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Baby In Hot Car Reminder Devices
cfnews13 ^ | 09/06/07 | AP

Posted on 09/06/2007 6:47:06 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: jiggyboy
A shocking display of the lack of even the most rudimentary knowledge of heat transfer. Maybe she also thinks that you'll die in fifteen minutes if you stand outside when it's below freezing.

Well, somebody does. Our schools were closed for two days last winter because it was "too cold". Ugh!

41 posted on 09/06/2007 7:04:05 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading: I eat a candy bar then pay my kid $10 to run around the block)
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To: Puppage

GOOD ONE~!
Ok photoshoppers here- we need photo of a baby with warning labels posted all over her


42 posted on 09/06/2007 7:04:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Puppage
Soooo, it wasn't their fault. Why, no one REMINDED them of thewir child in the car.

They didn't need to be reminded.

A witness saw them WAVING GOODBYE to the child as they walked towards the store. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1891632/posts

43 posted on 09/06/2007 7:07:18 AM PDT by Sax
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To: TornadoAlley3

so sad that someone needs to make a device to remind parents their child is in the carseat in the car alone where they left them.

I was a working mom for a very short time after my first son was born and I can’t figure out how I could have ever forgotten him. Never forgot my youngest son either. I just don’t get it!


44 posted on 09/06/2007 7:07:30 AM PDT by Halls (I hate Socialism!)
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To: Midtowngirl

“Maybe I’m a cynic, but I believe in every case the child was left in the car deliberately.”

most of the cases I’ve read about, there was an issue with dropping off the child at daycare

I remember one dad was asked by his sick wife to drop off the baby and she put the child in the car.
There was some confusion as to whether he heard her, and I think if he had been the one to load the baby things may have turned out differently.
Needless to say...he drove to work and didn’t realize anything was wrong until he got the call from his wife “did you drop off the baby?”

There was a thread recently about 2 doctors who had their baby with them and there was confusion about which one would take the child to daycare.

I think people are just overly busy and if they’re asked to do something that is out of their ordinary routine, and communication is poor - the poor baby gets forgotten.


45 posted on 09/06/2007 7:08:04 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: TornadoAlley3
News 13's Karent Castillo turned on a faucet in a kitchen sink. At its hottest temperature, it reached 120 degrees. If you put your hand under the water for more than five minutes, it would become a third-degree burn. This is the same temperature that detectives said the 22-month-old girl felt while inside her mother's car Tuesday.

Just an aside, but this is a perfect example of reporters not knowing squat about even basic science. Water holds more heat than air at the same temperature, and water transfers more of that heat to skin in a given period of time. Metal holds even more, which is why you can quickly burn your hand on metal that is 100 degrees F, but air at 100 degrees F is just uncomfortable (and dehydrating over time, of course). In other words, this is a ridiculous comparison.

46 posted on 09/06/2007 7:08:20 AM PDT by piytar
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To: PeteB570

My boys went and got into our car to play when it was in the garage in 100 degree heat. I was in the shower. When I got out and realized where they were they got in such big trouble.
Needless to say they now realize the car is not a place to play hide and go seek in!


47 posted on 09/06/2007 7:08:57 AM PDT by Halls (I hate Socialism!)
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To: TornadoAlley3
coming up with ways to remind parents there child is in the back seat.

Bad writing aside, who the heck needs a reminder that their kid is in the car?

Even when he was asleep, I never forgot once that my son was in the car. There's a sense of him, a presence. Same as anyone else.

Do these people not feel it?

Is he not in your mind, all the time? Sure you talk about other things, you listen to the radio, you try to read the map, but how can you forget?

On trips, we would tag-team at the service station - one would hit the rest room, the other stay with the baby. Even without the heat issue, I wouldn't leave him alone in a car.

And I wonder if anybody who would "forget", would remember to buy such a device anyway?

It's all too damn easy for some people to treat their kids as a possession.

48 posted on 09/06/2007 7:10:42 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Mygirlsmom
"There is no problem that the judicious use of high explosives cannot solve." -- Lazamataz, July 12, 2005
49 posted on 09/06/2007 7:12:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why isn’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: TC Rider
It’s a neat idea, but I believe that most of the people who would do such a thing will never buy this device.

