Fredipedia: The Definitive Fred Thompson Reference
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Posted on 11/15/2007 5:27:29 AM PST by Josh Painter
I've talked to several campaigns and I've talked to NRLC sources...
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Thompson himself, I'm told, persuaded the NRLC in writing, giving himself very little room to later go squishy.
I'm told he made several points that really stood out to them. One of the NRLC guys said they really liked seeing in writing, from Thompson, one point that I have been harping on as well. Thompson apparently made the case that candidates saying they'd appoint originalist judges was not enough. Thompson said the President needed to make sure key executive appointments who could affect abortion policy did, in fact, embrace and believe in the culture of life (I'm told he listed several departments by name). Having said that for a good while, I'm glad to see a candidate make the case. Contrast that with Rudy who says he'd pick the most qualified people. Fred apparently indicated that key Executive Branch appointments need to be pro-life.
I'm also told that Thompson brought up Planned Parenthood's funding under Title X and said, in effect, he would cut it off.
What about Fred's controversial statement on the Human Life Amendment on Meet the Press? I'm told by multiple sources that Fred explicitly said he supported the party platform and would not get rid of that plank, but pointed out that even when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the White House there were not enough votes to pass the HLA and he'd rather spend his four years working to end abortion through means that would be successful, e.g. originalist judicial appointments and pro-life executive appointments and policies...
(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...
It's long past time that taxpayers should be relieved of the burden of being forced to fund pro-abort PP.
Fredipedia: The Definitive Fred Thompson Reference
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Thank you. Finally, a Republican candidate who approaches the issue from a rational and realistic standpoint. Why waste time pushing an HLA that will never be implemented, when you can be doing things which will actually, here and now, roll back abortion and save babies' lives? FDT has shown right there that he is the TRUE pro-life candidate - one who is interested more in stopping abortions than he is in grandstanding.
FYI
Fred bump!
I would like to remind people that many, not all, local United Funds support Planned Parenthood. before donating please check out if yours does.
Of course all these pres candidates tell us they are going to accomplish what the Constitution says belongs to Congress - make laws, change laws. Such promises are pure fantasy but lots of sheeple swallow them. FT cannot do any of the above as president, nor can any other candidate, especially in today’s society.
I’m afraid that any of the ‘electable’ Republicans will hopefully play characters of themselves and just act the conservative in exchange for the support of conservatives. If assurances can be secured, this isn’t disastrous. Too bad we can’t do better though. We need the next Ronald Reagan.
“NOTE: I say “apparently” throughout because while sources were willing to share details, neither NRLC sources nor Thompson sources were willing to release Thompson’s written statement. Not releasing the letters is how all the campaigns and the NRLC operate with these endorsements.”
This article is no more reliable than articles produced from the left that make claims without naming sources or producing letters on which a claim is based.
The left will gain much vigor from this article. It should give the left new rallying cries and much ammunition for their coming debate.
I’ve stopped donating to them years ago because of their support of the Red Cross and cutting off of the Boy Scouts. This info just makes me feel more justified in that.
Only among their most faithful. The average rank-and-file don’t have a problem with cutting funding for Planned Parenthood or appointing pro-life people to cabinet positions. Let em squeal. All it does is turn normal people away from them, which is good.
Not only that, but when it goes back to the states I thnk we will be surprised at how many states outlaw it.
There’s a reason the Dems have been so eager to keep the abortion issue in front of judges rather than average people. Make average voters go into the voting booth and vote directly on moral issues and most of the time they vote the right way. Even liberal Oregon voted 57% against gay marriage.
It is very likely that we could get 2/3 of the states outlawing or severely curtailing abortion. Then, from that basis, the legislators from those states could be pressured to begin the Constitutional amendment process. Those who refused would be at odds with the clearly stated will of the people of their states.
Fred’s method is the perfect back-door way of eventually getting the HLA into the Constitution.
Their most faithful out number the rank and file, therein lies the problem. Even the faithful are lazy unless they are motivated and ths aricle can be blown into something that does rally the lazy faithful.
Fred’s method makes more sense, because it is extremely unlikely that there would be 3/4’s of the states willing to approve any Human Life Amendment.
Without 3/4’s of the states supporting HLA - the amendment goes no where. There are many states that embrace abortion. There are some states that will permit SOME laws to reduce abortion (Partial Birth Abortion bans, etc.) - but won’t go for the full HLA.
