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Catholic Condom Ban Helping AIDS Spread in Latin America: U.N.
Yahoo! News (Reuters) ^ | 10/23/2007 | n/a

Posted on 10/23/2007 10:55:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480

TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - The rapid spread in Latin America of the virus that causes AIDS is made worse by the Roman Catholic Church's stand against using condoms, a U.N. official said on Monday.

Some 1.7 million people across Latin America are infected with the HIV virus or full-blown AIDS, and the epidemic is spreading swiftly with up to 410,000 new cases in 2006, up from as many as 320,000 new cases in 2004, according the UN AIDS program, UNAIDS.

"In Latin America the use of condoms has been demonized, but if they were used in every relation I guarantee the epidemic would be resolved in the region," said Alberto Stella, the UNAIDS Coordinator for Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica.

The Catholic Church, which holds sway in Latin America despite the rise in evangelical churches, opposes all forms of contraception and instead promotes abstinence as a way to avoid spreading AIDS.

"The fact young people start to be sexually active between 15 and 19 without sex education contributes to the spreading of the virus, as well as the fact that the evidence shows abstinence is not working," Stella told Reuters.

Latin America is home to nearly half the world's 1.1 billion Catholics, but the Church's position on premarital sex and contraception often clashes with modern values. Brazil, the region's largest Catholic nation, regularly distributes free condoms to try and bring down HIV infection rates.


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Yeah, we all know condoms are more effective than abstinence. (sarcasm)

More holier-than-thou lecturing from the demonic U.N.

1 posted on 10/23/2007 10:55:43 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 10/23/2007 10:56:11 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Yeah, right. Put your faith in a piece of rubber manufactured in the third world.

Or not.

The UN worships some very strange gods.

3 posted on 10/23/2007 10:57:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Men humping and promiscuous heteros fornicating Helping AIDS Spread in Latin America.


4 posted on 10/23/2007 10:58:13 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: Pyro7480

Popes fault!


5 posted on 10/23/2007 11:00:02 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Pyro7480
It's all the Churches fault. Everyone knows that the folks who ignore the Church's teachings on fornication, adultery and homosexuality are slavishly devoted to the Church's teaching against using condoms.

Makes sense to me.

6 posted on 10/23/2007 11:01:24 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Pyro7480

Blaming Catholics for Aids again! I wonder how many of the people who are at risk for Aids are influenced by anything the Catholic Church says? The way these people are presenting it, 15 year old girls are responsible for Aids!


7 posted on 10/23/2007 11:02:45 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: Pyro7480
So let me see.

If someone is Catholic, it prevents them from using a condom, but it does not prevent them from having adulterous or homosexual sex.

Glad the U.N. cleared that up.< /sarcasm >

Kind of like building a submarine but having your beliefs prevent you from putting a water-tight hatch on it.

8 posted on 10/23/2007 11:06:50 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Pyro7480

OH NO, we CAN’T blame the poor humans for their behavior!

Perish the thought that we, the United Nations, should EVER actually blame the guilty. Why, the very IDEA! It’s a violation of our....our, uh....

[Idiom?]

...YES! IDIOM!

We ALWAYS blame the blameless and exonerate the guilty; it’s in our organizational DNA, you know.

It’s the only true path to equality.

“Damn the good, and up the damnable,” that’s the spirit of global unity and peace.

/retching sarcasm


9 posted on 10/23/2007 11:09:58 AM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: N. Theknow

“If someone is Catholic, it prevents them from using a condom, but it does not prevent them from having adulterous or homosexual sex.

Glad the U.N. cleared that up.< /sarcasm >”

That was a perfect example of why nothing coming out of the UN can be taken seriously.


10 posted on 10/23/2007 11:10:03 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Pyro7480

“In Latin America the use of condoms has been demonized, but if they were used in every relation I guarantee the epidemic would be resolved in the region,” said Alberto Stella, the UNAIDS Coordinator for Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica.

***

What about monogamous sex or maybe abstinence?

The UN has no clue.


11 posted on 10/23/2007 11:12:16 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Pyro7480

No, Anal sex is spreading AIDS in Latin America.


12 posted on 10/23/2007 11:12:41 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: pgkdan

Thank you for your comment. I was trying to think of how to say that and you did it perfectly.


13 posted on 10/23/2007 11:14:02 AM PDT by Barb4Bush
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To: Pyro7480

Catholic Church RESPONSIBLE for irresponsible sex? Who’d a’ thunk it.


