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Where Do You Stand on America's Wealth Spectrum?
Yahoo ^ | 6 November 2007 | Lee Eisenberg

Posted on 11/06/2007 5:49:23 AM PST by shrinkermd

This article is a compilation of income and wealth statistics by percentile. It is fairly comprehensive.

Among the quotes are:

"...Whenever I slip these tidbits into cocktail party chatter, people are surprised to realize how little money it takes to win a gold star from the Fed. If you and yours are bringing in $40,000 a year, you're doing better than half the households in America.

Or, as a Washington think tank recently pointed out: If you're a teacher married to a policeman, your combined household income puts you in the top 25 percent of all households in the nation.


(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: income; statistics; wealth
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1 posted on 11/06/2007 5:49:24 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
I'm for it.
2 posted on 11/06/2007 5:51:17 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: shrinkermd

They need to do this by region or else it’s pretty useless. Some places cost a lot more to live. But it’s true ppl don’t realize where they fit into the picture.


3 posted on 11/06/2007 5:52:12 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: shrinkermd
If you're a teacher married to a policeman, your combined household income puts you in the top 25 percent of all households in the nation.

These are the "rich" people Hillary wants to raise taxes on. Not the people in her income range and not the "poor" who pay no taxes anyway. It's you and me brother.

4 posted on 11/06/2007 5:53:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: shrinkermd

The Millionaire Next Door delves into this a bit. It would be interesting to see how many of those high earners (in any given year) are there because of the sale of a home.


5 posted on 11/06/2007 5:54:32 AM PST by MSF BU
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To: Mad Dawg

OK, so Mr. CGG and I are above average in income. Why don’t I feel rich?


6 posted on 11/06/2007 5:57:02 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Because you’re also above average in intelligence?


7 posted on 11/06/2007 6:00:26 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: shrinkermd
The rich irony here is that politicians and most elites have no clue about how middle class America earns and spends. They have lost touch with day to day living for most of the country. In their posh existence of power, popularity and self indulgence, they pander to their peers and bloviate their egomaniacal views and opinions to anyone that will listen in an effort to prop up their self worth. Their existence is sold as a charitable service to this nation and future generations. Truth is, their loyalties are hidden under a cloak of insecurity about their true colors. After looking in the mirror, they are resigned to protect the image they hope others have of them.
8 posted on 11/06/2007 6:00:53 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The earth is getting Warmer! It ain't my fault. Let's boycott Mother Nature!)
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To: Graybeard58; shrinkermd
These are the "rich" people Hillary wants to raise taxes on. Not the people in her income range and not the "poor" who pay no taxes anyway. It's you and me brother.

I remember thinking when all of this SCHIP nonsense started last month how crazy the left's thinking was. If you are a family of four making $80K a year, you are "rich" enough to afford a tax increase, yet you are too "poor" to afford health insurance for your kids.

9 posted on 11/06/2007 6:00:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Huck

The most I ever made was about $37,000 and that was as an evil union thug here in Michigan. It’s not great but it’s not terrible either.


10 posted on 11/06/2007 6:03:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Me too!


11 posted on 11/06/2007 6:04:25 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: cripplecreek
and that was as an evil union thug here in Michigan.

At least you made it to thug. I never made it past goon.

12 posted on 11/06/2007 6:06:40 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
OK, so Mr. CGG and I are above average in income. Why don’t I feel rich?

Because you don't understand the difference between income and assets.

13 posted on 11/06/2007 6:11:24 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: cripplecreek
The most I ever made was about $37,000 and that was as an evil union thug here in Michigan. It’s not great but it’s not terrible either.

I shudder to think what have remaining after paying all those Michigan taxes.
14 posted on 11/06/2007 6:12:14 AM PST by WackySam
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To: Graybeard58
"At least you made it to thug. I never made it past goon."

LOL

Do you have the "official" chain-of-command heirarchy of a Union?

(I was a Union member for only 2 years; back in 1968 and 1969), and have never been in a "seniority-based" career path since....

15 posted on 11/06/2007 6:13:47 AM PST by traditional1
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To: cripplecreek

I was up to 90K+ my last year of corporate dronedom. Then I jumped ship to pursue my dearest dreams and interest. Making more like 25K but happier and healthier, with prospects.


16 posted on 11/06/2007 6:14:44 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Tenacious 1
The rich irony here is that politicians and most elites have no clue about how middle class America earns and spends.

True that. According to the first chart, my wife and I park pretty high up in that parking lot, but we're solidly middle class here in eastern Massachusetts. You cannot live in any of the towns that surround us . . . well, on three sides, anyway . . . if you don't park on that top floor---and you don't park your Rolls on that top floor at that.

