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BLUE SUEDE HSUS ( Hillary : money ethical problems )
instapundit ^ | September 12, 2007 | Glenn Reynolds

Posted on 09/16/2007 4:48:09 PM PDT by george76

Things aren't lookiing good. Hillary worried about these kinds of problems, but failed to prevent them:

" Of all the possible vulnerabilities ... Some sort of fund-raising scandal that would echo the Clinton-era controversies of the 1990s and make her appear greedy or ethically challenged."

Yet nine months into her campaign, Mrs. Clinton is grappling with exactly the situation she feared — giving up nearly $900,000 that had been donated or raised by Norman Hsu, a one-time fugitive and one of her top fund-raisers, whose actions raise serious questions about how well the campaign vetted its donors. As a result, Mrs. Clinton now finds herself linked to a convicted criminal who brought in tens of thousands of dollars from potentially tainted sources."

So they're returning the money. But then they're asking for it back:

" The campaign will try to get most of the donors to give the money back right after the refunds..."

But it doesn't seem like a very good plan, since there are worries about the donors, whose names the campaign still refuses to release:

Mrs. Clinton and her advisers are concerned that rival campaigns or the news media will dig into the background of each donor, and they want to be prepared if some of the donors end up having money funneled to them from Mr. Hsu or have shady backgrounds.

If the money was funneled from Mr. Hsu, it may have to be returned a second time, since the WSJ reports that it might be stolen:

" Where did Norman Hsu get his money?"

Meanwhile, Jim Geraghty notes conveniently shifting standards of responsibility:

" So let me get this straight... to Hillary, Norman Hsu gets the benefit of the doubt, but not General David Petraeus? "

I guess Petraeus neglected to donate.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: clinton; clintoncorruption; democrat; democrats; hillary; hsu; hsueckels; hsuicide; hsus; normanhsu; ratcrime
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" So let me get this straight... to Hillary, Norman Hsu gets the benefit of the doubt, but not General David Petraeus? "

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1 posted on 09/16/2007 4:48:10 PM PDT by george76
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To: Grampa Dave; Liz; neverdem; doug from upland; Congressman Billybob

Let’s not forget the Clinton campaign’s initial statement: “Norman Hsu is a longtime and generous supporter of the Democratic Party and its candidates, including Sen. Clinton,” Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for the campaign, said Tuesday.

“During Mr. Hsu’s many years of active participation in the political process, there has been no question about his integrity or his commitment to playing by the rules, and we have absolutely no reason to call his contributions into question or to return them.”

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzY1NDQ3MThmYzZjZGM0MTlkMDRjMGFhZmYzMWI5NGM=


2 posted on 09/16/2007 4:50:39 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Ethics?? Hillary don’t need no damn ethics!


3 posted on 09/16/2007 4:54:22 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: george76
The Clintons got away with everything in the nineties because alternative media was in its infancy. They count on the Drive-By Media to cover for them.

On the other hand, there's still plenty of time for the Drive-By Media to turn Hillary's accusers into villains, and for the Republicans to wimp out.

4 posted on 09/16/2007 4:58:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: george76

BTTT


5 posted on 09/16/2007 5:06:21 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: george76

God help the United States of America if this suint becomes President.


6 posted on 09/16/2007 5:07:31 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: vetsvette

Anyone wonder when the DOJ and/or FBI will investigate and expose all the Clinton “room temperature” associates? They could start with Vince Foster.


7 posted on 09/16/2007 5:12:44 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; weegee; Lancey Howard; river rat

Hopefully there will not be a third term.


8 posted on 09/16/2007 5:16:34 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
" So let me get this straight... to Hillary, Norman Hsu gets the benefit of the doubt, but not General David Petraeus? "

Geherty nails it!

9 posted on 09/16/2007 5:42:13 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: ghost of nixon
" So let me get this straight... to Hillary, Norman Hsu gets the benefit of the doubt, but not General David Petraeus? "

Let's recount the many times that Hillary's explanation for - pick your scandel - we were asked to suspend our disbelief and/or the "books were cooked".

10 posted on 09/16/2007 5:49:14 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“Anyone wonder when the DOJ and/or FBI will investigate and expose all the Clinton “room temperature” associates?”

