Posted on 10/11/2007 1:23:10 PM PDT by america4vr
Does your wife read your posts?
I’ll take the two on the right - they come with a functioning (if sometimes sharp)brain.
Thanks for not being a snot...like some of the people farther up the thread. :)
“I am not sure that Judaism is an evangelistic religion.”
I am sure that it is not.
Jewish people believe the covenent of Mt. Sinai is for Jewish people.
All other people have the Covenent of Noah, which basically says “worship God in whatever manner God told your people to worship Him” (dramatic oversimplification).
COULTER: I like this.
DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women's — with abortion — what would this country look like?
COULTER: UMMMMM (pause) ... It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like.
DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?
COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I'm talking about this country. You don't want to make this country — it's not about Republicans. I'm saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.
COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like Joe Lieberman, the Republican Party would look like Duncan Hunter —
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don't want — I'm not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more —
COULTER: We would be a lot safer.
DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because —
COULTER: Well, all of those things.
DEUTSCH: I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate —
COULTER: Oh, no.
DEUTSCH: That there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let's give you — I'm going to give you — say this is your show.
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they —
DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.
DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were — if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists —
COULTER: Whenever I'm harangued by —
DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can't believe that.
COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity —
DEUTSCH: Here you go again.
COULTER: No, it's true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that's really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And —
DEUTSCH: I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don't see any more or less chips there either way. That's erroneous.
COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire "Seinfeld" episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you're lying.
DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some "Seinfeld" episode? OK.
COULTER: But yeah, I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.
DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or —
COULTER: Yeah.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.
DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: You can't possibly — you're too educated, you can't — you're like my friend in —
COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean —
COULTER: We have the fast-track program.
DEUTSCH: Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that.
COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.
DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, "Let's wipe Israel" —
COULTER: I don't know if you've been paying attention.
DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?
COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?
COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners —
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there's no —
COULTER: What's absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself —
COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.
DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more "Big Idea" when we come back.
(BREAK)
DEUTSCH: Welcome back to "The Big Idea." During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I'm going to give her a chance. So you don't think that was offensive?
COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.
COULTER: No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is.
DEUTSCH: But that's what you said — don't you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic —
COULTER: No!
DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You're an educated woman. How do you not see that?
COULTER: That isn't hateful at all.
DEUTSCH: But that's even a scarier thought. OK —
COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don't want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean (Jerry) Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins." We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.
DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won't we? Ann Coulter. New book. More "Big Idea" straight ahead.
Oh dear. I have no doubt that she meant she wanted all Jews to be “saved”. Our own Savior, Christ Jesus, is a Jew, for heaven’s sake.
LLS
We don't proselytize at all.
And, frankly, I do find Ann's comment, if the comment was made as reported, to be offensive.
I couldn't care less what her religion is, but whatever it is, I will respect it, and I will thank her to do the same.
Jews need to be perfected? I guess that we're somehow deficient, have maybe a screw loose. It also places a great deal of perspective on James Dobson's comment that he couldn't commit to Fred Thompson because he's not sure that Thompson is a Christian.
I will not pars Coulter's comments, but I do take issue with them if, in fact, they are accurate as reported. And if the report IS accurate, I would consider them to be anti-Semitic, yes.
So go ahead, flame away.
actually, that’s not the case. OBL says everyone who is not a Muslim should be killed. I choose to believe you can see the difference.
...and if the liberal media reports the truth.....does that in and of itself
also characterize it as a lie???
According to the religio-cultural relativists, no one dare say one religion is superior to another. Unfortunately, that requires denying any true religious beliefs and treating religion as just another lifestyle choice.
Coulter is funny when considered as the conservative equivalent of a “shock comic”, like Lisa Lampanelli or Sarah Silverman.
People mistake her comedy for actual political commentary sometimes though. She’s conservative ... but says and writes for maximum shock-value rather than actual content. She engages in constant hyperbole, much like Mike Savage does, and sometimes ends up giving conservatives a bad name when she shoots her mouth off.
Every once in a while, it’d be nice if she’d stick a sock in it.
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Obviously not. ;)
I think she’s gonna turn out to be a crossdressing dude.
I like Ann, but she let her mouth run away with her in those last few minutes with Deutsch. I saw that exchange and it wasn’t pleasant. Even if some Christians do believe that Judaism is something like an expired beta version of Christianity, a savvy commentator like Ann should’ve known better than to toss that at Deutsch, who is Jewish, and especially at the very end of the program.
Her act may be getting old, but if the transcript is from Media Matters, it’s undoubtedly a complete misrepresentation. Media Matters lies.
“OBL says everyone who is not a Muslim should be killed.”
Have you ever read some of Coulter’s crap about invading Middle Eastern countries, killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity? Tell me the difference?
So you agree with OBL but Jesus isn't the only way to eternal life?
Not everyone is going......period! Someone is wrong and someone is right. There is no wishy washy grey area in Hell. You are free to chose what you want, Anne isn't forcing anybody to do anything. She is stating her opinion. I agree with her. If you take the name of Jesus, you have a commission to perform, and that is to preach the Gospel. It is error for a Christian to tell someone to choose anyway they want. Their blood will be on that persons hands. If I tell you about Jesus and you reject Him, then I am gathering treasure in Heaven and you are relying on your own righteousness to save you. Jesus said there is none good, no not one. A "good" Muslim will burn in hell, a "good" Jew will burn in hell, because there is nobody "good" enough. God decides, not us. He said Jesus is the ONLY WAY.
Anne is correct in what she said. It just rubs people the wrong way the way she says it. Jesus had the same problem, He was murdered for telling the Truth.
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