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What Dylan Is Not
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/012/727xwxao.asp?pg=1 ^ | Sean Curnyn

Posted on 11/22/2007 9:17:46 AM PST by ventanax5

Agood deal of hoopla greeted the grizzled rock-musician Neil Young's musical assault on George W. Bush earlier this year. His album Living With War included a hundred-voice choir singing a song entitled "Let's Impeach the President." For those survivors of anti-Vietnam war protests, and their younger would-be imitators, it was a moment for a sharp intake of breath and the tantalizing hope that maybe now, after all, music really could change the world. I mean, everyone has to sit up and take notice of Neil Young, right?

Young's crusading album included another song called "Flags of Free dom," in which he gave a name-check to Bob Dylan, and adapted the melody of Dylan's own somewhat more lyrically complex song "Chimes of Freedom."

He really should have known better. In an interview several months later with Edna Gundersen in USA Today, Dylan was asked about the absence of any song about the current war on his own latest album, Modern Times.

"Didn't Neil Young do that?" he jokes . . . "What's funny about the Neil record, when I heard 'Let's Impeach the President,' I thought it was something old that had been lying around. I said, 'That's crazy, he's doing a song about Clinton?'" With his sly and somewhat wicked response, Dylan had (1) desperately frustrated the considerable number of more obvious Dylan fans who have been waiting on the edge of a cliff for him to say or sing something--anything!--against President Bush and the Iraq war and (2) told Neil Young none-too-subtly that he found his recent ultrapolitical songwriting essentially pointless.

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1 posted on 11/22/2007 9:17:47 AM PST by ventanax5
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To: scott says

Ping.


2 posted on 11/22/2007 9:19:34 AM PST by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: ventanax5
I would be a huge fan of Bob Dylan regardless of what his political beliefs are. His musical output over the past 40-45 years has been phenomenal.

So it is an added bonus to see him continually poking sticks in the eyes of those who continue to try to use him as a political tool.

That said, shame on Neil Young.

3 posted on 11/22/2007 9:21:44 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 4 days away from outliving Freddie Mercury)
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To: ventanax5
Dylan's written a few catchy tunes but I'd sooner listen to a box of cats being slowly run over by a truck than listen to that man attempt to "sing"......or whatever he's calling that horrible noise that he makes with his mouth.
4 posted on 11/22/2007 9:22:41 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car......with guns.)
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To: ventanax5

As far as never endorsing a president, Dylan did sing at Clinton’s first inaugural address on the capitol steps.


5 posted on 11/22/2007 9:23:24 AM PST by driftless2
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To: ventanax5
I don't think Dylan is a liberal.

There have been a number of articles written over the years in which a reporter tries to get him to talk about politics. He refuses. There is some evidence from way, way back, before he learned not to be to clear about his political leanings, he was, at best, an amused observer of the antics of the '60's radicals.

The thing that's clear from reading what's been written by people who know him first hand is this: he's a guy who really, really, likes music; specifically, folk songs and storytelling. It's the only thing he's really interested in. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say it's the only thing his interested in talking about to others, or at least, in talking about with strangers such as magazine journalists.

6 posted on 11/22/2007 9:25:01 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: ventanax5

I understood this instinctively as a teenager. Rock ‘n Rollers always sound unbearable when they spout off on politics or other trendy issues of the moment.

Dylan’s songs stay relevant because they never get specific. You can plug “Hard Rain’s a Gonna Fall” into any era.


7 posted on 11/22/2007 9:25:13 AM PST by sinanju
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To: SamAdams76

I agree; except his music when he was in the looney bin. Kind of strange. Neil Young should be ashamed.


8 posted on 11/22/2007 9:25:34 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: ventanax5
Dylan fans who have been waiting on the edge of a cliff for him to say or sing something--anything!--against President Bush and the Iraq war

The last time Dylan wrote anything resembling a "protest" album was 1963. ....before the Vietnam war. By the mid-60s he was a rocker with a (considerable) poetic bent, and he wanted nothing to do with the folkie freaks who tried to make him their own. It's been 44 years and the folkies are still expecting war protest material?...lol. Long past time for them to move on. Dylan is not one of them, and never was.

9 posted on 11/22/2007 9:26:10 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: ventanax5
Other than a notable couple of songs ("Like A Rolling Stone", "Positively 4th St"), I have/had never been much of a Dylan fan, and always just assumed he was a leftist nut-case like most "enlightened" musicians and songwriters.