14 posted on 10/23/2007 11:15:09 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Pyro7480

Sex Outside of Heterosexual Marriage Helping AIDS Spread in Latin America


15 posted on 10/23/2007 11:16:23 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: Pyro7480
So, we're supposed to believe that gay and bisexual Latinos are promiscuously spreading HIV through abnormal sex acts condemned by the Church (and every sane mind), but are resolutely refusing condoms 'cause the Pope says so?

Here's an interesting tidbit: New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami and Washington DC combined. Is that because of the extreme difficulty of getting condoms in NYC? Or --- oh! --- must be because of the overwhelming influence of the Catholic Church in the NYC gay community!

Or there's this: the Latin American country with the highest rates of AIDs are reportedly:

Belize (less than 50% Catholic)

Bahamas (13.5% Catholic)

Barbados (4% Catholic)

(Figures from the CIA World Fact Book)

But for heaven's sake, don't get distracted by all these facts...

16 posted on 10/23/2007 11:16:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Love the Lord... with thy whole Heart, thy whole Soul, thy whole Mind...and with all thy Strength.)
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To: Pyro7480
The UN is ticked off because of the success of the Ugandan Abstinence Campaign.

Passing out condoms sends a message of "go ahead with this risky behavior, just be careful." So when the condoms run out, are not available or fail, the behavior continues unabated.

17 posted on 10/23/2007 11:17:00 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Pyro7480

strange.....

Uganda seems to be getting the opposite results.....but then again- the UN can’t make money or gain power by supporting abstinence.

and worse than that— the UN cannot gain power or money if it actually SOLVES any problems!

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0074.html


18 posted on 10/23/2007 11:18:24 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (When will the leftist elites finally award Bill Clinton with the Nobel "Piece" Prize?)
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To: Pyro7480

Right. Blame it on the Church for banning condoms, and not on people for having unsafe sex in the first place. I hadn’t heard that the Church went around confiscating condoms. That’s overstepping a little . . .


19 posted on 10/23/2007 11:18:27 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: marshmallow

glad to see someone else actually knows about Uganda!!!!

hats off to you!!!

;-)


20 posted on 10/23/2007 11:22:11 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (When will the leftist elites finally award Bill Clinton with the Nobel "Piece" Prize?)
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To: Pyro7480

Actually, what’s helping the spread of AIDS is people’s unwillingness to exercise a little self-control.


21 posted on 10/23/2007 11:28:07 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Pyro7480
if they were used in every relation I guarantee the epidemic would be resolved in the region

It would also put a real dent in the birth rate.

22 posted on 10/23/2007 11:28:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: steve86

That sounds like UN activities to me.


23 posted on 10/23/2007 11:29:40 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: pgkdan

Excellent post. Very well said.


24 posted on 10/23/2007 11:31:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: HKMk23

“It’s a violation of our idiom”?


25 posted on 10/23/2007 11:33:30 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("For is he not of noble birth? The first child born above the Earth!")
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To: xzins
Sex Outside of Heterosexual Marriage

Huh? Is there some other kind of marriage? ;'}

26 posted on 10/23/2007 11:33:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Interesting in that I read an article on FR just yesterday which showed that the result of California implementing its condom based sex education has been an explosion of STDs in the State.


27 posted on 10/23/2007 11:34:48 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: Pyro7480
The rapid spread in Latin America of the virus that causes AIDS is made worse by the Roman Catholic Church's stand against using condoms, a U.N. official said on Monday.

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen. Is the U.N. really telling us that folks that disobey the Church's teaching on sex outside of marriage (man and woman) wouldn't dare disobey the Church's teachings on condom use?! Does the U.N. really think people are stupid enough to buy that?!

28 posted on 10/23/2007 11:36:30 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Pyro7480

Gotta love how al-Reuters puts the word “Ban” in the headline as if this were the high Middle Ages and the Catholic Church had the power to “ban” anything.


29 posted on 10/23/2007 11:37:03 AM PDT by rhinohunter (Thompson/Steele '08)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Isn’t it sad that you’ve gotta make that clear these days?


30 posted on 10/23/2007 11:41:17 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: Pyro7480

The UN has had its way in Africa, and we have seen the results.


31 posted on 10/23/2007 11:41:58 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pyro7480

Common sense tells us that people won’t abstain, but they probably would use condoms.


32 posted on 10/23/2007 11:42:33 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Pyro7480

Because people who engage in premarital sex are so very, very concerned with following Church teaching regarding contraception!