That’s easy — Never.

The truth is that Clinton could have slit Monica’s throat in the Oval Office in the morning and played golf with OJ in the afternoon.


11 posted on 09/16/2007 5:49:20 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: george76

Democratic Presidential Candidates to Conduct Criminal Background Checks of Major Donors

The scandal surrounding the illegal campaign donations to Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) by suicidal fugitive Norman Hsu has stirred action in several campaigns. Senator Clinton reversed her original decision to donate only Hsu’s personal $23,000 contribution to charity and agreed to return the entire $850,000 she received from Hsu-linked donors. In addition, Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said the campaign would be seeking assurances from donors that they’re not criminals before accepting their future contributions.

The Edwards and Obama campaigns have said they will conduct similar rigorous measures to ensure that “dirty money” doesn’t affect the outcome of the race.

“The decision to tighten the scrutiny of donors did not come easily,” said Wolfson. “As Democrats we take pride in representing all the people. Up to now, this has included criminals. We’re not entirely comfortable with an exclusionary policy. This is what the Republican Party does. It’s ugly and it’s not the kind of America we want to live in. But to avoid being smeared for our ‘open-arms, open-palms’ policy, we’re going to have to live by their rules, at least for now.”

In related news, Senator Clinton expressed her disapproval of the $5 million bail set for Hsu. “This exorbitant bail will keep Mr. Hsu safely behind bars,” Clinton complained. “It’s like he’s being punished before he’s had a fair trial. He shouldn’t have to suffer like this. What he really needs is someone to help him relieve his pain.

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


12 posted on 09/16/2007 5:52:55 PM PDT by John Semmens
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To: george76
since there are worries about the donors, whose names the campaign still refuses to release:

Of course they do! They can't let on how they knew who the straw donors were so quickly!

13 posted on 09/16/2007 5:55:52 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Jeff Chandler
“The Clintons got away with everything in the nineties because alternative media was in its infancy. They count on the Drive-By Media to cover for them”

..... or the media back then had alternative things to cover like the OJ Simpson circus.

Interesting enough with OJ getting in trouble again, the circus is back in town.

How convenient. Right?

14 posted on 09/16/2007 6:00:49 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: george76

No comment on the article, but for the love of Pete, can we PLEASE stop with the inane plays on “Hsu”? Not a one of them has been creative or funny or even memorable. They’re childish, stupid, and focus more attention on the intellectual deficit of the writer than on the issue at hand. Enough!


15 posted on 09/16/2007 6:03:21 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: John Semmens

” What he really needs is someone to help him relieve his pain.”

“Osama” Clinton speaks............. A hidden message in her response............


16 posted on 09/16/2007 6:06:52 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“Anyone wonder when the DOJ and/or FBI will investigate and expose all the Clinton “room temperature” associates? They could start with Vince Foster.”

I don’t know. Let’s ask the AG. Oh wait, there is no AG.

Things that make you go hmmm...............


17 posted on 09/16/2007 6:35:54 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: John Semmens

“He shouldn’t have to suffer like this. What he really needs is someone to help him relieve his pain.”

Yes, I bet Hillary would like to ‘put him out of his misery’.


18 posted on 09/16/2007 8:15:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (((Wi arr mi kidz faling skool ?)))
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To: george76
Nonetheless, they wound up taking lots of money from a fugitive felon who may have embezzled it from business partners, then routed it through straw donors to avoid federal election law. And yet they're hoping to get the money in the end anyway? Doesn't sound smart to me.

Sounds as if someone is having difficulty making an honest buck. Hillary's appeal apparently has its limitations.

19 posted on 09/16/2007 9:17:30 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; EQAndyBuzz; ExTexasRedhead; IronJack; The South Texan; CaptRon; vetsvette

well , I’m still scratchin’ my head though , at HOW LUCKY HRC IS ! ! !

there are teams of journalists working this story , but Sir Edmund Hillary Clinton reaps the benefit of ,..

1. Wall-to-Wall Petraeus/Iraq Hearings coverage on the Sunday morning shows , ..

and then . . .

