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Fred on 2nd Amendment case in the SCOTUS
fred08.com ^ | 11/20/07 | Fred Thompson

Posted on 11/20/2007 1:48:36 PM PST by spacekicker

"The D.C. handgun ban, like all handgun bans is necessarily ineffectual. It takes the guns that would be used for self protection out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, while doing practically nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining guns to use to commit crimes. Even the federal judges in the D.C. case knew about the flourishing black market for guns in our nation’s capital that leaves the criminals armed and the law-abiding defenseless. This is unacceptable.

The Second Amendment does more than guarantee to all Americans an unalienable right to defend one’s self. William Blackstone, the 18th century English legal commentator whose works were well-read and relied on by the Framers of our Constitution, observed that the right to keep and bear firearms arises from “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation.” This view, reflected in the Second Amendment, promotes both self-defense and liberty. It is not surprising then that the generation that had thrown off the yoke of British tyranny less than a decade earlier included the Second Amendment in the Constitution and meant for it to enable the people to protect themselves and their liberties.

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(Excerpt) Read more at fredfile.fred08.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; dc; dc2008; fredthompson; handguns; parker; supremecourt
The rest is reallllly good
1 posted on 11/20/2007 1:48:36 PM PST by spacekicker
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To: spacekicker

Fred is kicking butt and taking names with his position papers recently. Is anybody going to notice?


2 posted on 11/20/2007 1:51:18 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: spacekicker

I am not the biggest fan of Fred...but we must stop that corrupt socialist Huckabee.


3 posted on 11/20/2007 1:51:58 PM PST by Gipper08 (Philippians 3:12-15)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

PING!


4 posted on 11/20/2007 1:53:56 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: spacekicker

Gotta beat back these three yim yams.

5 posted on 11/20/2007 2:00:03 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: spacekicker
FRED IS THE MAN!!!

Fred08 - Contribute Now

6 posted on 11/20/2007 2:07:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: basil

7 posted on 11/20/2007 2:11:26 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: spacekicker
For those who have accused me of "supporting" one candidate or another, this is NOT an endorsement of Fred Thompson. That said, this statement on the Heller case in the SC is REALLY impressive.

1. Thompson was on this subject, like a duck on a Junebug. The Court only announced it would take this case at 10:30 this morning. 2) Thompson got his jurisprudence correct. Justices who follow the Constitution rather than rewriting it, will rule that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. 3) Thompson got his history correct also. This is why the 2nd Amendment was written, and ratified.

I admire fast and able work by staff and candidates, especially on complex issues like constitutional law. This is a prime example of such fine work.

Congressman Billybob

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8 posted on 11/20/2007 2:14:31 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: spacekicker
Wow, first Grotius, and now Blackstone! What other candidate does that?

I doubt Hillary, Edwards, or Obama could, and they all went to law school. Hell, I doubt they could quote anything that wasn't featured in Oprah's book club.
9 posted on 11/20/2007 2:22:30 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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To: spacekicker; All

Comments and opinions on the SCOTUS review of the DC handgun law is currently being solicited. If you wish to comment on the right of DC (and all) citizens to have handguns in their own home, contact: www.nbc4.com


10 posted on 11/20/2007 2:36:59 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gridlock

He has to get what’s in those position papers out to the masses. He has some really worthwhile things to say and people need to hear.


11 posted on 11/20/2007 2:44:58 PM PST by isrul
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To: spacekicker

Even though this isnt a state case (its about DC), Id be curious to know how this goes with his belief in federalism.

Do the BORs apply to the states or not? If you think “The Second Amendment does more than guarantee to all Americans an unalienable right to defend one’s self” then youre not a FREDeralist.


12 posted on 11/20/2007 2:45:45 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: spacekicker

This case will be VERY interesting. I hope CSPAN carries the audio.


13 posted on 11/20/2007 3:23:47 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich" WZ)
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Well said...with a slice of history by Fred.


14 posted on 11/20/2007 4:01:49 PM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: spacekicker

I have yet to hear of the flip side to this argument.

That is, assuming the SCOTUS agrees that the right to bear arms in an individual right, and overturns the D.C. gun control, what next?

For my money, the NRA should flood D.C. with people, training and even a charitable gun distribution project, with the idea of arming and training every single good citizen of D.C. to be conscientious gun owners.

It could be the greatest PR campaign the NRA had ever conducted. It’s purposes would be many fold, but among them,

1) Make D.C. as crime free as possible in short order.
2) Set up neighborhood watch programs and organize people to effectively protect and defend themselves.
3) If possible, create a citizens auxiliary with a direct line to the police department, in a way like the Guardian Angels.
4) Take bus loads of people to the nearest firing ranges and give them professional training in all aspects of firearms.
5) A charitable program to arm the poor and elderly, who are least likely to be able to defend themselves.
6) Put extra emphasis on training children, so that they really understand and respect guns and gun safety. They also need lots of reeducation, because they have been filled with all kinds of lies about what guns are and do.