However, I saw a PBS (I must have been channel-surfing) special on him a couple years ago that featured extensive interview segments.

I found him to be intelligent, engaging, and anything but a liberal wacko.

I recall commenting to my wife, "I don't believe it...I could have a beer with this guy!"

And I don't even like beer.

10 posted on 11/22/2007 9:27:42 AM PST by daler
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To: driftless2
I never saw that as an endorsement, but as a response to an invitation from the President of the United States.
11 posted on 11/22/2007 9:27:59 AM PST by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: ventanax5

If you want to know what kind of person Neil Young is, read up on how he treated Carrie Snodgrass and the handicapped son he had with her and how he dumped them and left them poor and without support.

Neil Yound is a jerk and just another cliched Hollywood Anti American.

What will all these fools do when the Islamofascist/Nazis nuke us?


12 posted on 11/22/2007 9:27:59 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Dylan’s written a few catchy tunes but I’d sooner listen to a box of cats being slowly run over by a truck than listen to that man attempt to “sing”......or whatever he’s calling that horrible noise that he makes with his mouth.”

_______________________________________________________________

Alas, I’m with you on that, his songs are best honored at one remove.

That said, I still can’t think of anyone but him singing “Tangled up in Bleeeewwww.”


13 posted on 11/22/2007 9:28:21 AM PST by sinanju
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Dylan's written a few catchy tunes but I'd sooner listen to a box of cats being slowly run over by a truck than listen to that man attempt to "sing"......or whatever he's calling that horrible noise that he makes with his mouth.

I couldn't agree more.

The ONLY song he's ever done that I almost enjoyed was "The Ballad of Hurricane".

14 posted on 11/22/2007 9:29:35 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Jet noise. The Sound of Freedom. - Go Air Force!)
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To: ventanax5

Well, I heard Mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ole Neil put her down.
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
a southern man don’t need him around anyhow. - Lynyrd Skynyrd

Still rings true.


15 posted on 11/22/2007 9:30:19 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Steely Tom

Dylan’s just plain cool! And, being a Christian adds icing to the cake!


16 posted on 11/22/2007 9:31:08 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: ventanax5

Dylan is smart enough to be a legendary poet. Dylan is smart enough to be a legendary muscian. Dylan is smart enough not to muddy his legacy with political babblings of any nature. But Neil Young is free to keep on chucking, he has no legacy to think about.


17 posted on 11/22/2007 9:31:22 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: garyhope
What will all these fools do when the Islamofascist/Nazis nuke us?

They'll probably just search for the reasons it's our fault!

18 posted on 11/22/2007 9:32:41 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: garyhope

Hadn’t heard about Snodgrass, but do know he’s not even American.


19 posted on 11/22/2007 9:32:50 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: ventanax5

America’s most gifted songwriter ever.....especially amazing stuff from such a young man at the time. Very sharp commentary without being snotty and self righteous....I guess sorta Kerouac streaming...

He sprouted from the woody folkie freedom rider stuff and it stuck to him....even though he wanted to be another Buddy Holly/Eddie Cochran

He is a real gem of Americana and I still tear up everytime I hear Baby Blue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN25Pp0hrOM&feature=related


20 posted on 11/22/2007 9:33:32 AM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: ventanax5

1. A handsome man.
2. A pretty singer.


21 posted on 11/22/2007 9:34:42 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: Rocko; nuconvert; 185JHP; Dr. Eckleburg; TruthRespecter; fnord; Michael.SF.; pissant; ...

DYLAN PING

22 posted on 11/22/2007 9:35:32 AM PST by scott says
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To: garyhope

You’re right, he’s a dick, I’m from around where he came from. The guy is a nob head from what I’ve heard locally.


23 posted on 11/22/2007 9:35:38 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Rummyfan
They'll probably just search for the reasons it's our fault!

An even more likely response will be the claim that our government actually launched the attack itself in an attempt to drum up support for further military adventurism.

Count on it. You heard it here first.

24 posted on 11/22/2007 9:36:58 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ventanax5

Neil Young - From “Let’s Roll” to “Let’s Troll.” Another Labatt’s, Neil?