Therefore, it becomes a waste of time to focus on that which won’t be - the HLA. Having sound Federal Policy, and having strict constructionist judges appointed (and ratified) is very very important.
Mike
You say FT cannot do any of the above as president, so perhaps you did not comprehend this one:
“Thompson apparently made the case that candidates saying they’d appoint originalist judges was not enough. Thompson said the President needed to make sure key executive appointments who could affect abortion policy did, in fact, embrace and believe in the culture of life (I’m told he listed several departments by name). Having said that for a good while, I’m glad to see a candidate make the case. Contrast that with Rudy who says he’d pick the most qualified people. Fred apparently indicated that key Executive Branch appointments need to be pro-life.”
Executive appointments are things that the President does. Reagan Man has also mentioned that he plans to reinstate one of Reagan’s executive orders, which is also something the President does even in today’s society.
What impresses me about this is that Fred is thinking positively about what he CAN do [your post notwithstanding] instead of dwelling on what he cannot get done [HLA].
If a President does everything that he can think of to do, and Fred is obviously thinking of everything he can do, it will move the pro life cause in the right direction. We will get somewhere faster. This is what makes Fred uniquely qualified to be President. He knows how government works from his time on Governmental Affairs Committee, knows how to make it work better, thinks of things that other people don’t think of.
The other candidates who say they are pro life, they aren’t telling us things like this. They would not know what to do unless someone told them what to do.
I suspect you didn’t even read Josh’s post above, or you would not have said “FT cannot do any of the above”. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt because that particular comment is not true based on the post.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND FRED A THANKSGIVING DAY GIFT!
>>>Planned Parenthood’s funding under Title X
Isn’t this the same Title X that Fred himself co-sponsored?
So, he funded it under Bingamen-Thompson Title X and now he is taking away his own appropriation?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1924826/posts?page=138#138
Emphasis:
2) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There is authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary, to carry out the duties of the Department Office under this subtitle, $4,750,000,000 for the period of fiscal years 2003 through 2011, to remain available through September 30, 2011.
(3) ADDITONAL AMOUNTS.—Amounts authorized to be appropriated under this section shall be in addition to—
(A) amounts made available to carry out the United States Global Change Research Program under the Global Change Research Act of 1990 (15 U.S.C. 2921 et seq.); and
(B) amounts made available under other provisions of law for energy research and development.
That’s not at all what the post is about. The question was about the accuracy of article. Remember, it’s the thing about the left we always challenge.
The author was commenting about a letter that may or may not have been written. And, he didn’t name any of the sources from whom he claimed to have received information about the letter.
I think Fred is too foxy of a politician to have written such a letter. He or one of his staff may have given verbal assurances that the author claims were in a letter but I doubt such a letter was written.
You’re right. The HLA or nothing crowd is going to end up with nothing. Fred’s method is a brilliant way of reducing abortions in the near term and working toward eliminating them altogether in the longer term.
Right now the HLA is a pipe dream. Emphasis on right now. But I’m an incrementalist. Open the debate in each of the 50 states. Let people see ultrasound pictures during their nightly primetime viewing. Tell them EXACTLY what happens during an abortion. Have women who regret having had abortions talk about how it’s ruined their lives. I would donate money to run such ads, and so would millions of my fellow social conservatives. Make people face the reality of what abortion actually is, and most will do the right thing in the voting booth.
It would also be interesting to see if red cities/counties in blue states would impose local laws against abortion as some have with illegal immigration. Any law against abortion is a good law, and overturning Roe v. Wade opens up all kinds of possibilities.
The debate itself has value. Making people go to the polls and put their personal morality on the line has value. Using the results of those referenda to pressure politicians has value. It’s all good.
Yawn...
Yup...
That will work...
Runaway! Runaway!
So what do you suggest, we nominate someone who agrees with them, so we don’t make them angry?
No. What I’m suggesting is that we don’t put any stock in an article that is printed without source attribution. None of us know the purpose of the author in printing the article in the fashion that he did.
However, without sources or a copy of the letter I would suggest that the article be considered a sham that may have been printed to damage Fred Thompson and to assist the left.
I agree with you exactly and would take it a step further. It is my belief that successfully taking practical steps now to roll back abortion where we can will enable additional gains later. Once Roe v. Wade is overturned some States will outlaw (or practically outlaw) abortion. Folks in other States will then look at the States that have acted and ask "Why not us too?" Eventually once most of the States have acted, folks will then know that support for a HLA is there and it will go forward.