2. O.J. “The Murderer” gets arrested , sucking the remaining oxygen from the TV coverage , sheeeesh!


20 posted on 09/16/2007 9:49:00 PM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: Dad yer funny
The MSM networks are basically Hillary Networks. They would only cover the story if Hillary said they could. OJ and Petraeus however might actually be helping to provide cover for the Israelis. You know the loony tunes would love to slam Israel over this ‘unwarranted illegal raid’. OJ is hogging all their face time. So heck, now is the time to get some stuff done. The MSM is in full Cover Hillary’s Big Rear End Mode, so we could probably attack Iran and all the MSM would do is OJ, OJ, OJ and more OJ.
21 posted on 09/16/2007 11:38:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: george76

This plus the Paul case spells trouble for the beast.


22 posted on 09/17/2007 4:59:05 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Union work: comparable value for twice the price.)
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To: george76

Outstanding post. Hooray Glenn Reynolds!

OUTSTANDING FReeper comments! BTTT!


23 posted on 09/17/2007 5:02:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: george76

Everything the Shrillery-beast says and does requires a “willing suspension of disbelief” from the public — yet this B#### [rhymes with witch] has the nerve to attack the integrity of General Petraeus, one of the outstanding military leaders of our lifetimes....


24 posted on 09/17/2007 7:46:51 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: potlatch

It was just a Hillary fundraiser!


25 posted on 09/17/2007 7:53:39 AM PDT by devolve ( ------- ---When fiction becomes reality things get wet--)
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To: george76
" Where did Norman Hsu get his money?"

This is the question of the moment.

The investigator(s) who uncover this, who determine if this money is a pay-off or quid pro quo with the clintons and the red chinese will, imo, deserve a Pulitzer Prize.

There is a very logical and HIGH probability that very serious stuff is behind this, I imagine everyone realizes this. ( Oh those cozy White House coffees with the red chinese conduits. Shades of John Huang. )

A connection with a red chinese funneling of state money into her campaign coffers would absolutely open the door into hitlery's dedication to 'any means to an end', even if it means a serious betrayal of her own nation. Follow the money, ALWAYS follow the money.

26 posted on 09/17/2007 8:01:13 AM PDT by Republic (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Mark Levin have a genuine passion for our nation!)
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To: george76
“During Mr. Hsu’s many years of active participation in the political process, there has been no question about his integrity or his commitment to playing by the rules, and we have absolutely no reason to call his contributions into question or to return them.”

Good reminder of the clinton camp's initial response.

A re-reading now that more info has been uncovered suggests that Wolfson may have been unusually honest in his statement. "There has been no question about his integrity" = "Hell, yes, we knew from the get-go the man was a slimeball. That's why we told the Secret Service, 'no questions.' "

And "we have absolutely no reason to call his contributions into question or to return them" = "The FEC, FBI, SEC, and IRS might have reason, but we sure the hell don't. Don't you know who we are?"

They claim to have "vetted" him, but their own explanation of that is laughable. They said failure to turn up his criminal background must have been because they "used inadequate search terms." Most likely translates to: they googled the guy. Does the Secret Service use google and "inadequate search terms" too? Pfft.

27 posted on 09/17/2007 8:19:48 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: Eroteme

No controlling legal authority ?


28 posted on 09/17/2007 8:25:34 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Jeff Chandler

One of Hillery’s first moves will be the “Fairness Doctrine”. That should take care of any alternative media.


29 posted on 09/17/2007 8:47:49 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: george76

Some Hsu contributions:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Hsu&first=Norman


30 posted on 09/17/2007 8:58:25 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: Republic; 97BravoUSA

Hsu was kidnapped in 1990 by a “Chinese gang.” That was Kwok Chung Chow (AKA Raymond “Shrimpboy” Chow) who described himself as once being in charge of all the San Franciso Chinese gangs. It wasn’t a kidnapping. A cop pulled a car over at 3 plus AM, with 4 Chinese guys, and one of them (Hsu) said he was being kidnapped. He was being roughed up. (Begs the question “What for?”) There’s no record of a kidnapping charge against Chow, who is now a model (sure) citizen of Chinatown, SF.

Li Tu of Asian Research describes a battle underway in SF Chinatown between Chinese who allegiance is to Taiwan versus those supporting the PRC (eg, Chow).

