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Police: Columbia Won't Turn Over (Noose) Video
AP via SFGate ^ | 10/11/7 | TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/11/2007 10:57:59 AM PDT by SmithL

NEW YORK, (AP) -- Columbia University has refused to turn over security videotape that could help identify who hung a noose on a black professor's office door, police said Thursday.

Investigators began asking on Wednesday for tapes from cameras in the building, but have been rebuffed by administrators, said Paul Browne, the New York Police Department's top spokesman.

He said police will have to get a court order to force the school to provide video they believe could crack the case.

"It's unfortunate because it adds a time-consuming step to the investigation," Browne said.

A Columbia spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.

Authorities were testing the 4-foot-long twine noose for DNA evidence, but had no suspects as of Thursday morning.

On Wednesday, the professor who was the target of the attack, Madonna Constantine, told hundreds of faculty and students at a rally on the Ivy League campus that the incident was a "blatant act of racism" that "reeks of cowardice and fear."

"I'm upset that our community has been exposed to such an unbelievably vile incident," she said.

Police believe the noose was placed on the doorknob of Constantine's office at Teachers College — Columbia's graduate school of education — Tuesday morning, when a colleague spotted it and notified authorities.

Police declined to discuss possible motives or suspects.

Constantine, 44, told police there was "ill will" between her and another professor who had replaced her while she was on an extended leave, a police official said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: boycriedwolf; columbia; columbiau; columbiauniversity; fakehatecrimes; madonnaconstantine; noose; phonyhatecrime; zogbyism
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1 posted on 10/11/2007 10:58:14 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Dollars to doughnuts, the tape probably shows the “offended” perfesser tying the hang rope himself.


2 posted on 10/11/2007 10:58:58 AM PDT by MoMagic
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You don’t suppose that the person on tape is in a protected class with tenure, do you?

hmmmmmmm


3 posted on 10/11/2007 10:59:44 AM PDT by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: SmithL

That is the rumor.


4 posted on 10/11/2007 11:00:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: SmithL
They won't turn it over because it reveals that the perpetrator is one of the following:

1. Black.
2. Or a professor.
3. Or a black professor.
5 posted on 10/11/2007 11:00:41 AM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: SmithL

Betcha dollars to dimes it a non-white individual.

If it was a white person they be doing life at Alcatraz.


6 posted on 10/11/2007 11:03:30 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: SmithL

Didn’t this happen within the last few years - it turned out that the “victim” did the damage herself, to her car, I believe.

Anyway, as the above posters surmise, it’s got to be someone of the protected victim class, otherwise it would be all over page 1 of the NYT by now.


7 posted on 10/11/2007 11:04:27 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Joann37

It has happened a lot. I think one dumbass wrote the epithet backwards on her own head ... while looking in a mirror. LOL!


8 posted on 10/11/2007 11:05:20 AM PDT by MoMagic
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To: SmithL

I find myself in the odd position of supporting Columbia’s position in one respect: What is wrong with waiting to comply until after a warrant is issued? That is the legal way for the police to obtain this.


9 posted on 10/11/2007 11:05:58 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: SmithL

I see no problem in obtaining a warrant. That’s how it should be done.


10 posted on 10/11/2007 11:07:52 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: SmithL

If Columbia is sitting on the tape, you can bet your bottom dollar that it shows this staged outrage was a racial put-up job. Look for them to do almost anything to keep from admitting this.

Columbia is going to find themselves a laughingstock if they keep this sort of thing up.


11 posted on 10/11/2007 11:08:10 AM PDT by gridlock (C'mon people now / Smile on your Brother / Everybody get together / Try to love one anoth-kaBOOM!)
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To: SmithL

Columbia’s had a pretty crappy track record this past month.

I bet whomever hung the rope was either a minority or female, or a member of some other protected group. If it was a white male who did it they’d have handed it over in a heartbeat.


12 posted on 10/11/2007 11:08:53 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Know thy enemy. Learn Farsi.)
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To: atomicweeder

BINGO


13 posted on 10/11/2007 11:09:17 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: SmithL
They’re too busy professing their outrage and stirring the student body into a frenzy. The perp is probably a fellow tenured prof. anyway.
14 posted on 10/11/2007 11:10:37 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: Ingtar

If the tape showed a non-minority hanging this noose, the police would not need a warrant because they could just tape it off the 6:00 news. The fact that it has not been leaked speaks volumes.


