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WEB EXTRA / Readers weigh in as wounds of Vietnam are reopened again . . .
The Patriot Ledger ^ | Nov 10, 2007 | Patriot Ledger readers

Posted on 11/12/2007 12:19:04 PM PST by Phil Harmonic

WEB EXTRA / Readers weigh in as wounds of Vietnam are reopened again . . .

I am writing in response to the article published on November 6th about U.S. Senator John Kerry. I find it hard to believe that the issue of Senator Kerry’s service to our country is being brought up yet again by one small group of people with an ax to grind.

- TIMOTHY P. MURRAY, Lt. Governor, Massachusetts

Dear Senator Kerry, it does not matter what dirt you have on them, what you use to prove you right and them wrong, you lost this battle, because to lose the support of your comrades that you served with in Vietnam tells me of serious issues with your leadership and the respect you did not earn at a critical time in your life. That respect is so easy to earn, and so hard to lose but you have done just that.

- ADDISON H. DeBOI, Mobile, Alabama

(Excerpt) Read more at ledger.southofboston.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 180form; aidandcomfort; kerry; liedunderoath; swiftvets; traitor; treason
Sorry I didn't catch this when it published but better late than never.

Mr. Genner's reportage of a Kerry comment several days ago seems to be getting considerable (and growing)attention. Some big guns are starting to appear.

Perhaps the The Patriot Ledger is becoming the focal point of a nascent anti-Kerry campaign for Senate '08.

1 posted on 11/12/2007 12:19:06 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic

Hmmm ... John F Kerry, .. did he serve in Viet Nam?


2 posted on 11/12/2007 12:22:16 PM PST by Ken522
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To: Ken522
Hmmm ... John F Kerry, .. did he serve in Viet Nam?

I think I heard a rumor or something....but I'm not sure.
3 posted on 11/12/2007 12:24:28 PM PST by rottndog (Four decades and counting.....and "middle aged" no where in sight!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
you left out the biggest lie

In 2004, he was forced to defend his service to this country and even released his military records to prove his point. It is clear that Senator Kerry served our country with honor during his time in the Armed Forces and continues to do so now as a U.S. Senator.
- TIMOTHY P. MURRAY, Lt. Governor, Massachusetts
4 posted on 11/12/2007 12:24:37 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: Ken522
Hmmm ... John F Kerry, .. did he serve in Viet Nam?

I don't know, but John F'n Kerry did. ;^)

5 posted on 11/12/2007 12:25:21 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Phil Harmonic

I get hot under the collar when I remember the stink MSM and the demoncRATS made over Bush’s military record. Then when turnabout is fair play and there’s a public outcry to make skerry release his bloody records itemizing how he won (he didn’t earn) his 3 purple hearts it’s like the issue becomes DOA. And we still haven’t learned one bit more on this POS.


6 posted on 11/12/2007 12:25:35 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lilylangtree

John Kerry also called the relatives of MIA’s “arm chair Rambos and malcontents” when he stabbed those left behind in the back in order for his family’s Real Estate company to get a billion dollar contract with the Communist government of Vietnam.


7 posted on 11/12/2007 12:28:37 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: boxerblues
...you left out the biggest lie

Hey, it was just an excerpt! Slicing it and dicing it is the objective.

GOOD catch though ;-)

8 posted on 11/12/2007 12:28:55 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic
And we still haven't seen the real DD-214. Sign the stinkin' Form 180, Kerry, you slimy commie traitor!


9 posted on 11/12/2007 12:30:09 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Phil Harmonic

No one has yet to see the SIGNED SF-180.

Until that form is signed and as a result the FULL-UNREDACTED military records are released including the DD-214 abd the DD-215, Kerry is a posturing, prevaricating, wooden-nickle, poppenjay!

Those are the kindest words I can use about Kerry.


10 posted on 11/12/2007 12:30:25 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Ken522
"Hmmm ... John F Kerry, .. did he serve in Viet Nam?"

Of course he did. There's no question about it, he has tons of pictures and 8mm footage of himself like any good officer would have (/s). The only thing open to question in my view is which side did he serve.

