Posted on 10/08/2007 6:43:55 AM PDT by wmichgrad
Smoking ban costing some workers their jobs
So, the bar had a choice of having smoking or no smoking. The workers also have the choice to find employment in a variety of non-smoking jobs. Personally, I wouldn't hire an employee who was underage if I owned a business that sold alcohol as there's just too many risks.
> The bar could have kept those workers if they chose instead to go smoke-free, said Kasey Poole, a spokeswoman for the Chattanooga-Hamilton County Health Department.
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> “We really wish that they would choose to comply ... so jobs wouldn’t be lost,” she said.
Hypocrisy. No different to this:
Terrorist: “The embassy could have saved the hostages if only they had capitulated to our demands”
“We really wish that they would choose to comply... so lives wouldn’t be lost.”
"It's totally unfair and contrary to what we were told just a week ago," Grant said Friday after learning she had lost her job. "I'm old enough to smoke, to fight for my country and to serve alcohol. But they say I can't work just because somebody else smokes in the same building. How am I supposed to support myself and my child?"
Where is the father in all of this? Or am I just too old fashioned to think that he bears some responsibility for raising this child?
“How am I supposed to support myself and my child?”
Just incredible. How come she has no (not just “Child’s father”)husband! Either way, we taxpayers have to support her madness. Where is her self-respect and sense of responsibility?
I am not a smoking-nazi, but I feel it’s terrible what happened to the private veterans’ clubs here in Ohio. On a promise that they’d be left alone when the new nanny-state anti-smoking laws were put on the ballot, Ohio went along and approved the issue. Then, as soon as the law was passed, the state of Ohio went after ALL veterans’ and private clubs in the state.
A disgusting use of state’s power and a loss of freedom of choice. What private clubs do in their own establishments is their OWN business.
What are you talking about?
She has a job that was just wiped out by the smoking Nazis and nowhere in the article does it state that she was on the public dole.
Ping.
“She has a job that was just wiped out by the smoking Nazis and nowhere in the article does it state that she was on the public dole.”
An underage (below 21) female with a baby working (and no husband or kid’s father) in a bar is well more than likely on numerous types of government handouts that we all have to pay for.
That’s beside the issue. I feel sorry for her that she lost her job because of the bone-headed privacy tampering bureaucrats. But, hey, it was voted by the taxpayers. Me’ thinks voters should study the issues and consequences of all things on the ballot.
So the drinking age is 20 or younger? I’m confused. I thought most states were 21 now.
Agree completely
Nanny State PING...........
I don’t remember anyone but the legislators voting on this.
Interesting that this finally worked in reverse for a change. For those lamenting that the poor girl lost her job because people wanted to smoke...she can go get a job in a non-smoking establishment. There are plenty of those places now. What’s the big deal?
I live in TN and the amazing thing was our state politicians lit up for years during sessions while we the public were prohibited from doing so. It seems smokers and gunowners are fast becoming the outlaws. The state recently passed a 42 cent a pack cigarette tax despite a 1.5 billion surplus.The cigarette tax was for education, despite the fact we got a lottery for the same reason, and; we were told the lottery was the education cure all. Taxes, taxes, and more taxes.We went from a most regressive tax to a new law costing jobs. I wonder if these lawmakers ever think things through?
None of this conjecture is relevant at all to the article.
The most insideous part is that, on the one hand they want to ban smoking, but on the other hand they do not want to ban smoking because of the loss of revenue. Whatever the outcome, the people get screwed.
I believe all states are 21, but if I remember correctly, once you hit a certain age you can SERVE alcohol even if you can’t drink it.
I’m not railing on fathers. YOU are reading too much into what I said.
but high risk sexual lifestyle choices are allowed and protected.
I'm just shaking my head here....
Dummy me. I read the first part of the article incorrectly and thought she said she had consumed the drinks as well as working there. I read “mixed” as noun, not a verb. Thanks for replying.
Republicans jump on the band wagon too.
What private clubs?
“What private clubs?”
In Ohio, all the veterans clubs and other private clubs (AMVETS, VFW, EAGLES, etc.)
How is it they are “private” if the government bans tobacco?
“How is it they are “private” if the government bans tobacco?”
They are considered private because you have to pay dues to be members, non-members are not allowed in, and they have their own by-laws. Our local private clubs lost quite a few of their employees behind the bar because of the new Ohio law.
