"you're gonna need a bigger party"
Posted on 10/08/2007 7:59:53 PM PDT by XR7
Majority only will support a presidential candidate who shares their values.
A New York Times/CBS News poll shows white, evangelical Republicans agree with Dr. James Dobson.
Nearly 60 percent of those who plan to vote in the primaries said they could not support a candidate they didn't agree with on issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. Eighty-six percent said presidential candidates should be judged on both their political record and their personal life.
Dr. Dobson has taken a beating in the media for promising to vote only for a candidate who shares his basic values, even if that means supporting a third-party candidate.
Last week, he wrote an op-ed piece for The New York Times to clarify his position: "Speaking personally, and not for the organization I represent, I firmly believe that the selection of a president should begin with a recommitment to traditional moral values and beliefs. Those include the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage, and other inviolable pro-family principles. Only after that determination is made can the acceptability of a nominee be assessed."
Rick Scarborough, president of Vision America, a Texas-based group that has a network of 5,000 pastors willing to mobilize their churches to vote, said evangelicals are not bluffing.
“I am not going to cast a sacred vote granted to me by the blood of millions of God-fearing Americans who died on the fields of battle for freedom, for a candidate who says it’s OK to kill the unborn,” he told The Times. “I just can’t.”
Duh.
They needed a poll to figure that out?
The NYT and the rest of the MSM is trying to make us turn on one of our own.
Dobson did a good job of it on H&C tonight.
He sounded like a paid shill for Hitlery.
Doesn’t care if she wins because “it will mobilize conservatives”
He needs to put down the bong
They are trying their darndest to get evangelicals to form a third party, aren’t they? I hope that we have learned well enough from history not to Perot a Clinton back into the Whitehouse.
If Dr. Dobson and Co. doesn’t realize that Duncan Hunter comes with all the necessary Christian credentials I will no longer respect Dr. Dobson. That Tony Perkins does realize that leads me to believe that perhaps Dr. Dobson does after all. I think Rep. Hunter also has the support of Phyllis Schlafly. Now is not the time to change parties. It should have been done in 2006, or if a true conservative is not nominated in 08, the change should be done in 2009.
Where is my 'Hell Frozen Over" pix?
Spot On!!
Listening to Dobson and reading between the lines in the NY Slimes, makes me want to puke...they are both full of sh*t. I am a Christian and neither of them speaks for me!
He has a point there. Under Bill Clinton’s watch Democrats lost the House and Senate and the majority in many state legislatures.
Evangelicals are a two-edged sword. They helped elect Jimmy “Born Again” Carter.
What evangelical, white, NYT hating Republican would answer a poll by the NYT’s?
I didn’t get polled, did any of you? If you did, care to share what the questions were?
No doubt, this “poll” is just what the NYT’s think.
Dobson and the New York Times used each other for their own agendas: Dobson to be in the limelight as kingmaker, and the NYT to use it against GOP candidates.
Why would Dobson write an opinion piece for the NYT? It’s not known as the evangelicals’ favorite rag. How did Dobson get the chance to do an NYT opinion piece expressing his “personal” opinions?
Dobson is just as bad as the NYT.
And, they comprise a large segment of FR.
Speaking as a Fundamental Christian, I will vote in the primary for a pro-life candidate and for the Repub in the General.
For me there is one issue and it is not abortion. If you have Islamoterrorists attacking our Country everything else is secondary including Abortion.
Pray for W and Our Troops
I am also a Christian. I am against abortion, amnesty and illegal immigration. I am pro cutting taxes, pro america and pro building a fence. I am a solid conservative through and through but I will never, never, ever cut off my nose to spite my face. I will never vote for a third party candidate no matter how pro life. I will be throwing my vote away and help put Hillary Clinton in the White House.
God help us all if she is elected.
But we are now at war, remember 9/11
The dems get in, there won’t be a next time.
I feel the same way. Pro life in the primary but the general, republican all the way. There is no other choice.
Megga dittos
HuH? I don’t know of any evangelicals who voted for Carter. I even asked that while I was at crusader training class, not one person said they voted for Carter.
I’m pretty disappointed with him but I keep telling myself that this is mostly to avoid being taken for granted by the Republican establishment. ‘06’s results make me question that though.
Thompson is who Dobson should be supporting . Thompson has more pro-life bona fides than Rudy and Romney combined .
You should consider joining the Thompson team , we need to defeat Rudy and Hillary and can use all the help we can get .
But there's always the little anti-Semite. You know, the 9/11 truther?! or maybe Duncan hunter (polling at 1%) or Tancredo (who?) and Huckabee (huckalugee? Who's that?)
But I'm voting on principal! You can't lay Hillary's election on me! The GOP didn't listen to us... we demanded, and wouldn't listen. Smug, self-indulgent so-called Conservatives. All or nothing. "I refuse to compromise!"
Or, as one really "bright" fellow said the other evening after I pointed out that we had tried this tactic in November, 2006 "and they still haven't listened".
