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Heads up!! "The War" begins tonight on PBS
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Posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife

Edited on 09/23/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: mware

Wow. That must have been exciting.


61 posted on 09/23/2007 12:21:44 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: clinkclink

bump


62 posted on 09/23/2007 12:28:11 PM PDT by clinkclink
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To: John Jorsett
Burns gave in to Hispanic pressure groups that wanted more of their members to be included in the documentary.

Initially, Mexico had supported the Axis powers during the first years of the war, by trading with the Axis...This support ended when Germany and Russia broke the Non -Aggression Pact of 1939. Germany invaded Russia in 1941 and Mexico now pledged support for the allies...

It was only a day after Japanâs attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, that Mexico was once again forced to re-evaluate her European trade partners. Mexico severed its relationship with Germany and Italy on December 11, 1941...

Mexico was finally forced to declare war on the Axis on May 22, 1942, after Germany bombed two of its oil tankers, Portero de Llano (Plain Keeper) and Faja de Oro (Golden Belt) in the Gulf of Mexico. After the first tanker, Portero de Llano, was attacked on May 13, 1942, German propaganda alleged that the United States was the party responsible for the aggression. Although extensive propaganda was launched in an effort incriminate the United States, Mexican officials demanded full compensation and an apology from Germany. Germany responded to this complaint by sinking another tanker, Faja de Oro on May 22, 1942. It was inevitable that Mexico would soon have to more actively participate in the war. The Mexican Senate and Chamber of Deputies made Mexicoâs entry into the war official on May 30, 1942.

-http://www.lib.utexas.edu/exhibits/ww2latinos/narratives/02PEREZ_GALLARDO.HTML

Wonder if this is what they were after?They sure were reluctant to enter this war.Only after their own narrow interests were threatened did they act.Something for which they can truly be proud.I hope against all hope that Burns included this in his documentary.

63 posted on 09/23/2007 12:37:11 PM PDT by hschliemann
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To: Captain Peter Blood
It’s there, just look harder. For instance in his series on Jazz, except for his piece on Benny Goodman, no other white Jazz artists were profiled

Aside from Paul Whiteman, Artie Shaw, Bix Beiderbecke, Glenn Miller and Gerry Mulligan, that is.

the no talent Marsalis Brothers

... and that, right there, is the moment when you surrendered any shred of credibility. I have a lotof areas of disagreement with Wynton, but to describe the Marsalises as "no talent" is outright absurd.

Don't think so? Convince me. Pock up a horn and do what any of them do. I mean, it doesn't involve any talent, right? I'll give you a week.

My main gripe with Wynton is that he has a narrow view of what "real" jazz is -- he practicaly disowned Branford for going on tour with Sting. To me, jazz is a growing, evolving, organic thing -- and fusion is a natural direction for it to take. You wouldn't expect much from a Miles Davis recording of a Cyndi Lauper song, but "Time After Time" is beautiful.

But his comments in the Burns documentary are insightful, and he can illustrate them by playing licks in a way few jazz scholars can. He brought a lot to the serie, and while I disagree with him a lot, I didn't find anything objectionable in his comments in the Burns series.

Personally, I'd like to have seen more of Branford Marsalis and Harry Connick Jr. -- Connick was a piano student of Ellis Marsalis, and was practically a 5th Marsalis brother, and Branford and Harry are, as a team, the best ambassadors Jazz has. They're both more likable and engaging than Wynton.

64 posted on 09/23/2007 12:46:34 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Captain Peter Blood
I will stand by my remarks. I don’t like Burns or his slant on history.

You mean his 'leftest' slant on history, don't you? With the definition of leftist being any position you don't happen to agree with?

65 posted on 09/23/2007 1:18:05 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Stardust558; freekitty
We were fortunate to have such wonderful men as our fathers.

3 of us ended also serving the U.S. Air Force, mostly from the inspiration from dad.

There's a great book out there titled, The Last Mission.

It chronicles it well.

http://pweb.netcom.com/~jb29miss/

66 posted on 09/23/2007 2:08:47 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: freekitty
Thank you... and no... you're not an idiot.

I remember growing up at Milwaukee's Cudworth Post, American Legion Post. My father was post commander from 1967-68.