Some of the private clubs now have signs outside saying, “OK, now where’s the non-smokers?”
The whole thing is a terrible infringement on private club rights. And I’m a non-smoker.
A bar in Mentor, Ohio went to court challenging the exemption for priviate clubs (to spread the misery). A judge in Columbus ruled that the legislation (the way it was written) did not exempt private clubs. The State said that it would appeal that decision. Have not heard anything furhter.
True — total irrelevant. I love how the state official didn’t care that this young lady (who is supporting herself and a child) lost her job. This is the type of government and laws that we want? Where is our freedom going? Sickening, disgusting and WRONG!
The big deal is that what happened is not what our government is for. It’s a VERY BIG deal.
State Issue 5 (Total fascist)
Proposed Law – Prohibit smoking in places of employment and most public places - Smoke Free
Official Results: November 7, 2006
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/ElectionsVoter/results2006.aspx?Section=1857
“The bar could have kept those workers if they chose instead to go smoke-free, said Kasey Poole, a spokeswoman for the Chattanooga-Hamilton County Health Department.
“We really wish that they would choose to comply ... so jobs wouldn’t be lost,” she said.”
Ummm, hey idito health department government lacky, they are complying with the law, just not with your personal preference. Perfect example of nanny state fascist thinking.
At this rate, your new home state will have caught up with your old home state very soon.....
Do you feel the same way when smokers are to be monitored in their cars and in their homes??? Yep...you bet lady...it’s a BIG deal alright.
There are plenty of places this girl can work. She dosen’t HAVE to work in an establishment like that. She CHOSES to.
“An underage (below 21) female with a baby working (and no husband or kid’s father) in a bar is well more than likely on numerous types of government handouts that we all have to pay for.”
You are clearly ignorant as to what good bartenders can make. I personally know 4 single mothers that are bartenders and they actually gross more per year than I do in my middle class white collar job. They do pretty good working at the neighborhood bar that I frequent. I can imagine that they would make even more at a very popular “club” mixing drinks.
I am pretty sure that your assumption about single mothers working at bars being on government dole, is a very invalid assumption. It is one of the few jobs that offers them flexibity in working hours and a very livable wage.
I guess it's all for "the children," except when they're smokers' children.
Smokers are too independent-minded anyway; they could interfere with the great collectivist groupthink.
Strange that the smoking Nazis are constantly making the argument that smoking bans must include bars since the employees are apparently forced to work there. Suddenly, the argument here is that the employee has the freedom to work anywhere she wants.
Seems to me that she made the choice to work in this bar, no doubt because it was providing her enough income with which to support herself and her child, but the state has removed that choice from her.
So which is it? A bar employee has been shanghaied into working at a job against her will, or she is perfectly free to choose her workplace?
Hey! That’s another side-effect victory for the nanny state!
They get to put one more single mother on the dependency dole.
I cant believe how strange we have become. STORIES LIKE THIS MAKE MY HEAD WANT TO EXPLODE.
Tennessee.
I’ve said it before (just like Rush Limbaugh), and I’ll say it again... This young lady had the CHOICE to abort her child or not to (but didn’t), but she does not have the CHOICE to work where she currently works? I think the state legislators should pay her salary. Pathetic.
Think... You can’t work at your establishment because your name is “truthlva” and you love it there. You are forced not to work there. That’s what it comes down to.
“You didn’t really answer the question, and raised yet another. Who “considers” them private?”
Legally, they’re considered “private” by the state. If you’re not a member, you can be denied admittance to the club. Generally, the “private clubs” have a theme such as veterans, yacht clubs, etc. In order to get admission (or a membership), you have to be approved by the present members, and then pay an up-front admissions fee. The veterans clubs were told by the state that they’d be left alone.
The decision was made so that the bar could stay in business, not to protect the workers jobs. If they want their jobs back then tell them to vote the knuckleheads out of office then repeal the smoking laws..........
Thanks for the ping!
You ladies may know this already, but RJR is in favor of this type of compromise nationwide...
Exempt adult establishments where you have to be 21 or over to work or enter. They will bless any anti smoking state law if this exemption is in place.
Get it through your head Comrade...there is no such thing as PRIVATE PROPERTY. The State controls everything.
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