Posted on 10/03/2007 9:24:57 AM PDT by TitansAFC
Lost the ability to download cookies from Free Republic for quite some time. I'm back now.
I'd like to reconnect with the Stop Rudy list so I can ping 'em to combat the Rudophiles who are infiltrating FR again.
Anyone got the ping list?
I hope you will work as hard to stop Hillary if he becomes the nominee...
The question becomes: Do I want to lose just the election, which is already then lost, or lose both the election and a Conservative political party?
In which case, the logical choice for a Conservative is to accept 2008 as a lost election, and work to rebuild the party.
What is the point in stopping her if Rudy is the GOP nominee?
Mega-ditto!!!!
If she allows the Conservative party to exist.
Then it will just become, “the Party.”
Are you guys even Conservatives? Alas, the opposite is probably self-evident....
Why would I work to aid and abet a liberal takeover of the GOP? Why would I not want that takeover attempt to end - mercifully - in November of 2008 instead?
It is a Conservative’s responsibility not to aide and abet a Liberal takeover of the GOP.
This is absurd. I’m too socially conservative to vote for Rudy over Thompson, McCain, Romney, or even Huckabee, but going after Rudy’s knees is ridiculous. He has a right to run in the GOP primary and people have a right to support him. I may not like his personal life and pro-gay, pro-abort stances, but if it comes down to him or the Hildebeast, I’ll be working overtime to defeat her.
Are you KIDDING me? Please tell me that this is a joke. If you cannot tell the difference between Hillary Rodham CLinton and Rudolph Guiliani, there's no help for you.
That said - my #1 choice is Fred Thompson right now but I WILL say that if Rudy gets the nomination I will be damned sure to make sure he WINS over every single Democrat...especially that Communist Hillary!!
Her operatives are probably organizing a bunch of them now. Bull Moose, anyone?
I’d be glad to vote for Rudy.
He won't have to work...conservatives will immediately bolt the GOP and vote 3rd party.
You should also change your tagline, because Rudy won't be the nominee.
Then you would willingly aid and abet a Liberal coup of the GOP in addition to the already, then lost, election?
That is the antithesis of forwarding the Conservative movement. I will have no part in making 2008 worse in a Rudy911 vs. Hitlery matchup. I will accept that a Liberal must be President, and work to salvage the GOP for four years. The alternative is unthinkable.
I am not voting a pro-abortion person into the White House. If one is going to sit in that office they will do so without my vote.
I'll be voting 3rd party. I have no intention of helping Rudy should he get the nomination.
That is the stupidest remark I've read yet about the '08 election...go back to the DU-DailyKos-or where ever you've been.
"This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." Sir Winston Churchill
Rudy would be fine with me....
Romney would be better.....
maybe Fred would be the best - but, he has a lot of catch-up to do....
It strange that so many FReepers are willing to give Hillary the WhiteHouse, just for spite.....under the pretence that Hillary is no worse........
By all means, bash Rudy now. But in the general election, think of who 0sama would support.
Don't you think telling a guy who won't vote for a very liberal candidate to go to DU is a tad ironic?
Ditto; Ditto; and Ditto.
If Rudy some how lies his way into the nomination, this staunch Republican, and his family, and his friends who have always voted Republican will be voting Third-party.
You don’t compromise on as many issues as it would take to vote for Rudy and maintain your self-respect.
And what exactly do you hope to accomplish by doing that? Besides electing Hillary?
Ruth Bader Ginsberg THREE MORE TIMES
OR
Antonin Scalia or Samuel Alito or John Roberts.
No
Fair enough...this is your right. I see you are a one issue voter.
I don't approve of abortion but I also don't approve raising taxes, socialism or the fact that the jihadist moslems all over the world are actively planning and trying to take over my country and kill us all....so I will be DAMNED sure to cast my vote in the primary and in the general election in '08. and I'll be certain to cast it for the GOP nominee (except if it is Ron Paul because he's just insane and is clueless about the real threats we face from the dar-al-islam)...
Best of luck to you elizabetty...
As I have said in other threads I’d rather fight her from opposition than support a closet Democrat as a Republican president. If we nominate a Rudy or any other liberal RINO it won’t just be the next election we lose it will be the next 2 or 3. It is time to take back the Republican Party or move to start a new one or assimilate into an existing one like the Constitution Party.
No Rudy. FDT, Hunter, or even Romney.
There's your mistake. It isn't for spite - those who won't vote for Rudy actually believe they have the conservative movement's best interest at heart. If I vote for Rudy, I am voting for a guy who is anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-illegal, pro-gay agenda, etc.