15 posted on 10/11/2007 11:11:16 AM PDT by gridlock (C'mon people now / Smile on your Brother / Everybody get together / Try to love one anoth-kaBOOM!)
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To: SmithL

Sounds like another cause the good Reverend Sharpton should be jumping into!! Not even a video tape of the professor putting up the noose herself would deter him!


16 posted on 10/11/2007 11:11:57 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Ingtar; Melas

You’re both wrong.


17 posted on 10/11/2007 11:14:48 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is a clown car with guns.)
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To: Ingtar

Because if it was a white male the tape would have found its way to a news desk by now.


18 posted on 10/11/2007 11:17:29 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: MoMagic

That’s what I am thinking. The professor did it himself; so Columbia has to doctor the tape.


19 posted on 10/11/2007 11:17:48 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Ingtar
What is wrong with waiting to comply until after a warrant is issued? That is the legal way for the police to obtain this.

Huh? Columbia is not be investigated and they have absolutely no legitimate reason for not promptly turning over evidence that could help solve a "crime" in which they are the complainant and not the perpetrator.

What you suggest would be the same as demanding the police obtain a warrant to enter your house and take fingerprints after a burglary when you are the one who called the police to report the burglary.

I think something smells very fishy here. It's as if Columbia already looked at the tape and discovered that they don't really want the perp to be identified and regret calling the police in the first place.

20 posted on 10/11/2007 11:18:05 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: MoMagic

That was my reaction when I saw the grandstanding press conference in TV.


21 posted on 10/11/2007 11:21:01 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SmithL

I’m betting that the tape willl show Prof. Madonna Constantine hanging the noose. I’m also betting that the tape will turn up “lost” or “damaged”.


22 posted on 10/11/2007 11:21:05 AM PDT by Octar
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To: Joann37

Here are some examples...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=boycriedwolf


23 posted on 10/11/2007 11:21:29 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
You’re both wrong.

Why shouldn't the police be required to get a warrant to get this tape?

Because it's Columbia?

Because it's a public place?

Because it's in the public interest?

Because it might embarrass somebody?

24 posted on 10/11/2007 11:22:08 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: MoMagic

You can bet that whoever it is, it won’t jibe with the liberal stereotype of the kind of people who commit these “crimes.”

And then all of the sudden the idea of prosecuting the perp for a hate crime will completely disappear.


25 posted on 10/11/2007 11:22:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: MoMagic

This whole story stunk from the beginning...


26 posted on 10/11/2007 11:23:21 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: SmithL
I will be shocked if it is actually a racist threat by a white person. If it is this professor, she will claim that racism caused her to do it to herself.
27 posted on 10/11/2007 11:26:45 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Izzy Dunne
You're putting words in my mouth.

There is no LEGAL requirement for the police to obtain a warrant for to ask for surveillance video.

If they ask and are refused, then they should get a warrant.

The situation is no different than when the police ask to see the video surveillance from any gas station that's been held up, or a after a jewelry heist or rape in a parking garage, etc.

Generally, the only time the video should be refused is when it's self-incriminating.

28 posted on 10/11/2007 11:29:14 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is a clown car with guns.)
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To: Ingtar
I find myself in the odd position of supporting Columbia’s position in one respect: What is wrong with waiting to comply until after a warrant is issued? That is the legal way for the police to obtain this.

I agree if Columbia is consistent in requiring warrants for non-emergency requests for information and if they are holding the tape instead of "accidentally" reusing it right now.

29 posted on 10/11/2007 11:30:06 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: Joann37
Didn’t this happen within the last few years - it turned out that the “victim” did the damage herself, to her car, I believe.

Instances of these hate crimes when investigated properly and the perp is actually found, 90% of the time the perp is the person claiming to be a victim or the supposed victim aquired the help of someone else to engage in the activity.

Rarely are they actually legitimate crimes.

30 posted on 10/11/2007 11:31:52 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: G8 Diplomat; All
I bet whomever hung the rope was either a minority or female, or a member of some other protected group. If it was a white male who did it they’d have handed it over in a heartbeat.

Handed it over? They would have given digitally enhanced copies to all the major networks prior to even notifying the police.

31 posted on 10/11/2007 11:34:00 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I beg your pardon; I misunderstood your position.