25 posted on 11/22/2007 9:37:39 AM PST by sono (Hillary's Campaign Theme Song? Donovan, "Season of The Witch")
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To: freekitty

Neil Young knows no shame. He should’ve been hanged for ruining Crosby Stills and Nash.


26 posted on 11/22/2007 9:38:16 AM PST by steve8714 (The last actor elected POTUS turned out OK.)
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To: wardaddy
A great article that shows Dylan's life and work as a microcosm of the left's ability to ignore facts, rewrite history and their long record of failed attempts to hammer reality to fit with their belief system.

I've always liked Dylan, and his song on the "Gods and Generals" soundtrack is some of his best work in recent years.

27 posted on 11/22/2007 9:38:57 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ventanax5

Don’t follow leaders!


28 posted on 11/22/2007 9:40:21 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: sinanju
You can plug “Hard Rain’s a Gonna Fall” into any era.

As Dylan currently does, rerecording it for the Expo Zaragoza 2008, in support of worldwide safe drinking water. A rare case of Dylan activism:

New version of A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall

29 posted on 11/22/2007 9:41:06 AM PST by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: Steely Tom

I don’t think Dylan is a liberal.


Really? Try listening to “Masters of War” track on the “The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan” album (one of my favorites, despite that song). Then tell me what you think. At a minimum, he doesn’t like defense contractors.

Whatever he is, Dylan is (was) a genius when it comes to lyrics. Baez, whose persona I can’t stand, has done some good stuff too. As much as I hate to admit it, her “Farewell Angelina” album is one of my favorites. Go figure.


30 posted on 11/22/2007 9:41:40 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Biblebelter

Well said. I love Dylan’s music, and it’s refreshing that he doesn’t see the need to muddy his music with politics.

This article makes me want to go buy his newest album...don’t have it yet.


31 posted on 11/22/2007 9:41:44 AM PST by RosieCotton ("Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." -- G.K. Chesterton [NaNo Count 43004/50000])
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To: daler
I post this story every Dylan thread it seems—
Back in the late 60’s some musicians were putting together an Anti Vietnam War Concert and asked Bob to perform—he told them that the War Protesters were “Low life scumbags” and he would NEVER be a part of it.

Most people have this image of Bob as some radical left winger—
not even remotely close to what he is all about.

He is a real cool guy...I met him once and he was real nice.

32 posted on 11/22/2007 9:43:32 AM PST by scott says
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To: wardaddy

Maybe his best songs: (to a 50 year old fart)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgi2DkDbPU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bjqYPH7rAo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvBkbPEoeAI


33 posted on 11/22/2007 9:43:53 AM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: SamAdams76
"That said, shame on Neil Young"

I love Neil Young. I learned a long time ago that you must separate the art from the artist. The art is a gift from God the artist is just another slug like the rest of us.

Neil Young is a great singer/songwriter. He's not particuarly bright when it comes to politics.

and Bob Dylan is unique.

34 posted on 11/22/2007 9:44:03 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Have you ever heard “Make You Feel My Love?”


35 posted on 11/22/2007 9:44:25 AM PST by Chunga (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: garyhope
What will all these fools do when the Islamofascist/Nazis nuke us?

Vaporize first hopefully

36 posted on 11/22/2007 9:45:15 AM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: driftless2

No you are mistaken. He sang at a pre-inaugaral celebration for a new U S President and yes that was Bill Clinton’s first term. But to say that means anything - you would need to be able to show that Dylan declined other offers to appear at a national celebration for a new president of a different party (for that reason alone).
Dylan played for Pope John Paul II at a Eucharistic Celebration in Bologna Italy. Dylan’s participation did not make him a Catholic. When asked about his acceptance of the invitation to perform, Dylan said, “Hey, there’s only one Pope, right?” So, to perform at an event that demonstrates the non violent transfer of power in the mightiest country on Earth is, like playing for a pope, a very unique experience. Sort of like driving an Escalade in a Cadillac commercial!


37 posted on 11/22/2007 9:45:15 AM PST by Tweeker
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To: Joe 6-pack

it’s amazing just scanning youtube at the body of songs I forgot he wrote:

Constant Sorrow

All along the Watchtower

Quinn


38 posted on 11/22/2007 9:46:16 AM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: ventanax5

Whoa...

Could it be that Bob Dylan is...

A CLOSET NEOCON?

Just askin’.