11 posted on 11/12/2007 12:31:38 PM PST by VR-21 (Leftists justify their existance by kicking their own country in the teeth.)
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To: SandRat

and those are way too kind...
I would get banned if I said what I think he is.


12 posted on 11/12/2007 12:34:16 PM PST by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Many Vietnam veterans returned to civilian life with a contempt for government and politics. It took about 40 years for these veterans to become a decisive political force. That force struck like a big fist in 2004.


13 posted on 11/12/2007 12:35:03 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: SandRat
No one has yet to see the SIGNED SF-180.

Let's be accurate here. Kerry DID sign 3 SF 180's releasing his records to a chosen few...ALL of whom might be arguably described as "in the tank" for Kerry.

Even Washington Post noted journalist Michael Dobbs was denied access to those records.

You do the math.

14 posted on 11/12/2007 12:35:34 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: All; ConorMacNessa

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NEVER FORGET

.

No Joke.

JOHN KERRY =

..”JOURNEY from the FALL”.. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

.

NEVER FORGET

.


15 posted on 11/12/2007 12:38:01 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Phil Harmonic
John Effing Kerry, he is a war hero....just ask him....oh yes, he also snuck into Cambodia on super duper cypher ring decoder mission to save the world....

Didn’t he serve in Vietnam? Oh yes as a V.C. commander..

Meadow Muffin

16 posted on 11/12/2007 12:40:09 PM PST by rwgal
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To: rottndog
I heard Kerry was really good at writing reports of how brave and honorable he was in battle. Maybe he is talking about his televised meetings with the NVA in France.

Also heard that Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John are supposed to meet in hell some time soon. Maybe some readers are old enough to remember seeing Hanoi john on TV news in France with the NVA. Also they may remember seeing his report before congress which he now admits to being a lie. Kerry is a real POS.

17 posted on 11/12/2007 12:44:25 PM PST by Tannerone (FEED ALL TERRORIST LIVE AND OTHERWISE TO STARVED HOGS)
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To: Tannerone
Kerry is a real POS.

Understatement of the year!
18 posted on 11/12/2007 12:48:40 PM PST by rottndog (Four decades and counting.....and "middle aged" no where in sight!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Kerry’s secret mission to Cambodia where a “CIA guy” gave him a bush hat. Gullible Washington Post writer fell for the whole fairytale:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A59559-2003May30?language=printer

19 posted on 11/12/2007 12:54:55 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Best part is at end of story:

A close associate hints: There’s a secret compartment in Kerry’s briefcase. He carries the black attache everywhere. Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside. Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

“Who told you?” he demanded as he reached inside. “My friends don’t know about this.”

The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

“My good luck hat,” Kerry said, happy to see it. “Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia.”

Kerry put on the hat, pulling the brim over his forehead. His blue button-down shirt and tie clashed with the camouflage. He pointed his finger and raised his thumb, creating an imaginary gun. He looked silly, yet suddenly his campaign message was clear: Citizen-soldier. Linking patriotism to public service. It wasn’t complex after all; it was Kerry.

He smiled and aimed his finger: “Pow.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A59559-2003May30?language=printer


20 posted on 11/12/2007 1:00:11 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Phil Harmonic
Slicing it and dicing it is the objective

You are talking about slicing and dicing the article right? :)
21 posted on 11/12/2007 1:01:15 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: Brad from Tennessee
“Who told you?” he demanded as he reached inside. “My friends don’t know about this.”

Bravo sierra! The over-under on the number of times his friends have endured that tall tale is 3,000.

22 posted on 11/12/2007 1:06:19 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Phil Harmonic

We were the unwilling, led by the unqualified, doing the unnecessary for the ungrateful. I was there and it still pisses me off that we wasted so many lives for nothing.


23 posted on 11/12/2007 1:08:50 PM PST by Natural Law ("The making of an American begins at the point where he himself rejects all other ties, any other hi)
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To: Phil Harmonic; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1924601/posts


24 posted on 11/12/2007 1:11:51 PM PST by Wuli
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To: boxerblues
You are talking about slicing and dicing the article right? :)

Of course! :-)

...and I just discovered there's even MORE here and here...and another great comment...