And I'm sure cats who live in Manhattan, LA, and San Fran have it even worse.

17 posted on 11/06/2007 6:16:03 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: WackySam

I was lucky to be born into a frugal blue collar family where I could learn the art of living cheaply.


18 posted on 11/06/2007 6:16:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Most people around here live in Jackson county Michigan due to the lower cost of living here but work in Washtenaw county where pay is better.


19 posted on 11/06/2007 6:19:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I bet that’s it.


20 posted on 11/06/2007 6:19:56 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: shrinkermd
As you see, there's a massive disparity between the haves and have-nots...... Horsepoop. The most massive disparity is likely age. I have been in every one of those "wealth" brackets at some stage in my life. A lifelong accumulated wealth of $860k does NOT have you rubbing shoulders with those who make $25Mil per movie. Those "wealth" categories are working-class categories.
21 posted on 11/06/2007 6:20:56 AM PST by bobsatwork
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To: Labyrinthos

We’re above average in both and I still don’t feel rich. I’m not rich.


22 posted on 11/06/2007 6:21:25 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: shrinkermd

It’s not how much you make, but what you do with it.


23 posted on 11/06/2007 6:22:10 AM PST by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Because everything costs so damn much.


24 posted on 11/06/2007 6:22:20 AM PST by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: Graybeard58
"It's you and me brother."

My word! Who are the ones making LESS than $40,000?

Me and my spousal unit combined earn quite a bit more than that, but there is no way I feel like we're wealthy.

I can't imagine trying to get by on less than 40k.

25 posted on 11/06/2007 6:22:20 AM PST by Designer
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To: cripplecreek
Most people around here live in Jackson county Michigan due to the lower cost of living here but work in Washtenaw county where pay is better.

We have more-or-less the same dynamic around here. Pay is better in Boston, but the cost of living is astronomical, so people tend to live in the surrounding suburbs and exburbs. And now the cost of living in those places is celestial as well. One has to drive at least an hour from Boston to find anything affordable.

26 posted on 11/06/2007 6:22:33 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: shrinkermd

Damn! I am rich! Who knew!


27 posted on 11/06/2007 6:22:37 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Mad Dawg

They say if you have assets over 800 plus thousand you are in the top tier. That may be so but that is a long way fro wealthy in my opinion.


28 posted on 11/06/2007 6:24:18 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: bobsatwork

Right. Wealthy people spend 860 thou a year old their hobbies.


29 posted on 11/06/2007 6:25:35 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: shrinkermd

Wow. I don’t feel so poor now.


30 posted on 11/06/2007 6:25:45 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: wagglebee
I remember thinking when all of this SCHIP nonsense started last month how crazy the left's thinking was. If you are a family of four making $80K a year, you are "rich" enough to afford a tax increase, yet you are too "poor" to afford health insurance for your kids.

I have often noted the same things. When raising taxes, there are an awful lot of people that liberals think "can afford it." But when doling out entitlements, there are too many to be paid.

Let's see the democrats tax net worth. Let's see how that goes over. Oh yea, the death tax.

By the way, why don't we ever see the stats officially labeling the "middle class"?

Consequently, these statistics are always way off for income levels. There is a large group of workers in the 17 - 23 age range that have very low wage jobs while in school that are included in the stats as "poor." There is also a lot of 60 - 90 age range that is included. They switch back and forth from "house hold" incomes to individual incomes when it fits the story they are selling.

31 posted on 11/06/2007 6:27:58 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The earth is getting Warmer! It ain't my fault. Let's boycott Mother Nature!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"And I'm sure cats who live in Manhattan, LA, and San Fran have it even worse."

They have higher wages, but expenses are higher there, so it all works out. They are fundamentally no better off than we here in the heartland who are paid less.

Both my sons make more than I do, (both more education as well), but both also live in some high-priced areas.

32 posted on 11/06/2007 6:27:58 AM PST by Designer
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To: shrinkermd
If you're a teacher married to a policeman, your combined household income puts you in the top 25 percent of all households in the nation.

That's funny. Police and teachers (unions) here in Cali are always whining about how poor and underpaid they are.

33 posted on 11/06/2007 6:29:16 AM PST by jrp
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

My wife and I are also well above “average” nationally...but only slightly above locally.

Either way we don’t feel rich, either.


34 posted on 11/06/2007 6:29:38 AM PST by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: petercooper
It’s not how much you make, but what you do with it.

It's not how much you make, it's how you make it much?