LOL!
Here you can take a look at the consistentct Fred has maintained over the YEARS on the topic of abortion.
And, uh....welcome to FR.
Er, no. The Title X we’re talking about here has to do with abortion....
We have had LOTS of n00b mittbots signing up the past few days.
Different Title X
http://opa.osophs.dhhs.gov/titlex/ofp.html
The Title X Family Planning program [“Population Research and Voluntary Family Planning Programs” (Public Law 91-572)], was enacted in 1970 as Title X of the Public Health Service Act. Title X is the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and related preventive health services. The Title X program is designed to provide access to contraceptive services, supplies and information to all who want and need them. By law, priority is given to persons from low- income families.
The Title X Family Planning program is administered within the Office of Public Health and Science, Office of Population Affairs (OPA) by the Office of Family Planning (OFP). In fiscal year 2007, Congress appropriated approximately $283 million for family planning activities supported under Title X. At least 90 percent of the appropriation is used for clinical family planning services as described in the statute and regulations (45 CFR Part 59). Susan B. Moskosky is the Director, OFP.
In fiscal year 2006, 88 Title X grantees provided family planning services to approximately five million women and men through a network of more than 4,400 community-based clinics that include State and local health departments, tribal organizations, hospitals, university health centers, independent clinics, community health centers, faith-based organizations, and other public and private nonprofit agencies. In approximately 75% of U.S. counties, there is at least one clinic that receives Title X funds and provides services as required under the Title X statute.
Over the past 30 years, Title X family planning clinics have played a critical role in ensuring access to a broad range of family planning and related preventive health services for millions of low-income or uninsured individuals and others. In addition to contraceptive services and related counseling, Title X-supported clinics provide a number of related preventive health services such as: patient education and counseling; breast and pelvic examinations; breast and cervical cancer screening according to nationally recognized standards of care; sexually transmitted disease (STD) and Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) prevention education, counseling, testing and referral; and pregnancy diagnosis and counseling. By law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning.
The Title X program also supports three key functions, authorized under the Title X statute aimed at improving the quality of family planning services and assisting clinics with responding to client needs. These functions include: (1) training for family planning clinic personnel through ten regional general training programs and three national training programs that focus on clinical training, enhancing quality family planning services for males, and/or coordination of training activities on the national level; (2) data collection and family planning research aimed at improving the delivery of family planning services; and, (3) information dissemination and community based education and outreach activities. These functions help to ensure that family planning services are evidence-based and of high quality.
The Title X family planning program is intended to assist individuals in determining the number and spacing of their children. This promotes positive birth outcomes and healthy families. The education, counseling, and medical services available in Title X-funded clinic settings assist couples in achieving these goals.
Ohio RTL has put out a notice regarding National RTL's endorsement of Thompson. They pointed out that Ohio RTL does not make endorsements, and they had only one vote out of 55 on the issue of endorsing Thompson, implying (but not actually saying) they voted against endorsing him. The claim of National RTL not being a "Beltway" organization but a grassroots organization is true, but that doesn't mean everyone in the grassroots agrees with it. There may have been many delegates to National RTL who opposed the Thompson endorsement, but they were outvoted.
Fred got the NRTL endorsement?
Yippeeeee!
That’s awesome!
I’ve been out of town for a while, and didn’t know about this.
Thank you for the post and ping!
What about Fred’s controversial statement on the Human Life Amendment on Meet the Press? I’m told by multiple sources that Fred explicitly said he supported the party platform and would not get rid of that plank, but pointed out that even when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the White House there were not enough votes to pass the HLA and he’d rather spend his four years working to end abortion through means that would be successful, e.g. originalist judicial appointments and pro-life executive appointments and policies...
Meet the Press
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/04/video-fred-thompson-on-mtp-says-he-doesnt-support-the-human-life-amendment/?print=1
Bumping your post!
I know from experience in my own state, Oregon, that voters are better able to handle issues such as this.
When the Marriage amendment to the state constitution was on the ballot here, as well as ten other states,
the gay rights folks pumped most of their money into Oregon.
They thought it would be easiest to fail here.
However, I believe it passed by some 57%, or so. Believe you me, Oregon is NOT 57% conservative.
BTW, a universal health care proposal went down to defeat by 80% as well. Sometimes we aren’t too stupid.
Correct. Title X replenished the budgets for DOE which Planned Parenthood is under.
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