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Turkish general warns US over ties (Pelosi's mess)
Yahoo News/ AP ^ | 14 Oct 07 | C. ONUR ANT

Posted on 10/14/2007 8:52:33 AM PDT by saganite

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To: UltraKonservativen

No, the Democrat House is amazingly astute at politics. Early on in this war, Democrats whined and wailed about being called traitors to put Pubbies on defensive and make them look like bullies. Now with the battlefield cleared, so to speak, Democrats can act like traitors and not be called on it.


41 posted on 10/14/2007 11:04:38 AM PDT by TheThinker (Foreign campaign contributions should be criminal. This is not democracy at work.)
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To: aristotleman

Yeah this BS resolution on paper will show those dead turks who committed the crime we mean business and correct any and all related atrocities in question........ < /sarcasm>

Sorry I see this Pelosi pandering polidiot paper for what it is.......cow crap.

Yes what the turks did back then was horrible.......but since those responsible have since passed from life and power this congressional effort is not meant to recognize or punish that government it is meant to use those murdered in a manner to undermine the current military efforts in the area vs any form of respectable dignified respect an accounting which the victims deserve.

To advocate, support or agree with such a dishonorable act under the cover of propriety and false concern for the victims is a slap in the face of the survivors of said victims.

Timing and true intent is an insult to Armenians IMO...........


42 posted on 10/14/2007 11:05:14 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: saganite
But.....but I heard some FReepers here on FR thought condemnation of Turkey at this time was a good thing. Some ignorant freepers thought it was more important to condemn Turkey for events 90 plus years ago, even though it would affect our combat operations in Iraq and affect our troops on the ground. I for one thought it was a dumbass move and anyone that supported it here on FR is no better than Pelosi.
43 posted on 10/14/2007 11:26:29 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: saganite

Our ties to Turkey are already strained. We Imported how many million Armenians int this nation? They are still struggling with recognition of their holocaust? Can’t make friends with everybody.


44 posted on 10/14/2007 11:30:01 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: aristotleman

Everybody has their pet atrocity they love to keep talking about. Remembering innocent victims is right. Using this one as a wedge to wreck our efforts in Iraq is wrong.


45 posted on 10/14/2007 11:42:36 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: airborne
"However, I'm afraid President Bush will continue to do little to combat the Democrat leadership."

GW has not cowered to the democrats even though they have attempted to pass something like 50 plus resolutions to surrender in Iraq. He has stood his ground and continued with the surge and it is working. If GW was so willing not to combat the Democrats, we would be pulling most of our troops out of Iraq and surrendering it to al Qaeda.
46 posted on 10/14/2007 11:44:47 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: All
I ask the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) again, Why stop with Turkey? why not add Germany to Resolution 106, that would really cause headaches for President Bush.

No doubt German personnel, from Kaiser Wilhelm II on down, participated in the genocide both actively and passively.

47 posted on 10/14/2007 11:47:49 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: saganite
Genocide still exists, and we saw it in Rwanda; we see it now in Darfur," she told ABC's "This Week" in an interview broadcast Sunday.

And you IGNORED it in Rwanda while 800,000 men women and children were hacked, shot and burned to death. They plead for help = and Clinton instructed HalfRight to stand at the UN podium and DENY there was any evidence of genocide.

And what are you doing for the tens of thousands being slaughtered, as you speak through your lying, plastic face, in Darfur. Oh, I forgot. Your clown, Carter, went to Darfur. He says nothing to see there.

This murderous (if they bring about what they hope by getting our supply routes to our troops shut down, many of our troops will die) traitorous scum of the earth (apologies to other scum of the earth) need to be shut down.

I hope any of you that did your part in assuring that Pelosi, Reid et al, got control in the last election, to "teach the republicans a lesson" are happy with what you have helped wrought. You are equally guilty with anything that happens as a result of this monstrous, deliberate act perpetrated for persoal and political gain.

(for the rest of us, I ask you join me in praying for my grandson (Airborne TF in Afghanistan) and all our other troops that they are not the victims of this heinous act.)

48 posted on 10/14/2007 11:49:18 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: saganite

The state department is responsible for leaving this mack truck opening.

It is not just the life diplomats, it is Rice and before her, Powel who set up this diplomatic issue. If it was not this non-binding resolution, the Turkish government would have found some OTHER issue to grab the US by the short hairs.