Include it with the child safety seat, since those are required by law. It shouldn't really add that much to the expense of the seat.

50 posted on 09/06/2007 7:20:21 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: netmilsmom

Shoot, I had my son in the front seat giving him a bottle while driving, more than once. If you have to get somewhere, the last thing you need is a screaming hungry baby facing rearward in the back seat where you can’t get to him. That happened to me once when he was just a few weeks old and I had to take my mom to the airport. On the way home I got caught on the freeway with him screaming, and there was nowhere for me to pull over and feed him. I decided right then that putting a newborn in the back seat facing backwards was just dumb.


51 posted on 09/06/2007 7:23:24 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Thanks anyway, Nancy, but we already have a Commander-in-Chief!)
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To: Scotswife
most of the cases I’ve read about, there was an issue with dropping off the child at daycare

Yes I know of one from a lady I worked with a few years back. The husband always dropped the child off at daycare, but on this day the mother had the child. The child was asleep, and she was running late for a presentation.

She simply forgot and was devasted. No way she intended to harm her child. It was so sad to witness.
52 posted on 09/06/2007 7:28:34 AM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
At its hottest temperature, it reached 120 degrees. If you put your hand under the water for more than five minutes, it would become a third-degree burn. This is the same temperature that detectives said the 22-month-old girl felt while inside her mother's car Tuesday.

An utterly irrelevant comparison.

53 posted on 09/06/2007 7:30:13 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
If the Safety Nazis had not required airbags and forced parents into putting infants in the back seat, parents would not ferget they were in the car. I would be willing to bet that fewer than 26 babies ever died from being in the front seat of a car before airbags were required. When I had my first child I would often put him in the front seat for short trips. I never forgot about him!

There was an article a couple of months ago that showed that the year putting children in car seats in the back became mandatory, the annual number of these deaths tripled, and stayed at the same rate year after year since.

So yes, it appears that about 2/3 of the time, this happens because the child is out of sight and people just forget.

54 posted on 09/06/2007 7:33:19 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: massgopguy
One of the posters reads; Would You Leave A Million Dollars In Your Car?. Well, would you?

Nope. I wouldn't put it in my car at all except perhaps once or twice for a specific special occassion. More likely I'd put it in a plastic container and bury it.

55 posted on 09/06/2007 7:35:22 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: tiki
Exactly, when my kids or my grandkids were in my vehicle I was usually talking to them and if they went to sleep, I was checking them out in the rear view mirror.

Who can resist watching a sleeping child anyway?

I tend to watch nearby traffic instead. :)

56 posted on 09/06/2007 7:39:55 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: generally
On the other hand, when I was a kid, my parents often left us in the car while they ran into the store, though never in high heat where we could have died. I never felt abused or neglected and still don’t.

When I was a kid, it wasn't an issue to roll down the windows...and without electronic windows, I could do it myself with the car on or off.

57 posted on 09/06/2007 7:42:09 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: scan59
Trouble with the device is that most people leave car seats buckled in the car.

Right, but I understood it to mean it was connected somehow to the buckle in the kid/baby seat.

To add a comment about the reporter, someone else explained it well, the difference between temperature and heat transfer. Truth is, most people dont fully understand, but they do have a gut feeling for it, its why a piece of metal, or a glass of water at room temperature always feels colder than the temperature of the air (unless room temp is higher than body temp).

Another comment, sure, its irresponsible, but stuff like this DOES happen, and sometimes it happens to decent people. Although like someone else pointed out, a product marketed to prevent such a thing, would surely be the subject of a law suit if it in anyway failed to prevent such a horrible thing..

58 posted on 09/06/2007 7:45:20 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: piytar
Water holds more heat than air at the same temperature, and water transfers more of that heat to skin in a given period of time. Metal holds even more, which is why you can quickly burn your hand on metal that is 100 degrees F,

Water generally holds more heat than metal. Metal just conducts heat better. Your comparison of water to air is apt.

59 posted on 09/06/2007 7:46:47 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: massgopguy
Nah, I would put it in my freezer:)
60 posted on 09/06/2007 7:47:22 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last..)
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