The end result might be D.C. as one of the safest cities in the US, with armed citizens everywhere, a strong desire to keep it that way, and a future generation that feel the same way.


15 posted on 11/20/2007 4:05:28 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: gridlock
And That is Freds #1 problem. It is NOT positions, it is presentation.

I agree with Fred on almost every thing he writes, but (and no I am not repeating the MSM meme, these are my opinions only) when he speaks he puts many to sleep.

The position paper is fantastic! It encases the argument perfectly, let's just hope it does get out, via the candidate, and doesn't just rest on its laurels on the internet somewhere.

No matter how much we would love to change the American public, they are not gonna go search out positions, they want them spoon fed too them.

16 posted on 11/20/2007 4:09:42 PM PST by codercpc
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To: spacekicker

HOORAY Fred! WOOOHOOO! BTTT!


17 posted on 11/20/2007 4:11:59 PM PST by PGalt (thanks very much for posting, spacekicker)
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To: All

“I’ve always understood the Second Amendment to mean what it says – it guarantees a citizen the right to “keep and bear” firearms”

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No Fred it says the right to “keep and bear” ARMS, not firearms.


18 posted on 11/20/2007 4:13:09 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite

This is part of the plan.The court will rule the 2nd means collective rights not individual.

This is going to be ugly.


19 posted on 11/20/2007 5:01:39 PM PST by TLEIBY308
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To: spacekicker

Anyone who compares this to Rudy’s or Romney’s 2A history should immediately recognize why Fred is the only leading contender we should be considering.


20 posted on 11/20/2007 5:03:29 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

I think NRA gave Hunter and Fred A+. I can’t find a compilation of all candidates, McCain’s rating probably doesn’t look pretty.

Random Googling:

Tancredo gets 97.8


21 posted on 11/20/2007 5:24:08 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite

I like Hunter a lot, but he doesn’t make the “leading contender” cut.


22 posted on 11/20/2007 5:49:04 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: codercpc

“No matter how much we would love to change the American public, they are not gonna go search out positions, they want them spoon fed too them.”

Sadly I think you have nailed it dead on. The public is too busy wanting to be entertained not taught. If it requires thinking, then forget it, it won’t sell.


23 posted on 11/20/2007 7:24:53 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: spacekicker

Lately, it seems Fred has been the first to respond to timely topics such as this. This is a wonderful testament to the man’s commitment to RKBA.


24 posted on 11/20/2007 7:28:58 PM PST by rintense (Thompson/Hunter 2008!)
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To: spacekicker

Lately, it seems Fred has been the first to respond to timely topics such as this. This is a wonderful testament to the man’s commitment to RKBA.


25 posted on 11/20/2007 7:28:59 PM PST by rintense (Thompson/Hunter 2008!)
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To: spacekicker

Yes it was. These position papers will be used at the appropriate time and place...perhaps the next debate on the 28th?

Fred needs to put his attorney hat on and speak from the heart. It is obvious he knows these subjects in debth. I enjoy reading each one. I wonder where the position papers of the RINOS are? I haven’t seen one posted here.


26 posted on 11/20/2007 7:40:59 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN "LAZY " GRANDMA FREEPER, and a LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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To: big'ol_freeper



27 posted on 11/20/2007 7:48:33 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: OmegaMan
Do the BORs apply to the states or not?

Section 1 of the 14th Amendment is generally considered to incorporate the Bill of Rights at the state level.

28 posted on 11/21/2007 4:59:03 AM PST by kevkrom ("Should government be doing this? And if so, then at what level of government?" - FDT)
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To: kevkrom

I was asking that question of Fred Thompson supporters, not for myself. I believe in “incorporation”, I believe that the 14th applies all the BORs to the states (including the 2nd). Its Thompson that supposedly doesnt. He says he’s for federalism, and federalism means the BORs is only suppose to apply to the federal govt.

Incorporation is a liberal interpretation, btw. Its something that neither Scalia or Thomas believes in, and maybe not Alito or Roberts either. So thats another thing, if he or other republicans were going to appoint judges like them (Scalia and Thomas) then they’d be nominating judges that oppose incorporation.


29 posted on 11/21/2007 6:35:36 AM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan
He says he’s for federalism, and federalism means the BORs is only suppose to apply to the federal govt.

Where do you get that idea? Federalism means appropriate levels of government deal with issues appropriate at that level, within the bounds specified by the Constitution, including its amendments -- if it's a state issue, the federal government should not be involved.

30 posted on 11/21/2007 7:02:56 AM PST by kevkrom ("Should government be doing this? And if so, then at what level of government?" - FDT)
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