Personally, I'd rather be waterboarded than have my fingernail removed. And as far as torture goes, having your fingernail removed is pretty mild.
Posted on 11/07/2007 2:42:16 AM PST by Diogenez
An MSNBC staffer was waterboarded on the Dan Abrams Live Show on MSNBC Monday night in order to demonstrate that waterboarding is certainly torture. The waterboarded staffer seemed to be struggling and quite uncomfortable but between pours there were no anguished screams. There has been no further word about the staffer's condition and apparently he has survived.
An invited expert, and ex Navy Seal delivered an opinion that waterboarding seemed like torture, but also revealed that all Navy Seals as well as all elite troops are waterboarded to be forewarned as to what such treatment would be.
Abrams made the point that in the field (terrorist) subjects would much more frightened as they would not be able to prepare mentally for this treatment.
cool.
I believe ‘Steve Harrigan’ of FOX NEWS also went through the waterboarding thing some time back. He didn’t like it much..!
....yeah,yeah,yeah, but next week they wear their underwear on their heads
(^&*$*# idiots)
Did he admit that Dan Rather knew the “forged” documents were phoney from the beginning?
When will someone object to the enemy not just torturing people but beheading them and creating videos of the event as "a good thing" because Allah says it's OK.
If Abrams had any cajones, he would have let himself be waterboarded rather than volunteering his hapless staff member...
If Abrams had any cajones, he would have let himself be waterboarded rather than volunteering his hapless staff member...
no ~ abrams has no cajones...this girly man supports rosie who has big enough ones for both of them!!!
If waterboarding is torture, why have not Dan Abrams, his staff, and the security people at MSNBC been hauled off to jail to await trial? Surely the videotape will provide all the evidence a jury would need to convict these people of conspiring and carrying out torture on this individual.
I think there have been more people waterboarded by the MSM than by our government.
If you count all the people who have watched their programming, which includes all the people in the Control Booth and some bedridden invalids who are unable to change the channel, they have certainly tortured more people...
The media has so bastardized the definiton of torture, I believe most people look at these stunts and just laugh.
This treatment is no worse than watching MSNBC! Let’s hope that the writer’s strike lasts forever.
If it was torture then a crime was committed and someone has to be arrested!
Being in the media is no excuse!
Good call.
I read down the thread to see if anyone had acknowedged the obvious. Water boarding couldn’t be much worse torture than watching a leftist media source.
What about Hillary’s cackle? Would that be sufficient for legal standing?
What about NBCs “GREEN” SCREAM? Am I due compensation for undue exposure to the incipid?
If it’s torture, why don’t they go surrender themselves to the UN, and get the **** out of our lives?
the American people will see that there is discomfort but no blood and they will not care about these bastards who are trying to kill us everyday....the media just doesn’t get it....
No, no, Abrams had the staffer's permission, albeit under duress--on pain of being fired as his likely alternative, or who knows, at least threat of losing promotion and/or pay raises.
We just need to get analogous permission from the terrorists: "Vee kut offf your hants or you be vaterboardet--you chooss!" ...and we show 'em video of Abrams' show and subsequent disucussion. I think 100% would choose the waterboarding, signed and in writing!
HF
Being about the same age of Senator Kennedy and in the interest of science,I volunteer to be waterboarded at the same time as the Senator.
Torture is what they AREN’T willing to undergo!
Say: pounding wood splinters under their fingernails. Or clipping batteries to their genitals. Or crucifixion. Or cutting off fingers and toes one at a time. Or being put on a rack and cranking it up many notches. Or being buried alive in a coffin without knowing whether they were going to be dug out. ... These are torture -—
That the journalist is willing to demonstrate this for people makes it NOT TORTURE!
Shouldn’t the local police arrest someone if this is torture?
Torture: Sitting on top of a 100 story building and having a jet plane smash into the building
I suppose this qualifies as definitive evidence that today’s ‘journalists’ are nothing more than 1960’s influenced radical activists who happen to be employed by the MSM.
exactly, true torture would be tying someone down and forcing them to watch Chris Matthews on a 24-7 loop!
Wonder who will demonstrate the car battery to the testicles? Beheading? Severing of limbs?
Journalists are objective aren’t they?
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More American Soldiers have been waterboarded then actual members of Al Qaeda.
What the proved is that waterboarding is not “torture”.
As for “not being prepared in the field”, that is the objective, and it is what makes it effective.
Of course the libs don’t want anything that’s effective!
Does this mean that the head of MSNBC is to brought up on human rights charges?
Great cartoon!I wonder what Kennedy thinks an unborn baby considers a late term abortion to be.
Did they tazer him while he was being waterboarded?? Now that would be fun to watch.
Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops
The terrorists don’t like it either and they sing like birds.
I saw that on the Today’s toons thread. I’d like to ask him the same about abortion.
This is ABSURD that it would be OK to do this to a staffer on TV, but the lefties don’t think we should be able to do it to a terrorist. Just lunacy.
Waterboarding the jihadists with pigfat instead of water will work.
“Here is real torture. From the Al-Qaeda Torture Manual:”
Exactly. How about a side by side demo of waterboarding and being hung from your wrists with your hands tied behind your back, or electric shocks to the testicles.
“Abrams made the point that in the field (terrorist) subjects would much more frightened as they would not be able to prepare mentally for this treatment.”
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Then perhaps Mr. Abrams would be better served to direct his objections at AQ for sending their ‘holy warriors’ into the field with inadaquate training.
I heard on FOX the other day that all of THREE terrorists have been waterboarded, the most recent in 2003.
You gotta wonder if we are using the technique enough. :-)
Simple solution. Don't become a terrorist.
As a diver I can tell you that the upper brain shuts off when you get a good drowning scare. The lower brain takes over & that means PANIC. This is how trained divers get hurt (bent, lung expansion injuries, etc.). IOW’s you forget everything you learned in your desperate impulse to survive.
It seems to me that waterboarding is a relatively safe way to trigger that panic response. If that gets you information in a fast-moving life-or-death situation then I’m all for it. My 2 cents.
Can we all agree that its torture and just move on to the “who gives a flying f#%&” about it.
I wonder when they’re going to also demonstrate drilling through his skull with an electric drill, ripping out his fingernails, breaking his fingers, burning his face, or beheading his family, like the Islamofascists do?
Why couldn’t it have been Matt Lauer that was waterboarded?
bttt
Will Michael Moore, et.al. make a documentary about this?
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It is my understanding that before anyone is water boarded a decision at the highest level has to be made before it can be administered and each instance is judged on what possible information may be gained through it’s use.
The debate on water boarding ignores it’s effectiveness, it’s relative safety, and the actual statistics on it’s use.
At best as it has been described by journalists that have experienced it, it is no worse then a panic attack.
Remember we can kill members of Al Qaeda, shoot them, stab them, bomb them, even execute them under our laws but some how anything as mild as water boarding is criminal despite the fact that it isn’t torture under our laws or international law.
And you have to wonder who the media is trying to protect,our troops? Al Qaeda makes no such rational judgements of any American they capture, They torture them in the worst way possible and they they cut their heads of or slowly cut them to pieces and mutilate them as they are dying.
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