33 posted on 10/23/2007 11:43:12 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: Pyro7480

Keep it in the pants.

All that becomes moot.


34 posted on 10/23/2007 11:43:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Pyro7480

If those fornicating outside the bounds matrimony already ignore the Holy See, what makes the UN think they are obeying the Catholic stance on condoms.


35 posted on 10/23/2007 11:44:42 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Pyro7480

“The fact young people start to be sexually active between 15 and 19 without sex education...”

Whoa. So noone gets “sex ed”? As if THAT helps stop it all!

“...the evidence shows abstinence is not working,”

Abstinence PERFECTLY works.

It’s your failure to promote it that is causing problems.


36 posted on 10/23/2007 11:46:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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“So when the condoms run out, are not available or fail, the behavior continues unabated.”

BINGO.

Condone the behavior, and it’ll be done whether it is “safe” or not.


37 posted on 10/23/2007 11:52:01 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

There is now. Are you forgetting England, Canada, Massachusetts, etc.


38 posted on 10/23/2007 11:59:42 AM PDT by Barb4Bush
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To: Pyro7480

... because we KNOW that people who disregard church teachings on extramarital sex follow church teachings on condom use.

I’ll take South America’s AIDS infection rates over the UN Fiefdoms across Central and Southern Africa.


39 posted on 10/23/2007 11:59:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Barb4Bush; xzins
Sigh ....

X: Your point is, of course, well taken. Only I call it disgusting, not sad.

B: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

40 posted on 10/23/2007 12:03:25 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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>> Brazil, the region’s largest Catholic nation, regularly distributes free condoms to try and bring down HIV infection rates. <<

Hmmm... that would seem to be a good control case, wouldn’t it? Or how about a non-Catholic Latin American country?

Largely Catholic:
Bolivia, 0.07
Paraguay, 0.13
Chile, 0.20
Mexico, 0.35
Columbia, 0.36
Peru, 0.56
Argentina, 0.69

Brazil: 0.95

Non-Catholic:
Surinam, 1.17
Belize, 1.89 (OK, it’s Central American)
Guyana, 2.13

Notice: All 3 non-Catholic, Latin-American countries have HIGHER rates of infection than Brazil. All Catholic countries have LOWER rates of infection than Brazil.


41 posted on 10/23/2007 12:08:25 PM PDT by dangus
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To: al_c

Only the left coast liberals. Their a little busy right now so this will probably be republished with the fires are finally put out.


42 posted on 10/23/2007 12:08:46 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: al_c

Only the left coast liberals. Their a little busy right now so this will probably be republished with the fires are finally put out.


43 posted on 10/23/2007 12:08:46 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: ArrogantBustard

In Massachusetts it has 5 legs and here in New Jersey it has 4 1/2 legs. (Civil Unions)


44 posted on 10/23/2007 12:10:46 PM PDT by Barb4Bush
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To: Pyro7480

This makes no sense. Why would someone either commit adultery or have sex outside of marriage, yet obey the Church regarding condems?


45 posted on 10/23/2007 12:11:38 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: al_c

Libs are so arrogant that they believe they know better with their decades (at most) of experience than the accumulated knowledge of thousands of years and millions of people.

This accumulated knowledge, regardless of religious context, accounts for the set of best practices called “morality” that leads to the best chance at a successful life.

Sex outside the context of monogomous marriage leads to bad consequences. Oh, tough one to understand, right?


46 posted on 10/23/2007 12:13:15 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Barb4Bush
I disagree ... the government of mASSachusetts may define as it likes ... but it's wrong.

The emperor is naked.

47 posted on 10/23/2007 12:13:16 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480
Catholic Condom Ban Helping AIDS Spread in Latin America: U.N.

Nonsense. Anyone who's sexually active outside of marriage wouldn't concern themselves with the CC's stance on condoms -- they'd wear them if they wanted to and wouldn't if they didn't.

48 posted on 10/23/2007 12:13:43 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: Pyro7480
Here is what the UN will hand out next...
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4807611.html

If you read this patent ap, it tells the reason why condoms don’t work.

Abstinence does.

49 posted on 10/23/2007 12:16:06 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: Lazarus Longer

Libs can’t/won’t understand that there is a REASON for traditional values - and this is an example.

They “can’t” understand because their arrogance tells them that their limited time on earth has given them more wisdom than the accumulated knowledge of billions of people over thousands of years.

They “won’t” understand because such understanding would necessarily lead to some self control and denial of instant gratification.


50 posted on 10/23/2007 12:18:39 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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