Did you or anyone else present think to ask why someone as bright and verbally facile as the senator, and as assiduously self-promoting, who has spent a political lifetime cultivating a dossier of himself as a Vietnam War ‘‘hero,’’ was caught off guard and reduced to mute impotence by a frontal assault by fellow servicemen against what purported to be the strongest feature of his resume?...

Let me suggest an answer...The senator knew deep down that over 150 of his fellow officers and servicemen had the goods on him, and try as he might, he had no credible answer to their charges. Guile stands mute in the face of truth.

- FRANK L. McNAMARA, Jr., Esq., Bolton

25 posted on 11/12/2007 1:12:24 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic

lol it looks like a bunch of freepers have found that message board


26 posted on 11/12/2007 1:17:22 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: Phil Harmonic
Let’s be accurate here. Kerry DID sign 3 SF 180’s releasing his records to a chosen few...ALL of whom might be arguably described as “in the tank” for Kerry.


Didn’t the statement from those that viewed the report say “it contains no new information.” I conclude the swiftvets got it right and we got all the information correctly.
27 posted on 11/12/2007 1:20:18 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: boxerblues
lol it looks like a bunch of freepers have found that message board

Actually considerably more exclusive than a "message board" boxer. It's more like a "Letter's To The Editor" department or "LTTE", traditionally subject to editorial review and selection for publishing.

I don't mind saying I like their "selections" ;-)

28 posted on 11/12/2007 1:34:24 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Natural Law
We were the unwilling, led by the unqualified, doing the unnecessary for the ungrateful. I was there and it still pisses me off that we wasted so many lives for nothing.

I'll tell you what pisses me off. Veterans' Day is a holiday for the State Department, politicos, teachers and some corporate types.

The percentage of veterans in those groups probably doesn't exceed 1.

I am in favor of abolishing the day off for Veterans' Day unless you can produce a DD-214 that says you have an honorable discharge.

29 posted on 11/12/2007 1:37:14 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: boxerblues

Maybe we should all write to Timothy P. Murry, Lt. Governor, Massachusetts, to tell us just what was in John Kerry’s military records (including his discharge) and ask where we might find our OWN copies of everything.


30 posted on 11/12/2007 2:24:30 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: HIDEK6

I’m for giving government employees Veteran’s Day off. But NOT giving them the day AFTER Veteran’s Day off.


31 posted on 11/12/2007 2:25:20 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Ken522

No, Cambodia.

Christmas Day.


32 posted on 11/12/2007 2:27:14 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: rwgal

John F. Kerry is a WAR CRIMINAL. Just ask him.


33 posted on 11/12/2007 2:28:05 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: donnab

as would I if I didn’t use the lanuage I did.


34 posted on 11/12/2007 2:33:54 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Kerry also told his Cambodian myth in a speech on the Senate floor.

[In an Oct. 14, 1979, letter to the editor of the Boston Herald, Kerry wrote: “I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.” (Nixon was not even sworn into office yet.)

[Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, also talked about his experience during a speech on the Senate floor on March 27, 1986.

[”I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia,” Kerry said.]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128561,00.html


35 posted on 11/12/2007 3:40:30 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: HIDEK6

What really, really pisses me off is that I’m working today and the draft dodgers are all home stuffing Hillary fund raiser envelopes.


36 posted on 11/12/2007 3:46:56 PM PST by Natural Law ("The making of an American begins at the point where he himself rejects all other ties, any other hi)
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To: Natural Law

My point exactly.


37 posted on 11/12/2007 9:22:22 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: weegee
Why should government emplyees get any days off. It's not like they are doing anything important.

For that matter, why do they even have jobs?

38 posted on 11/12/2007 9:23:46 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: HIDEK6

There is job protection in government officework to be sure but my point is that it was perfectly possible for the government workers to commemorate Veterans’ Day on Sunday along with the rest of the nation. This was just a slack day for them.

Again I ask, what public memorial was held by government workers today to remember the veterans of our nation’s wars?


39 posted on 11/12/2007 10:02:30 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: weegee
Exactly.

Give the veterans the day off and let the rest of society work for them for a change.

40 posted on 11/13/2007 7:41:17 AM PST by HIDEK6
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