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Republicans Grow Skeptical on Free Trade
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 4, 2007 | John Hardwood

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:12:37 AM PDT by yorkie

WASHINGTON -- By a nearly two-to-one margin, Republican voters believe free trade is bad for the U.S. economy, a shift in opinion that mirrors Democratic views and suggests trade deals could face high hurdles under a new president.

The sign of broadening resistance to globalization came in a new Wall Street Journal-NBC News Poll4 that showed a fraying of Republican Party orthodoxy on the economy. While 60% of respondents said they want the next president and Congress to continue cutting taxes, 32% said it's time for some tax increases on the wealthiest Americans to reduce the budget deficit and pay for health care.

Six in 10 Republicans in the poll agreed with a statement that free trade has been bad for the U.S. and said they would agree with a Republican candidate who favored tougher regulations to limit foreign imports. That represents a challenge for Republican candidates who generally echo Mr. Bush's calls for continued trade expansion, and reflects a substantial shift in sentiment from eight years ago.

"It's a lot harder to sell the free-trade message to Republicans," said Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, who conducts the Journal/NBC poll with Democratic counterpart Peter Hart. The poll comes ahead of the Oct. 9 Republican presidential debate in Michigan sponsored by the Journal and the CNBC and MSNBC television networks.

The leading Republican candidates are still trying to promote free trade. "Our philosophy has to be not how many protectionist measures can we put in place, but how do we invent new things to sell" abroad, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said in a recent interview. "That's the view of the future. What [protectionists] are trying to do is lock in the inadequacies of the past."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; fairtrade; fleecetrade; trade

1 posted on 10/04/2007 9:12:38 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

“free trade has been bad for the U.S”

Republicans have always asked for FAIR trade, not FREE trade.

FREE trade to this government means American taxpayers pay foreign nations our money for nothing.

We are willing to pay for a fair price on goods and services but aid and grants to foreign nations is wrong.


2 posted on 10/04/2007 9:15:41 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: yorkie

Having had three jobs outsourced overseas since 2001 I am definitely not a fan of this so-called “free trade”. I say so-called because every single free trade agreement is always one-sided. China gets free trade in the USA while American goods and firms are shut out of their market. Japan, Korea, Europe - all the same. Screw free trade and screw anyone who thinks exporting American jobs is somehow good for America.


3 posted on 10/04/2007 9:16:59 AM PDT by PeterFinn (Miller Beer? I *pee* better beer.)
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To: edcoil

Reciprocity, it simply kills me that our trading partners are dumping goods on us, and we cannot do the same to them, we haven’t sold over 20 million dollars worth of Beef to China in years.

2 billion people and we cannot break 20 million dollars worth?


4 posted on 10/04/2007 9:19:27 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on....)
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To: PeterFinn

We don’t have a free-trade agreement with China. If your definition of the same is so expansive, then it’s not surprising you feel the way you do.


5 posted on 10/04/2007 9:19:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: yorkie

Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are very similar in most respects. But Hunter is better on trade.


6 posted on 10/04/2007 9:20:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: yorkie

Instead of increasing taxex on anyone, cut spending, cut pork, cut the sending of our money to other countries, cut Congresses pay. Our taxes were originally only supposed to be used to support our government and our military. Go back to that. Turn financial requirements for States, back to the States. Get rid of the Department of Education and stop controlling our schools. Leave funding of the schools up to the States. NO MORE TAXES. Bring in the Flat Tax or Fair Tax.


7 posted on 10/04/2007 9:22:52 AM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2

I’m still planning to vote for Duncan Hunter, but if you decide to run for president, you can be my second choice ;)


8 posted on 10/04/2007 9:30:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: pissant

Seems like a good thread showing that Duncan Hunter’s views are emergent in our electorate on both sides of the aisle.


9 posted on 10/04/2007 9:31:57 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: RC2
LOLOLOL, now that is hilarious!

We tried that in 94.

And our fellow “Americans” kicked us out in 96.

Said we tried “to much, to soon”, you know, we were radicals who hated children, poor people, and the environment. NO REPUBLICAN WILL EVER RUN ON THIS AGAIN!

Americans are idiots, its time to hide your money, lots of it, cash, for the blackmarket reign of Mother Hillary. (don't forget your guns and ammo)

10 posted on 10/04/2007 9:38:14 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: edcoil
We are willing to pay for a fair price on goods and services but aid and grants to foreign nations is wrong.

UnAmerican tribunals are wrong also. The American way of life and our open courts are not good enough for the free traders.

11 posted on 10/04/2007 9:41:42 AM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: yorkie

***”That’s the view of the future. What [protectionists] are trying to do is lock in the inadequacies of the past.”***

Protectionists are trying to protect the country with fair trade contracts.


