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Israel used electronic attack in air strike against Syrian mystery target
Aviation Week ^ | October 08, 2007 | By David A. Fulghum and Douglas Barrie

Posted on 10/07/2007 11:53:36 PM PDT by jdm

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To: UCANSEE2

We have a plane that is the successor to the U-2 that does this, and it flies too high and too fast to shoot down or catch.==

Russia too has missiles which goes the sinusoide path on hypersomic speeds in the stratosphere. Anyway the new russian airaircraft missiles catch them. Simple if AA missile goes 1 km/sec no airplane may get away of it. But even 20 years old S-200 could do it. That is why United States did never send no aircraft over Soviet Union.
Modern Russian S-400 missiles can go 3-5 km/sec in stratosphere. So you see.
Accualy new american ABM missiles may do same speed like S-400. SO no wonder that no airplane can get away.


61 posted on 10/09/2007 3:31:26 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: UCANSEE2

The technology that our governments have available is way beyond most people’s comprehension, ==

But what if dish connected with targeting computer by optical wire or coaxial cable as it is in the russian AA eqiupment. How you would tamper in it?


62 posted on 10/09/2007 3:34:33 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: UCANSEE2
Just read your second response. Okay. So we have processors and control programs running every device all connected by networks now. Can actually inject a true virus wherever one of those networks travel. The radar device itself is pretty much irrelevant at that point in time. Complete override of radar signal processing program in the control room. Or, the control programs are compromised and turn the dishes to the wrong direction. Now I see why the term ‘virus’ was utilized. I would have never designed defense systems like that, but hey, I am not in the computer business anymore. This requires a complete redesign of the entire system. Don't know how you can actually get around this problem. You could have a backup system that is only activated when you need it, but the problem there is by the time you know you need it, it is too late. Physical wires can also be hacked with covert commandos and if you make one big centralized facility all hardwired, it would be taken out first thing. So Israel now has stealth capabilities without stealth planes. Someone needs to tell the Mahdi wannabe.
63 posted on 10/09/2007 3:37:25 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: UCANSEE2

Computers do what you tell them to do, if you know how to tell them. Believe me. I have spent most of my career making computers do exactly what I am asked to make them do.==

I work in IT too. And I know that if you do not know the command structure then you can’t do nothing. Simply the military computer won’t understand you. But in those military OS even command structure is the secret. And it is changed time to time. The all internal trafik is encrypted so as the data on the hard memory. You can do nothing.


64 posted on 10/09/2007 3:39:25 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan
But what if dish connected with targeting computer by optical wire or coaxial cable as it is in the russian AA eqiupment. How you would tamper in it?

If possible, it is no doubt classified. I remember hearing rumors around 20 years ago about how Russian spys could read a Magnetic Disk drive from outside a building. I think it had something to do with RF frequencies and/or noise bleeding around. Don't know how you could write on a magnetic disk drive remotely. But man the problems that could cause. Yikes.

65 posted on 10/09/2007 3:47:58 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I remember hearing rumors around 20 years ago about how Russian spys could read a Magnetic Disk drive from outside a building. ==

Fairy tales for sure:). One friend once worked into the so called “post box”. It is the jargon nick for secret research intitute. He told that they had there the metallic net inserted into glass of thier windows! It is for shielding any radio band. Not mention those windows were tri-packed and had special rough covering to refuse the laser reflection. To read the data from thier disks one can if he was been doing the reading sitting before display in thier display room. From outside it was impossible ever. Not mentioning thier computers were not connected to no network. And thier displays has no writing devices in it.


66 posted on 10/09/2007 4:00:53 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: justa-hairyape

Correct. Just like viruses that tell you “critical system error” when you don’t really have any such thing. They are made to appear “real”, but are only BS to trick you into purchasing software that just invades your system even further.

Smoke and mirrors.


67 posted on 10/09/2007 4:27:47 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (((Wi arr mi kidz faling skool ?)))
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To: RusIvan

If you beam a radar wave at me, when it bounces back, your equipment provides a profile of the returning waveform and the profile’s deformation is seen by the operator and interpreted.

What if I absorb the wave so it does not return? Or I return it with deformations that do not give a large enough or recognizable profile???

We aren’t ‘jamming’ their signals, we are just changing what they think they see.


68 posted on 10/09/2007 4:34:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (((Wi arr mi kidz faling skool ?)))
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To: justa-hairyape

“think it had something to do with RF frequencies and/or noise bleeding around.”

Very perceptive. That is why DOD computer rooms have shielding.


69 posted on 10/09/2007 5:39:17 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (((Wi arr mi kidz faling skool ?)))
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To: UCANSEE2
Here's a youtube synopsis of the event, kinda interesting:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4uy95ecx2bY

70 posted on 10/09/2007 5:41:51 PM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: RusIvan; Darkwolf

Rus, Dwolfe

As I’m reading this it would appear that the raid used a combination of tactics.

The Datastream that is mentioned may well have been a sidelobe injection to misdirect the analog systems.
the analog systems are more prone to getting hit by this.

doing the similar trick to a digital system entails literally getting inside of the other guys controll systems.

The reason the Syrians and Iraninans are pissed is it appears, key appears, that the raid was pulled with some combination of bunnies out of an unspecified hat.

The Russians tend to build reliable battlefield stuff but and here is the real drag they are hitting again,

against NATO std, western stuff the stuff doesn’t get the job done.

r


71 posted on 10/09/2007 6:01:16 PM PDT by woerm (student of history)
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To: UCANSEE2

We aren’t ‘jamming’ their signals, we are just changing what they think they see.==

If you arenot completely radio black (nonreflecting) then together with your fake signal the radar will get its own genuine reflected signal. It will be difficult but the radar computer may solve the problem to find the real signal. Radar will think that your fake signal is just a electromagnetic noise.
Secondly the passive radio home device of the AA missile may home on any kind of the radio signal ever. SO if your e-ware transmitter on the airplane will just emit the fake signals for radar it will be enough for the homing device to take the direction for missile. And anyways your e-airplane will not avoid the missile. It is sitting duck:).


72 posted on 10/10/2007 1:40:55 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan

And yet,

the IDF and American support snuck in totally undetected and bombed the heck out of the base in Syria.


73 posted on 10/11/2007 2:33:48 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: UCANSEE2

the IDF and American support snuck in totally undetected and bombed the heck out of the base in Syria.==

That is why I think that Syrians were shy to shoot down the american e-war airplane. This won’t work in the real war.


74 posted on 10/11/2007 2:37:58 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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Mysterioius "snow" on Israeli TV ongoing since 6 Sep 07.
75 posted on 10/11/2007 3:09:50 AM PDT by raygun (There's no real cause for concern; you're never more than 6 feet away from some kind of spider.)
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