the toilet if they try to comply with Kyoto.

Nice Job!!


37 posted on 11/24/2007 9:40:52 PM PST by King_Corey (A King is Sovereign of his life and not a slave)
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To: RDTF
...it’s surprising to many that they would vote in someone not as tough on terrorism

How is he soft on terrorism? I hadn't followed him, hoping he would lose.

38 posted on 11/24/2007 9:50:34 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

I haven’t followed him either but I’d say pulling out of Iraq before the job is done is one indication


39 posted on 11/24/2007 9:52:52 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: Williams

Its ALWAYS a “Landslide” victory when libs beat conservatives, anbd a “marginal” victory the other way around.

Still, its unsettling to see how stupid 53% of the Austrailian voting public apparently is. But then we have to reserve judgement on our own electorate until 2008.

The problem with unrestrained democracy and government give-aways is that eventually the electorate begins to think that governmnet money grows on trees instead of in their wallets and allow themselves to be seduced by socialist phoneys.


40 posted on 11/24/2007 10:09:16 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: garylmoore

Indeed...Australia holds national elections every 3 years or less so your wish may come true.


41 posted on 11/24/2007 10:39:56 PM PST by xp38
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To: RDTF

Just gross.


42 posted on 11/24/2007 10:52:44 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: ZULU
The problem with unrestrained democracy and government give-aways is that eventually the electorate begins to think that governmnet money grows on trees instead of in their wallets and allow themselves to be seduced by socialist phoneys.

Remember that line attributed to de Tocqueville... "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."

43 posted on 11/25/2007 1:30:13 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: DTogo
And what about that major Australian export: coal??

The people who buy and use the coal are the ones who will be penalized, not Australia.

44 posted on 11/25/2007 1:36:08 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle
>>>sigh<<<

Back to French wines...

45 posted on 11/25/2007 2:38:02 AM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: RDTF

The thing is, Rudd isn’t pulling out of Iraq - at least, he isn’t as long as he doesn’t change his policy once elected.

We have about 1500 troops in theatre. He intends to pull about 500 of them out, leaving 1000 or so in.

He has spun this for the anti-war crowd in Australia to win their votes. I think a lot of them are going to be disappointed, when they find out what he’s actually doing.

And he’s probably going to do it fairly gradually - in actual fact, at about the same speed, the Howard government would have done it. As the situation in Iraq improved, they would have brought these troops home too.

The difference with Rudd is that he’d do it regardless of whether conditions had improved or not. And that is a big difference in theory - but if conditions have improved, it’s not much different in practice.


46 posted on 11/25/2007 3:54:59 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Bernard Marx
The Japanese Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere (did I remember the name right?) envisioned control of all the resources from Japan south to Oz. China has much the same ambition and is building the blue water fleet to implement it. We won't sit still and let that happen. Neither will Australia when their wake-up call comes.

The frustrating thing, as an American, is that twerps like Rudd know this and know that the US won't just surrender its strategic interests in the area by walking away. They get carte blanche to pander to the base-voters in their Leftist coalitions, knowing that Uncle Suger WILL be their to pull their a**es out of the fire if (when?) things get rough.
47 posted on 11/25/2007 4:05:07 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: RDTF

This also probably indicates a new softer attitude about the Muslims and their radical elements that are invading Australia.

Up to now, Australia has been a relatively reliable partner with the US in containing Islamic militant extremism. But now, with no adults in charge any longer, this tendency to surrender to perceived threats shall be greatly enhanced.

Run away from the war. But it will only follow you home.


48 posted on 11/25/2007 4:30:02 AM PST by alloysteel (Ignorance is no handicap for some people in a debate. They just get more shrill.)
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To: ZULU

“and allow themselves to be seduced by socialist phoneys.”

Yep, it’s a threat here as well...lately I’ve been hearing an AMA radio ad about medical insurance that ends with “keep this issue in mind in the voting booth” or something similar. Socialized medicine, what a GREAT idea! :-P

I sure hope Americans take the time to really think about this next election. It’ll be as pivotal as any in the history of the country, IMO.


49 posted on 11/25/2007 5:05:48 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: RDTF
Going to take Australian troops out of Iraq??

Like taking your finger out of a glass of water.

50 posted on 11/25/2007 5:39:10 AM PST by GoldenPup
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