Unbelievable. We're so sanctimonious, so deluded by our own self-importance, that we are prepared to risk damage to our country by electing another Clinton sociopath.
We deserve to lose because we are blinded by our own self-righteousness. And I fear for my country.
Dobson is a joke and so is his hollow threat.
What third party? What candidate? Sheeeit, Even Ron Paul says he wont run third party.
It is bad enough we have to battle the dems but is more disgusting having to deal with the all or nothing crowd and the Paulestinians.
If there was a misstep that Thompson has made, it’s lashing out at Dobson. How many millions of votes is Dobson good for? I don’t like this development because Evangelicals staying home didn’t help the GOP in ‘08. Hillary will be too much of a temptation for women who don’t lean hard right. We will need all the votes we can get. And just look at these conservatives bickering like little children when the GOP is in crisis. It makes me want to puke.
I thought Bush was the guy, and look what a disappointment he’s turned out to be.
It’s pretty hard for me to put my trust in anyone now, but since I’m going to have to, I like Fred above all the rest.
He can speak, and so far seems to be able hold his own against everyone.
I just hope Republican don’t resort to back biting during the primaries and lower themselves to Democrat style of childish name calling politics.
Save it for the general election.
Of course, this hateful rag would report such a thing. If they can splite the party...we can have a fat ugly women communist in the WH...how I’ve got news for you hateful rag....IT AIN’T GOIN’ TO HAPPEN.......
"you're gonna need a bigger party"
nope...we need people to think about the country, and less about themselves. What’s good for the country? And then, answer honestly.
Wait though , Dobson started this crap by saying that Thompson wasn’t a “ real Christian “ . Thompson walked the walk , outside of kissing Dobson’s ass .
Enough is enough , Dobson needs to quit supporting Romney, who has zero credibility on the pro-life issue .
Christians, like Dobson, are known for their attention to the consequences of their actions above and beyond simply focusing on intent alone.
This means that a person who stays home as a deliberate act is obligated to understand that when they could cast a ballot, their deliberate action will accrue to the benefit of whoever wins the total vote. If popular assumptions stay true, it also means they understand that by staying home because they cannot bring themselves to vote for Rudy, it will have the same effect as if they had voted for Hillary. They also must understand that voting for a third-party candidate who cannot possibly gain enough votes to win also has the same outcome, which is the same as if that vote had been cast for Hillary. They have also decided to not let their voice be heard in the rare, but not totally impossible, event of a tie vote. (Especially true of the voter who plays the lottery expecting to win, which may have greater odds against a win than the odds of a tie vote in an election where he refused to vote.)
The flaw in your theory is thinking that Dobson speaks for all Christians. He doesn’t, just his own little self-important crowd that doesn’t extend past his church’s doors.
LOL ! Finn , that pic rocks !
They were floating the idea of trying to get the Huckster to go third party for the Dobson vote to insure a Hillary win . The question is , will the Huckster bite ?
Yup. It's the messenger's fault.
Yup. It's the messenger's fault.
It is when the messenger has an agenda and proves its bias on a daily basis.
THis is true, but Iran is more of a threat, Marxists in Latin & South America allied with Iran, N. Korea a nut case, the Horn of Africa a disaster, The general Middle East on the brink. Clintoon kicked the can down the road and we now have full blown cancer.
That was an asprin factory in Sudan, wasn't it? The baby food factory was a Saddam Husain gimmick. The only building in badhdad with a giant english sign "Baby food factory" on it, and that was during desert storm, Bush sr.'s first gulf war action.
For me there is one issue and it is not abortion. If you have Islamoterrorists attacking our Country everything else is secondary including Abortion.
I will vote R in the general election for anyone except Rudy. I vote based on a wide range of issues including abortion, WOT, 2A, spending. Rudy would be a disaster on three of the four.
This is the Republican Party's fault for giving us candidates with immoral positions.
If the Republicans run a red dog for president in ‘08 I will vote for him and anybody else with (R) next to their name.
Dogmatic totalitarianism is mind slavery.
And Hillary will be a disaster on all 4 and more. So that's smart, if the choice is Hillary or Rudy, lets go with the worst, right? THAT is what you propose.
Huckabee told Dobson to go to hell. He wants the GOP to win.
I know! And while tuning into Savage the other day...listening to what he says he wants in a candidate, I thought to myself....what, is Duncan Hunter invisible??? I understand their thinking name recognition, etc., but to not even consider that Duncan has what they say they want is just nuts. They should name him and THEY could create the buzz necessary to put him up higher in the polls. It’s so frustrating!
good idea..don’t vote for Giuliani...let Hillary become POTUS. And your ranting about them being the same is garbage.
I really meant to type “their” too. Their thinking is that Hunter doesn’t have the name recongnition, etc. — not They are thinking.
Right. They attacked a pharmaceuticals factory in Sudan. The “baby formula plant” in Baghdad was a command center.
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