You may see it as "beating Hillary", but the RNC and other liberal Republicans will see it as acceptance of liberal values, and will continue to push the party leftward. Rudy as president will help move the country leftward, as well - with no chance for repair until 2016.
the attitude: Rudy is no better than Hillary is nowhere near accurate.
I wrote no slur, just pointed out an obvious truth.........nothing stings worse than the truth....(I should know)
Bingo. I'm wondering if these people have any values at all.
This herring has never worked at FR, and never will. One only needs to look at Rudy911’s actual record of judicial appointments and his personal world-view to know, beyond all doubt, that we will not get a Scalia, Alito, or Roberts from Rudy911.
We will get a Stevens or Kennedy at best, and that is not worth worshiping at Rudy911’s altar by sacrificing or party and nearly everything we believe in to appease his lust for power.
You can appease the Liberals working to take over the GOP, I will not. The political wilderness is still better than the political graveyard for Conservatives.
Why bother? According to Rooty himself when he was campaigning against her of Kongress, "My positions are mostly the same as Mrs Clinton's"
I understand your argument - but your remedy is not justified by the risk
I agree with you. But I don't think Rudy is acceptable leadership for this country. Maybe if he were conservative on 30-50% of the issues, but I can't enable a liberal (from either party).
I would be equally disgusted with Rudy or Hillary as president, and really wouldn't care since I wouldn't be represented either way. (1 or 2 issues, taxes and tough terror talk, isn't representation).
I'm voting FOR someone, not AGAINST them.
If the GOP wants to live up to the moniker “stupid party” and they want Hillary to win, they will manipulate Rooty in as the candidate.
If they want to win. They will push a candidate that has credentials that the whole party can get behind. He does not have to be perfect, but he cannot be a liberal.
And this is what many conservatives intend - to never give in to the liberal wing of the Republican party.
If standing on priciple is 'just for spite' in your view, so be it.
Unless it has been tongue and cheek, I have never been rude to another candidates supporters here. I have knowingly never, ever lied about a candidate, or his supporters. I have also contributed on many other non candidate threads here, in which I think I have made contributions, so what is the the point of pointing me, and others out?
I have nothing but respect for this board, and it's founder, so if he wishes that I don't post here he will let me know. I do honestly wonder what will become of this board in a few months if Rudy does become the nominee.
Will it go back to it's roots (which is what brought me here in the first place years ago) as an anti - Clinton forum, or will it let it's political influence fade as it becomes just another anti - Rudy site? Something to think about.
I have to leave for a while, so I am not ignoring any one if someone wants to respond. I will reply when I get back.
LLS
First off, the Daily Kos is anti-Clinton. Perhaps you accidentally stumbled on FR instead of a more fitting anti-Clinton yet more Liberal blog?
Second, ah yes......warning list talking point #2 from the Liberal GOP: “If you don’t support our liberal, you run the risk of marginalizing your influence!”
Thanks, but I’ll take that risk. ;-)
I’d give my last once of blood to stop Rudy from taking the White House as a “Republican.” I will spare no effort to save this party from Liberal takeover, none.
If you deem my comments rude, it's because I do not now, nor will ever, take kindly to threats from Rudophiles, even veiled ones. Terrorism is your whole campaign, and even defines your tactics when dealing with reluctant Conservatives. I will not give in to either the terrorism of the Islamofascists which seeks to have me submit in fear, or the terrorism of the Rudy Giuliani campaign which seeks to have me submit in fear.
As much as I despise Rudy I absolutely loath the Clintons. eight years is enough for me. In this case we should just work on rebuilding the party. Even if Rudy does win, he can’t do as much damage as Hitlery would do to our country if she takes over.
He can do much more damage, actually. Not even Hitlery can assure that every future election is a choice between two Liberal parties, but Rudy can - and he will.
Tell me, given the choice - Conservatism effectively dead and no Clinton, or Clinton for four years and effective Conservatism? I’ll take the latter.
No, actually you could not be more wrong.
Hillary’s damage would be much more short-term than Rudy’s.
If Rudy is nominated, watch the conservatives, the Republican Party base, walk away from the Republican Party for many generations.
Napkinuser has a Stop Rudy ‘08 list.
Thanks, but there’s nobody by that name at FR.
Ugh!
I also believe Spiff has a Stop Rudy list.
OR
Antonin Scalia or Samuel Alito or John Roberts.
I think the OR would more likely be Michael Mukasey times 3.
I lost the ability to download cookies from my pantry for a while.
It’s all better now.
Good to have you back.
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