Sadly cowboy diplomacy would probably be useful at this point. Desk jockey diplomacy has done nothing well.


49 posted on 10/14/2007 11:53:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: aristotleman

Imagine if someone said the same thing about “the holocost” and time to forget!


50 posted on 10/14/2007 11:56:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: saganite
Nice work, Pelosi. This should have been brought up decades ago, but the fact that she decides to do it NOW is clearly an attempt to undermine our relations with Turkey and cut off supplies to the military.

Allies and Enemies of the US in the War on Terror:


51 posted on 10/14/2007 11:57:55 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: saganite
Hopefully this won’t have a chance on the House floor.

we need to do more than hope and chat-chat to one another.

We need to FREEP Washington and the media NOW and BIG!

WE need to support our troops and see that they continue to get the supplies and equipment they need to stay alive. That includes food and water (my grandson in the Korengal Valley ("The Valley of Fire" so named because of the daily fighting) is 45 minutes from the nearest running water - only MRE's to eat, etc...and the anti-IED's equipment that helps keep them from being blown up - comes through Turkey...

We can't just sit here and tsk tsk about it.

"He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" >/b>Lincoln

If we don't make a big stink about this - they well may succeed in shutting down our supply route and causing many more troop deaths and rip the success they have so valiantly won out from under them - and us.

They write up a resolution to condemn Rush over a blatantly phony charge of anti-troops - what the bloody he*l do you call this?

52 posted on 10/14/2007 12:01:52 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Wolverine
Don’t forget the Turk denial of movement of the 4th Infantry Division through Turkey at the start of the war.

Don't forget what they are doing for us now...and don't forget the freepers who 'taught the republicans a lesson; and aided the rise to power of pelosi and reid...

smoke that

53 posted on 10/14/2007 12:04:59 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: saganite

A little off topic, but I notice Reid isn’t getting involved with this mess, it’s only Pelosi. I think Rush Limbaugh kicked his ass and embarassed him so much that he’s decided to give up in his surrender games. After all, now he has to prove he’s supposedly a bigger supporter of the military than Rush with the bids on eBay. Whenever Dingy tries to start something (i.e. the all-night debate and the letter slamming Rush) it always backfires. I hope he gets voted out in 2010.


54 posted on 10/14/2007 12:07:45 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: maine-iac7

ok everybody remember everything everywhere.


55 posted on 10/14/2007 12:09:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Sulaimaniyah, Murat Karayilan, head of the armed wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, warned . . . .

There you go again, MSM. Shame.. but it's what you do: mislead the public. The PKK is not part of the Kurdish Regional government of Iraq. The PKK also known as KADEK is a Marxist terrorist organization.

. . . the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a terrorist organization, according to the U.S. State Department . . . .

"State's Fried Discusses PKK-Sponsored Terrorism in Turkey. Says U.S. cooperation with Turkey to counter PKK "will intensify"

56 posted on 10/14/2007 12:12:42 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: All

I can just imagine Harry and Nancy’s response.

“Who is this douchebag foreigner to threaten us? When you’re right, you’re right. Why should we worry about what the world thinks of us? Onward unilateralism!”

“And, oh, yeah. We don’t believe in double standards.”


57 posted on 10/14/2007 12:13:02 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: airborne; saganite
Bush needs to get out in front....

How many of us are getting "out in front" on this?

How many of us have/are freeping the MSM and Washington on this?

Our country is based on the freedoms of "We the People - " but not just "FOR" the people, also "OF" the people.

We;ve become a lazy 'People" sitting back waiting for everyone else to do the heavy lifting.

Unless we make a loud noise over this, the traitors may well prevail.

Send your emails/snail mails/phone calls yet? This even deserves the old fashioned but LOUD Western Union...

No time like the present

58 posted on 10/14/2007 12:15:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: jrooney
I for one thought it was a dumbass move and anyone that supported it here on FR is no better than Pelosi.

I for two...

59 posted on 10/14/2007 12:22:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7

Even though I know that it was an exercise in futility, I phoned my Congressmen (Specter, Casey and Tim Holden) and voiced my disgust with the Dems and Congress in general.

But your point is valid. If we don’t get loud and obnoxious to our Representatives, they will just go along as always, oblivious to how we feel.


60 posted on 10/14/2007 12:22:46 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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