39 posted on 11/22/2007 9:46:57 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: scott says
He is a real cool guy...I met him once and he was real nice.

I'd trade my meeting Springsteen for your meeting Dylan any day. ;')

40 posted on 11/22/2007 9:48:36 AM PST by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: snippy_about_it

Don’t need Springsteen , Stern , Young , Rosie , the Eagles or any other leftest. There all going to look like fools when this thing is over and the Iraqi people are thanking Americans for what we did too help them.


41 posted on 11/22/2007 9:49:40 AM PST by reefdiver (The sheriff of Nottingham collected taxes on behalf of the common good)
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To: garyhope

This is the essence of liberalism. Yes there are some that are decent naive good works fools who really believe they are salvation.

But most are simply transferring their own neurosis on the world and looking to “fix” it rather than themselves which shirks responsibility as you aptly demonstrate about Young.

One sees this over and over with the left.

It’s no coincidence that people with families (or from good loving families) tend to be more conservative. They understand themselves and personal responsibility.


42 posted on 11/22/2007 9:49:41 AM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: DogByte6RER
As he wrote a song defending Israel in “Neighborhood Bully,” you might be closer to the truth than most people realize.
43 posted on 11/22/2007 9:50:16 AM PST by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: steve8714
"He should’ve been hanged for ruining Crosby Stills and Nash."

Amen to that! He definately should have retired after "Cowgirl in the Sand."

44 posted on 11/22/2007 9:52:35 AM PST by VR-21
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To: Psycho_Bunny
"Dylan's written a few catchy tunes but I'd sooner listen to a box of cats being slowly run over by a truck than listen to that man attempt to "sing"......or whatever he's calling that horrible noise that he makes with his mouth. "

Bob deserves to be slammed for his way to often horrendous singing. He also has had some great periods when his singing was very good. I have hundreds of Dylan Live shows on cd and wish I could let people hear him at his best, he can actually be very good-- There have been periods,frankly way too many, when he sucks--big time but also period when he was/is exceptionally good.
45 posted on 11/22/2007 9:52:37 AM PST by scott says
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To: rbg81

He doesn’t like “greedy” profiteers - who only see the profits from conflicts.

There is a show that Dylan did at Eisenhower Hall at West Point. It was Eisenhower’s farewell address to the nation that inspired the lyrics. On bootlegs of the performance you will hear the cadets singing along with Dylan. The song make great points to remind those inpositions of influence and power to weigh their decisions to put others in harms way. A good lesson for all to learn - whether contractors - military leaders or elected officials.


46 posted on 11/22/2007 9:52:59 AM PST by Tweeker
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To: wardaddy
He is a real gem of Americana and I still tear up everytime I hear Baby Blue.

I was never a fan of his or rock and roll when I was younger. However that has all changed the older I've become.

I think the most poignant of all his songs is the one he wrote for Gods and Generals called "Cross the Green Mountain".......

47 posted on 11/22/2007 9:54:35 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: wardaddy

Three great Dylan tunes there, WD. Bob wrote too many great songs to list. Ever heard “Foot of Pride” (’83)? Like an 80s version of “It’s Alright Ma...” A most underrated tune, probably because it didn’t show up on record until his ‘91 “Bootleg Series.”


48 posted on 11/22/2007 9:55:54 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: rbg81
“The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan” album (one of my favorites, despite that song)."

"The other night a funny dream came to me. I dreamt I was walking in world war three."

49 posted on 11/22/2007 9:56:09 AM PST by VR-21
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To: garyhope
If you want to know what kind of person Neil Young is, read up on how he treated Carrie Snodgrass and the handicapped son he had with her and how he dumped them and left them poor and without support.

I didn't know anything about that. So, I took up your suggestion: Mad housewife" Carrie Snodgrass sues rocker Neil Young for support of their handicapped son.

In 1977 Neil married and had another child. After that, according to Carrie, his interest in Zeke and his unofficial family diminished, as did his financial support. Snodgress had been unable to pay her bills. Broken windows had gone unrepaired, and the phone had been turned off. Even the car had been repossessed, preventing her from driving Zeke to his special school 40 miles away. "We were down to $500 a month," she says. "We have two chickens out back and, let me tell you, I was thinking about chicken tacos."

Young doesn't appear to be much of a man.

50 posted on 11/22/2007 9:56:53 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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