Allen Leung, a prominent Chinese businessman supporting Taiwan, was murdered (in a crude effort to make it look like a robbery) in March ‘06. There’s a battle underway.

Hypothesis: Chow was, may still be, Hsu’s handler. (Hsu got roughed up cause he was probably palming some of his operating capital.) Rosenman is a front man for injecting RPC funds into the Clinton Campaign. Chow was and Rosenman is trying to turn a profit importing Made in China knock-off of brand name labels. (Who cares whether Gucci makes bags in China. If so, all that much easier to knock-off.)

Hsu is a smoozer who woos the likes of Kerrey and other politicians with offers of money. Nothing new there. He’s a front for a foreign government trying to influence the Presidential election here. That’s not so new either, unfortunately.

Will any of this ever get proved? Unlikely. Too many cut-outs.

by 97BravoUSA


31 posted on 09/17/2007 9:01:02 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
" So let me get this straight... to Hillary, Norman Hsu gets the benefit of the doubt, but not General David Petraeus? "

That would make for a great campaign ad....

32 posted on 09/17/2007 9:01:17 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1895124/posts?page=142#142


33 posted on 09/17/2007 9:03:54 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Heather J. Fong is the San Francisco Police Chief, IIRC.


34 posted on 09/17/2007 9:10:09 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: george76

35 posted on 09/17/2007 9:24:19 AM PDT by Gritty (I’m sick of Karl Rove’s bullshit - Bill Clinton to New Yorker Magazine)
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To: george76

bump!


36 posted on 09/17/2007 9:33:07 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: george76

Here’s an interesting article.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=i_team&id=5311873


37 posted on 09/17/2007 9:37:13 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: The South Texan
Rush just said the exact thing...”I don’t want to go through OJ again and I don’t want to go through the Clintons either!”
38 posted on 09/17/2007 9:55:48 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: khnyny

thanks


39 posted on 09/17/2007 9:58:42 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: devolve; george76; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000

Lol, I see some ‘blue’ on “A Boy Named Tsu’s” shoes!!


40 posted on 09/17/2007 10:29:07 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

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LOL!

You know Chinese products are tainted!


41 posted on 09/17/2007 10:33:31 AM PDT by devolve ( ------- ---When fiction becomes reality things get wet--)
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To: devolve

[You know Chinese products are tainted!]

For sure, and the list grows longer!


42 posted on 09/17/2007 10:37:01 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_))
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To: george76

Me? I’m just relishing all these headline writers getting all the mileage out of this “Hsu”.

Wonder if the comic strip “Shoe” will do a Sunday run under the temporary name “Hsu”? Do the whole strip in Cantonese; THAT would be a real gas!


43 posted on 09/17/2007 10:44:12 AM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: george76

Glenn Reynolds is falling for the CRAP that the Clintons are giving the money back.....WHO TO, GLENN??? WHERE”S THE PROOF?????? ARE the PAW’s going to get ANY....have they YET?? GLENN....Ed Morrissey.....you are EASILY SWAYED by the DEMOCRATS....WISE UP!!!


44 posted on 09/17/2007 11:42:37 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: John Semmens

Has HSU received ANY returned money?????? have the PAW family??? NO ....NO MONEY HAS BEEN RETURNED!!!! What....they sent HSU’s money to the Colorado JAIL??


45 posted on 09/17/2007 11:45:02 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: george76

And Woodstock ROSENMAN is in on this WITH the Clintons and HSU...he was NOT DUPED!!!


46 posted on 09/17/2007 11:45:56 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: patriotspride

WOW!!!! That is TRULY a “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest” statement by Hillary!!!!! She wants someone to “relieve” HSU of his pain, by putting him out of his misery!!!!!!!!!


47 posted on 09/17/2007 11:48:15 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Hillary wants someone ELSE to knock off HSU....that’s what that means.


48 posted on 09/17/2007 11:49:10 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: george76

You need to put that info on EVERY Hsu thread!!


49 posted on 09/17/2007 11:51:21 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Dad yer funny
“well , I’m still scratchin’ my head though , at HOW LUCKY HRC IS ! ! !”

Just more of the same “luck” that allowed her to turn $1K into $100K overnight while betting on cattle futures.

50 posted on 09/17/2007 1:02:47 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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