35 posted on 11/06/2007 6:32:03 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: cajungirl
fro wealthy

'fro wealthy?"

But yeah, "wealthy" is a noise that liberals make when they want to raise taxes. It conveys no specific meaning.

36 posted on 11/06/2007 6:33:40 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: traditional1
I was a Union member for only 2 years; back in 1968 and 1969

It's not real popular around here (understatement) but I was a union member for 31 years and I don't try to keep it a secret, nor do I keep secret the fact that I have never voted for a democrat in my life.

.

37 posted on 11/06/2007 6:34:13 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

See there? I bet you feel richer already!


38 posted on 11/06/2007 6:34:54 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Designer

I thought it interesting when Britney Spears and her husband Kevin went to court and had to declare earnings. The press focused on Britney and not her husband...he earned over $500,000 but after deductions his gross pay was around $7,000. I guess Hollywood knows how to avoid paying taxes, makes it easier to support a candidate who is going to raise taxes.


39 posted on 11/06/2007 6:37:14 AM PST by Paratrooper
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To: Designer
I can't imagine trying to get by on less than 40k.

A lot depends on where you live, how many people in your family, is your house paid for etc. Many people get by on a lot less than 40k per year.

40 posted on 11/06/2007 6:37:24 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Mad Dawg

fro is for from. Careless typing. But I am rich so you cannot criticize me {ahahhahahaha}


41 posted on 11/06/2007 6:37:50 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
Damn! I am rich! Who knew!

The Rev-rhund Sharpton says that you must increase your taxes paid next year, then! Pay up!

42 posted on 11/06/2007 6:39:42 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Mad Dawg

I feel better already.


43 posted on 11/06/2007 6:42:01 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: OB1kNOb

That is mean!!

Begone poor man, I shall consult my many tax advisors and find some loopholes to protect my wealth.


44 posted on 11/06/2007 6:44:16 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: shrinkermd

“If you’re a teacher married to a policeman, your combined household income puts you in the top 25 percent of all households in the nation.”

On Long Island the yearly salary for this couple would exceed $200,000 with tremendous benefits (almost nothing out of pocket). If the Police Officer hubby works a little overtime they can get the annual payola over $250K.As well, when they both retire their yearly incomes can approach their working incomes (perhaps exceed)depending on how many vacation, sick days they cash in and how much OT they work their last three years, all going towards their gross income. God Bless our politicians in the State of New York and the Long Island Counties for making our teachers and cops very wealthy (sarcasm). I feel sick....


45 posted on 11/06/2007 6:45:10 AM PST by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: shrinkermd
The balance of the article is about the amount of financial handholding the finance industry hands out as the level of assets rises. Not stated is the demonstrable fact that the extra hand holding, in the aggregate, does not help those whose hands are being held earn anything more, and in fact costs them considerably in useless fees. The second half of the article would have been more honest if the tone had been "and once you have this much, the leeches will swarm to batten on and take their 1-2% per year, if you let them".

The article is trying desperately to pretend it is some stacked deck game, when anyone with anything to invest can assure himself better than average returns by using low fee indexes. Actively managed instead can only make more somewhere if another actively managed makes less. In the aggregate, they too have to get the average return - minus the vastly higher fees involved.

The other things missing in the whole article are age and household size breakdowns. Two married workers in mid to late career are going to count as "rich" unless they have been financially irresponsible their entire lives. A single person just out of college isn't going to have any assets, outside a tiny second generation trust fund set.

46 posted on 11/06/2007 6:47:52 AM PST by JasonC
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To: cajungirl

LOL! Poor man - that’s me!


47 posted on 11/06/2007 6:49:42 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Graybeard58

Of course it is all relative. I made more than $170K per year for several years but I don’t feel rich. I save as much as possible. I drive old cars ( all my cars have over 125K miles. I live a very conservative life style. I don’t have a lot of toys (ATV, boats). I tithe to my church, make house payments in Southern Cal, and after taxes I don’t save over 15% of my salary. It would be hard to survive in SoCal making $80K and 2 kids in college. The stats I find appalling is the net worth. 50% of the people have less than $60K. You can’t retire with just SS, our children are going to have a huge problem when SS goes up in smoke.


48 posted on 11/06/2007 6:50:28 AM PST by cromero
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To: shrinkermd

Get to the top by spending like you’re at the bottom.


49 posted on 11/06/2007 6:53:37 AM PST by Soren
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To: shrinkermd

Median world income is about $2 per person per day.
If you’re making more than half the world’s population, you’re not poor.


50 posted on 11/06/2007 6:58:08 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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