We met so many great men during that time. I've often wondered why it took Tom Brokaw so long to figure out something we had know decades earlier.

67 posted on 09/23/2007 2:12:16 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: mware
As I recall McCleenan ran as a Democrat against Lincoln and hinted that if he won the election he would make peace with the South.

Gen. McClelland was a prima donna of the worst sort. He had enough men, provisions and ammo that he could have taken Richmond 3 times over, but he sat in Hampton Roads sipping wine, keeping warm fat and happy while Lincoln kept sending more troops.

John F'n Kerry did a great impression of him. Staying clean and padding the resume, putting a notch in his belt for a Pres. bid. He is a sissy like McClelland was, too.

68 posted on 09/23/2007 2:24:03 PM PDT by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: Northern Yankee

I will see if I can find it. Thank you


69 posted on 09/23/2007 2:24:15 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: ReignOfError

Pal I don’t like either one of them and I do consider them medicore talent at best and that comes not only from me but people who did play and played well.


70 posted on 09/23/2007 2:27:47 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: VOA
YEARS ago, I read some of Ernest K. Gann’s books about his time in early aviation and into flying transport in WWII.

"Fate is the Hunter" by Gann is a fascinating description of his flying experiences before, during, and after the war. My old copy of this has fallen to pieces, and I just ordered a new copy from Amazon.

71 posted on 09/23/2007 4:45:33 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: submarinerswife

Hope it’s on rebroadcasts as PBS often does. They are starting it opposite daBears game.

I also hope it’s in HD. The Chicago WTTW HD over the air signal is outstanding.


72 posted on 09/23/2007 4:47:48 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: submarinerswife

Thanks! I have been wondering about when it was on.


73 posted on 09/23/2007 4:49:46 PM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: submarinerswife
He kept politics out of the documentry.

I heard Burns being interviewed by Bob Costas. Both of them are Lefties. Burns bowed to the pressure from Latino groups and added two Latino vets to the series after it had been completed. That is being political.

74 posted on 09/23/2007 4:51:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: submarinerswife
He may “keep politics” out, but emotional navel gazing, subtle messages and personal interpretation is a given with any Burns film.
75 posted on 09/23/2007 4:53:17 PM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: Yorlik803
Actually, it did not kill WWII reenactors. It brought more people in as such. Reenactors become historians and collectors, and change impressions as they grow within the hobby.

IMO, as a reenactor/living historian, I say the more the better.

76 posted on 09/23/2007 4:57:59 PM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
I will stand by my remarks. I don’t like Burns or his slant on history.

If you had listened to the Bob Costas interview of Burns this past Saturday on the radio, it would have made your blood boil. Costas is anti-Bush, anti-Rep and makes no bones about it. Ken Burns described self as a liberal and to the Left politically. They discussed the fact that blacks fought in WWII despite that they were denied equal rights at home. They compared WWII, the good war, to the "bad war" in Iraq. Burns said that this series would be from the perspective of the individual and not from those at the top. It sounded alot like a Studs Terkel opus filled with anedotal experiences set into an historical context. You can bet that there will a liberal message worked into the series.

77 posted on 09/23/2007 5:00:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: GoforBroke
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Your post containing the article from Army Times has to be removed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts

78 posted on 09/23/2007 5:04:07 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Non-Sequitur
War and Remembrance: Ken Burns's in-your-face documentary on World War II revisits the battlefield and home front of yesteryear. But for viewers, the subtext will inevitably be today—and Iraq.
79 posted on 09/23/2007 5:09:19 PM PDT by kabar
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To: freekitty
“They didn’t talk much about that war.”

My Dad (RIP) didn’t mind telling war stories. Although the most exciting it ever got was shooting at sharks (he was on a minesweeper in the Pacific). He said they all hoped to use their depth charges on a sub - but never got the chance.

My one Uncle was a bombadeer on a B-17 and completed the maximum 25 missions over Germany. Only found that out at his funeral. Another uncle still living was a electonics guy/ flight controller and was on Iwo Jima on D+3 getting the air field set up. At least that's what my mom tells me.

80 posted on 09/23/2007 5:12:35 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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