Chinese sub successfully sneeks up on U.S. Navy

Daily Mail ^ | 10th November 2007 | MATTHEW HICKLEY

[Eye of Unk]

[UCFRoadWarrior]

In all honesty...Bush is just as much to blame as the Klintlers.

Bush continues free trade w Commie China...and did nothing when our servicemen were kidnapped by the ChiComs in 2001

Now we have ChiComs buying into US businesses...some w sensitive technology...Bush has done nothing.

Why we didnt blast that ChiCom sub puzzles me...I guess more pandering to the ChiComs

[PreciousLiberty]

‘Moreover, according to FR’s resident naval expert Jeff Head, the ChiCom sub may have been “convinced” to surface during the encounter. If so, then it was probably a 688 attack sub accompanying the Kitty Hawk that scared the ChiComs out of the water.’

A reassuring theory except that a sub should never be allowed to get remotely that close to a carrier. That’s the role of the picket ships, to keep them away. Active sonar pinging from any ship is enough to convince a sub skipper it’s time to leave.

[colonialhk]

Very Johnney Quest

[Regulator]

It so hard to remember, Clinton gave the Chi-coms so much in return for those party favors

And of course, the current occupant of the WH - who has given them MFN status, absolute access to our markets, the keys to the Panama Canal, and sends his Treasury Secretary to Kow-Tow like a fool - is utterly without blame or responsibility, right?

[Roccus]

The fact that Admiral Fallon was made Commander of US Central Command in March of this year, after this supposedly happened, leads me to believe that either this report is false or that there is much more to it than has been published.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/navybio.asp?bioID=109

[jwparkerjr]

Come on guys, think about this for a minute. What better way to find out what methods the enemy is using to approach you than letting him think it’s working and getting the scoop as he ‘sneaks’ up on you? It’s much more to their advantage to feign a red face than scare them away without getting the information they are bound to be giving away by moving in so close when they think are undetected. Investigators use this ruse all the time. The close the sub gets to our forces the more we can learn about them. No matter how hard they try they are emitting all sorts of interesting signals, etc. as they approach. For instance, maybe we want to find out for sure just how close one can get before we hear its super-quiet bearings or pick up on the fact it’s pinging our fleet.

Every sub as its ‘signature’ and one way to detect it farther away is to know exactly what you’re looking for and then figure out how to hear it sooner.

I find it hard to believe that we spend what we do on intelligence and defense and an enemy sub could simply sail up and surface flying a big ‘SURPRISE’ flag.

[clippedwing]

Good thinking!

[wolfcreek]

One Worlders need just that....One World including China.

We continue to elect people of this mindset, we will continue to have these problems.

[RedRover]

What’s Chinese for “peekaboo!”

[jwparkerjr]

Maybe I’m guilty of wishful thinking but I think whatever happened it happened with the full knowledge of our military. The report says the sub surfaced in the middle of the exercise. I read that to be the sub was ‘surrounded’ with each ship in the task force taking and recording its own readings so that later a computer could build a model of the signature that would identify it from any direction.

I could be entirely wrong, but if I am then we’re in a whole lot of trouble!

[mamelukesabre]

SUPPLIES!

[abercrombie_guy_38]

Of course the first reply to the thread is claiming IBTZ. How dare we post these types of stories! I’ve seen it plenty of times, especially from Freepers who casually downplay what happened.

Move along, move along. Nothing to see here. /sarc

[mamelukesabre]

I look at it this way...

Name one thing that we know for certain that the chinese invented all by themselves in the last 200 years...exactly!

Now why should we believe that all of a sudden the chinese have created something that nobody else has and nobody else has the capability to make, match, or surpass?

If the chinese do indeed have this tech, then we have something better.

[mamelukesabre]

What is zot and what is ibtz?

[RedRover]

HARHARHARHAR! That’s my favorite joke (for mixed company)!

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Do we have 'signatures' on this class of submarine?

And if so can we detect them using our passive sonars?

Or do we have to resort to active sonars?

[jwparkerjr]

I really don’t know. I am sure they have a way of identifying individual vessels, or certainly the class of vessal. I suspect they keep the level of what they do know, and what they learn from encounters like this, close to their chest. I have a son-in-law who is an officer at CentCom here in Tampa and although he is VERY close-mouthed about what he does and what they know, I get the feeling it’s a lot more than most people, especially the Dims, really know.

Wish I could be more helpful, but he won’t tell me a thing! My father was a navy hull inspector on the nucelar subs of the 60’s and 70’s. Even their abilities were astounding. The shipyard where he worked built the last conventional sub and four of the first nuclear subs. By today’s standards they are like comparing the Mayflower to the QE II, but for 40 plus years ago they were mighty impressive.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

I agree that the ChiCom sub should have never gotten that close in the first place. Hence, my comment yesterday about the USN studiply dismantling its ASW capabilities in the 1990s.

[gipper81]

Posted on 11/11/2007 5:02:18 AM PST by mreerm

I think people successfully sneaked up on 'mreerm' as a young child.