32 posted on 10/11/2007 11:34:12 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
A search warrant is not needed because Columbia owns the tapes and may, if they want to, voluntarily give them to the police. It’s that simple.
It is reasonable to speculate that Columbia’s refusal to cooperate is because revealing the tapes will embarrass the university or cause legal problems with faculty or students regarding privacy.
33 posted on 10/11/2007 11:34:54 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: SmithL
A blatantly racist act has occurred and Columbia is covering up for the perpetrator. Therefore, Columbia is a racist institution.
34 posted on 10/11/2007 11:34:55 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: Ingtar
“What is wrong with waiting to comply until after a warrant is issued? That is the legal way for the police to obtain this.”

You are incorrect. Any organization has the freedom to release their property (the video) to the police, media, whoever, as long as it is in a public area with no expectation of privacy. The question is why would the university try to conceal the identity of someone that committed such a horrible act? He/she should be hanged.

35 posted on 10/11/2007 11:36:20 AM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: MoMagic

I’ll bet Madonna is the perp, as we have seen so many times in the past with these types of incidents.


36 posted on 10/11/2007 11:36:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: SmithL

It was Mahmood?


37 posted on 10/11/2007 11:38:02 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Phantom Lord
They would have given digitally enhanced copies to all the major networks prior to even notifying the police.

Probably with letterbox hi def version to boot.

38 posted on 10/11/2007 11:38:19 AM PDT by MoMagic
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To: BallyBill
If it is this professor, she will claim that racism caused her to do it to herself.

Here is the defense. Take it to the bank.

"With the Jena 6 being in the news and not being taken seriously enough by the white populace I was only attempting to raise awareness." --Guilty Prof.

39 posted on 10/11/2007 11:39:06 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: A. Patriot
Another thought: If the perp turn out to be a minority, Columbia need to apologize to every non-minority student and faculty member for prolonging the assumption that one of them did it.
40 posted on 10/11/2007 11:39:23 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: SmithL

They can’t get any mileage out of this “hate crime” if it was a black student OR it was a professor!


41 posted on 10/11/2007 11:39:33 AM PDT by traditional1 ( Fred Thompson-The ONLY electable Republican Candidate)
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To: don'tbedenied

As a public school, can you submit a freedom of information request?


42 posted on 10/11/2007 11:40:06 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Phantom Lord

I won’t bet against you.


43 posted on 10/11/2007 11:41:15 AM PDT by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: SmithL

2 Words... “Tawana Brawley”
And when they actually prove out that she hung the noose there herself, the argument will change to “ it was a political statement” to bring attention racist white people, so it doesn’t matter who put it there, racism is the larger issue that must be addressed.

Liberal Press will gladly accept this and drop the matter ~ ...move on


44 posted on 10/11/2007 11:41:32 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Contrarianism is Creativity for the Untalented)
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To: Ingtar
I tend to agree. Just because the police want something doesn’t mean they don’t have to go through the proper legal channels to get it.

Not to mention, who knows what would happen in the crazy sue-happy country if they did turn it over without a warrant.

45 posted on 10/11/2007 11:41:57 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: MoMagic; SteveMcKing
Dollars to doughnuts, the tape probably shows the “offended” perfesser tying the hang rope himself.

Adding to the possibility that she is the one doing it is the line:

Constantine, 44, told police there was "ill will" between her and another professor who had replaced her while she was on an extended leave, a police official said.

My intuition: She was on extended leave. The brought in a temporary replacement, but the temp was much better that she was. So she was getting pushed out the door. She invented the nooze as to be "untouchable" by the admin staff. They wouldn't be able to fire the women who had a nooze put on her door. Obviously she forgot about security tapes, and the school doesn't want to embarrass themselves further.

46 posted on 10/11/2007 11:43:50 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: SmithL

Does anybody think this wasn’t a put-up job done by the “victim”?


47 posted on 10/11/2007 11:44:04 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: A Texan; Ingtar
I am not an attorney and don't play one on the internet, and unfortunately I slept on my couch last night.

But aren't warrants needed when attempting to find or obtain a piece of evidence from a defendant/suspect, etc... not from the complaining/prosecuting party?

48 posted on 10/11/2007 11:45:09 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: MoMagic

Why else refuse to turn it over?


49 posted on 10/11/2007 11:45:22 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: MoMagic

I said the same as soon as I heard this.


50 posted on 10/11/2007 11:46:19 AM PDT by lakeman
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