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Bill Clinton and Al Gore’s ‘Phony Soldiers’
Men's News Daily ^ | 10/07/07 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 10/07/2007 7:01:45 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

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To: Mobile Vulgus

lib/dems were for the phony soldiers before they were against them!!!


21 posted on 10/07/2007 8:23:59 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Mobile Vulgus

What fascinates me about the military experts the dems choose to make their profound military pronouncements is they choose losers like Kerry, Murtha, Harkin, McBeth etc.


22 posted on 10/07/2007 8:25:13 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Condor51

Kerry, is that you???


23 posted on 10/07/2007 8:27:45 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Thommas

I just read the LBJ/Silver Star account. I agree, laughable.


24 posted on 10/07/2007 8:34:12 AM PDT by Irxfxs
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To: Bahbah; Nevadan
Nevadan:
.. do not think it is an inaccuracy to say that Macbeth never actually served his country.

Bahbah:
I absolutely agree with you. It just seemed to me that the author appeared to be saying he was never IN the military.

"appeared", that is the key word. The libs pick apart the words used, and re assert the emphasis.
They are masters at being word-smiths. Remember "W" and those 16 words?
Anyone that followed the news knew he was repeating a report from the UK intelligence agency.
The NYT's, WaPo and the rest made it appear that was "W's" speech and feelings.

WE have to be vary careful how we phrase every single comment or report, they don't.

25 posted on 10/07/2007 8:34:54 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()... Cevapi & Slivovitz for everyone....()
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To: Bahbah
but it turned out later that Macbeth never served in the military at all.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect, although it was for a mere 40 to 44 days, depending upon the account one reads.

Actually it may be technically correct.

Boot Camp (USMC) is three months or approx 90 days. You are not considered a Marine nor are you called a Marine until graduation day.

Not sure about the Army.

26 posted on 10/07/2007 8:37:00 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: SeaHawkFan
In a liberal's mind there is no difference between being "gassed" and being a persistent drunk.

Yeah! Now I remember. When I was on liberty in Japan and Okinawa.

Those cute bar girls kept plying me with "Singapore Slings" until I was gassed out of my mind. 8>)

27 posted on 10/07/2007 9:05:18 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
it may be technically correct.

I would not mind being corrected. I don't think what McBeth did or had in mind was "service" to this country.

28 posted on 10/07/2007 9:25:30 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ThreePuttinDude
WE have to be vary careful how we phrase every single comment or report, they don't.

Precisely.

29 posted on 10/07/2007 9:26:48 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Democrats Chastise Limbaugh for Insulting Troops

Oct. 6, 2007

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has introduced a “Bill of Attainder” against conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh for “usurping the prerogatives of congress.” The flap started when Limbaugh characterized self-proclaimed war hero and war critic, Jesse Macbeth, a “phony soldier.”

“It is not for Mr. Limbaugh to say who is or isn’t a soldier,” Reid said. “Nor should he be casting aspersions on brave men like Jesse Macbeth for their outspoken opposition to the atrocities committed by our troops. Congress is the judge of these matters.”

Reid asserted that “the testimony of soldiers like Macbeth has been corroborated by many others.” “Senator Kerry (D-Mass.) has informed me that our troops have been terrorizing women and children in the dead of night,” Reid went on. “Congressman Murtha (D-Pa.) pointed out that our Marines have been killing civilians in cold-blood. I have heard similar stories from Senator Durbin (D-Ill.) and Senator Obama (D-Ill.).”

As it turns out, Macbeth who claimed to have been an Army Ranger was in the Army only 44 days and never served in Iraq or Afghanistan. The lack of actual participation in the war did not stunt Macbeth’s imagination. He described how he and other U.S. Army Rangers slaughtered Muslims as they prayed in a Baghdad mosque.

Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) cautioned that we “not rush to dismiss Macbeth’s account of atrocities just because he embellished his war record.” Harkin said boasting about one’s military service is “a harmless vice” akin to “fishermen’s tales of the one that got away.”

Harkin once claimed to have flown combat missions in Vietnam, only to later be forced to admit that he only flew into Vietnam on a few occasions to “sample the ‘killer weed’ and get some action with ‘hot Asian babes.’”

Reid’s bill calls for Limbaugh to be permanently banished from the airwaves and to perform two million hours of community service helping non-English speakers register to vote.

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


30 posted on 10/07/2007 9:29:58 AM PDT by John Semmens
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Another case was Joseph Ellis, an academic historian (Mt. Holyoke College faculty), who made claims that turned out to be false. I think he had been in the military but falsely claimed to have been in Vietnam.

Ellis had earlier rejected the allegations that Thomas Jefferson had fathered Sally Hemings' children, but just before the 1998 elections, at the height of the Lewinsky scandal, he suddenly decided he believed that Jefferson had had the affair. Trash Jefferson to enhance the stature of William Jefferson Clinton.

31 posted on 10/07/2007 9:52:58 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: OldEagle

In the case of Kerry and Murtha they have refused to disclose their service records.


32 posted on 10/07/2007 10:29:05 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: gusopol3
Actually "lefteous" anger. there's nothing right about their behavior.

Clintoon the Sex Predator, Gore the Buffoon, Kerry the Traitor makes up quite a cast!

33 posted on 10/07/2007 11:40:48 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Young Werther

lefteous it is then


34 posted on 10/07/2007 11:53:56 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Mobile Vulgus
but it turned out later that Macbeth never served in the military at all.

Actually that's not quite right either. MacBeth washed out of basic, spending 44 days as a private at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003, but was released "for issues related to entry-level performance and conduct," he didn't serve on active duty long enough to be considered a "soldier" much less a "veteran".

Incidently, his birth name was Jesse Adam Al-Zaid. Here's the Court Record of his name change. It was a long time ago, July of '86, so he would have been pretty young, maybe only a few years old. Still something that probably bears looking into.

35 posted on 10/07/2007 12:05:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Even though he was being disingenuous , Harkin was technically correct. When I was on active duty, I was assigned to the engineering division of an Air Force depot. It is “putting your ass on the line” to fly aircraft after the civilian depot monkeys get done with them. I also used to work with a former Army Officer who flew every sort of helicopter the Army had, after they underwent maintenance, and not even at the depot. He said much the same. The only one that really scared him was the Chinook series. He knew “too much” about the mechanicals in those.


36 posted on 10/07/2007 12:22:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: John Semmens
Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) cautioned that we “not rush to dismiss Macbeth’s account of atrocities just because he embellished his war record.”

"Fake but accurate" raises it's ugly socialist head once again.

I guess Harkin knows all about "embellishing" events which never happened into the historical record.

37 posted on 10/07/2007 12:34:11 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Algore was a real soldier...

...and darned lucky to have survived. LOLOL

38 posted on 10/07/2007 12:56:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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