12 posted on 10/04/2007 9:46:56 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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Oh, and could anybody tell me what free trade agreements with Australia has done for them? A friend said it really screws them up.


13 posted on 10/04/2007 9:47:52 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: Kevmo; All

It is not ‘free trade’ that Hunter opposes. It is awful trade deals, empowerment of the chicoms, and our loss of sovereignty that he opposes. As do I.


14 posted on 10/04/2007 9:52:29 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: yorkie

If capitalism is good how is free trade bad?


15 posted on 10/04/2007 9:53:58 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee?)
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To: DungeonMaster

Because the supposed ‘free trade’ is not even remotely close to free trade. It is managed trade by the WTO that has the US at a distinct disadvantage.


16 posted on 10/04/2007 9:56:03 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: wastedyears

If you are some sort of domestic Australian ag-product firm (say, pork or beef), then you are howling. We are really cleaning their clocks.


17 posted on 10/04/2007 10:02:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DungeonMaster
If capitalism is good how is free trade bad?

Free trade has hooked Americans on consumption and debt. Of course the housing crisis and dollar collapse may just put a stop to it.


BUMP

18 posted on 10/04/2007 10:12:20 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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To: pissant

a.k.a. “fleece trade” that Duncan Hunter opposes.


19 posted on 10/04/2007 10:13:03 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Gotcha


20 posted on 10/04/2007 10:20:55 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: capitalist229
Free trade has hooked Americans on consumption and debt.

That's like saying food makes you overeat.

21 posted on 10/04/2007 10:30:45 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: edcoil

Since when is conservatism more concerned about “fairness” than it is about freedom?


22 posted on 10/04/2007 10:48:01 AM PDT by xjcsa (Hillary Clinton is nothing more than Karl Marx with huge calves.)
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To: 1rudeboy
That's like saying food makes you overeat.

Not really, free trade causes more competition hence lower prices. Instead of investing the savings, Americans just consume more. In fact lately we are so hooked that savings is negative. This has to stop.


BUMP

23 posted on 10/04/2007 10:48:22 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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To: 1rudeboy
That's like saying food makes you overeat.

Not really, free trade causes more competition hence lower prices. Instead of investing the savings, Americans just consume more. In fact lately we are so hooked that savings is negative. This has to stop.


BUMP

24 posted on 10/04/2007 10:48:34 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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To: yorkie

This thread resembles an earlier thread.


25 posted on 10/04/2007 10:50:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: capitalist229
You need to consider the implications of what you're claiming. Assuming for the sake of argument that some Americans do have an overconsumption problem, the last thing we need is the federal government to penalize the others that do not, in the name of helping them.
26 posted on 10/04/2007 10:53:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
We don’t have a free-trade agreement with China.

What? they have MFN status last I knew. Whats the difference.

27 posted on 10/04/2007 10:54:59 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: xjcsa

fairness is freedom - it also keeps government out of most issues since by nature, governments can never be fair.


28 posted on 10/04/2007 10:56:50 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: yorkie
The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act came from this kind of thinking, and it likely worsened the Great Depression.
29 posted on 10/04/2007 10:58:11 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Realism
A free trade agreement removes tariffs by eliminating them immediately, or phasing them out over time. MFN status simply means you use the tariffs in the book. Huge difference.
30 posted on 10/04/2007 11:00:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DungeonMaster
If capitalism is good how is free trade bad?

It's not really free trade. These agreements generally allow the other country to export whatever they want to us with little or no tarriff while being barred or extremely high tarriff's in the other country.

31 posted on 10/04/2007 11:00:28 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: edcoil
fairness is freedom

Who are you, George Orwell?

32 posted on 10/04/2007 11:06:17 AM PDT by xjcsa (Hillary Clinton is nothing more than Karl Marx with huge calves.)
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To: rb22982

“These agreements?” Name one that does what you claim it does.


33 posted on 10/04/2007 11:20:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
tariffs in the book. Huge difference.

Did you look at the book? I wouldn't describe it as huge, much of it is tariff free.

34 posted on 10/04/2007 11:23:21 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism

LOL—that’s the first time I’ve seen someone describe the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States as mostly “tariff free.”


35 posted on 10/04/2007 11:29:28 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: rb22982
It's not really free trade. These agreements generally allow the other country to export whatever they want to us with little or no tarriff while being barred or extremely high tarriff's in the other country.

There seems to be limitless hype and hope in the Chinese market for American products from 787's on down.

36 posted on 10/04/2007 11:46:41 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee?)
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To: DungeonMaster
There seems to be limitless hype and hope in the Chinese market for American products from 787's on down.

Well yeah, they likely manufacture most of the components for the dam thing. Probably be building their own version in a few years.

37 posted on 10/04/2007 12:06:44 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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