How A Dark-Horse Can Win The Nomination (strategery for 2nd tier, RP)

TheWandererPress.com (Catholic newspaper), via Buchanan.org & TomRoeser.com ^ | 8/29/07 | Tom Roeser

[Nephi]

Some good advice from an old GOP campaigner that applies not only to Ron Paul but to the rest of the second-tier candidates as well...Duncan and Tanc and Huckabee supporters should take notes.

This strategy can’t be used by other dark- horse candidates ( Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Sam Brownback, et al.) since to some degree they echo the regular Republican establishment bloc.

[mnehring]

Huh? When did the Xlintonoids ever come clean?

I said staffers (or associates) come clean (and were trashed by the Clintoon machine because of it..) Ever hear of Betsy Wright, Cheryl Mills, Carl Bernstein (author & associate, not staffer) or Sonya Stewart just to start...

[Badeye]

the funniest part is watching his supporters squirm to find excuses for those votes, even though, if those votes were cast by any other candidate, they would scream RINO.

That does cause a smile when I see it happening here.

[Badeye]

That’s right Badeye. I forgot that Romney, Thomspson, Guiliani and the rest of them are so exciting that 40 thousand people are taking to the streets, creating their own campaign events, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money on these exciting, inspiring campaigns! That’s why Republicans swept Legislatures across the country in 2006!

Oh wait, never mind.

Ummm, none of those you mentioned ran for anything in 2006.

Most of the voters aren’t paying any attention, because its still to early to do so, despite the wants and desires of the heads of the RNC and DNC respectively.

At this point in 2000, nobody was ‘in the streets’. Nor in 1998, 96,94, 92, 90, 88, 86, 84...etc etc etc.

Such is the result when you live in the dream world of the Ron Paul supporters.....

[mnehring]

Question.. WHO are the 40 thousand people taking to the streets for Paul? I would bet that 95% of those do NOT represent Conservative values and instead are latched to Paul’s anti-establishment/9.11Truther causes.

[George W. Bush]

This strategy can’t be used by other dark- horse candidates ( Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Sam Brownback, et al.) since to some degree they echo the regular Republican establishment bloc.

Other candidates can't get an autistic campaign scheduler who won't play favorites with local activist friends? They can't get a professional and quiet driver? Most of all, they can't copy from Reagan's Deaver-devised radio strategy playbook.

I thought the radio angle was interesting, given how Salena Zito (pro newspaper writer from PA) documented how the Dims used soft-attack talk radio ads to help Webb and others win in '06, booking up all the available time to spread their message and drive up GOP incumbent negatives.

[Badeye]

Landon proved to be an ineffective campaigner who rarely traveled to make appearances. Most of the attacks on FDR and social security during the 1936 election were developed by Republican campaigners rather than Landon himself. In the two months after his nomination he made no campaign appearances. As columnist Westbrook Pegler lampooned, “Considerable mystery surrounds the disappearance of Alfred M. Landon of Topeka, Kansas.... The Missing Persons Bureau has sent out an alarm bulletin bearing Mr. Landon’s photograph and other particulars, and anyone having information of his whereabouts is asked to communicate direct with the Republican National Committee.” [Time, Aug. 31, 1936]

Landon grew up here in Ohio.

[George W. Bush]

Such is the result when you live in the dream world of the Ron Paul supporters.....

At least we have you here with us in our "dream world", Badeye.

[Badeye]

‘Of course. And the Paul-haters at FR (like you) troll these threads endlessly, spewing thousands of known falsehoods against Dr. Paul to FUD him or misrepresent him because he is such a non-threat?’

I don’t think anyone in this forum ‘hates’ Ron Paul. Most of us just understand he has absolutely no chance at the nomination, even less chance in a general election cycle.

Its still a relatively ‘slow’ political season, so ANYTHING that gets posted about ANYONE will get ‘attention’ here in the forum.

It is a political website, remember?

[Badeye]

‘At least we have you here with us in our “dream world”, Badeye.’

(chuckle)

Nope, just peeking in from the outside, sorry.

[ksen]

I always find it funny that people are in good graces with someone until they write an expose, then suddenly, they are trashed as a nutter.. sounds like how the Clinton camp treated it’s former staffers who came clean.

What a coincidence because I always find it funny that people are in good graces with FReepers until they say something critical about GWB or the GOP, then suddeny they are trashed as a nutter.

[mnehring]

I can second that.

[George W. Bush]

Even Duncan Hunter, whom I really could support, by the way; they strike me as too bland. They are ideologically sound, I suppose, but where's the pepper?

Now I'm an RP guy but I really like Duncan as do some other RP folk. He's got plenty of fire, a very good record as Armed Services chairman and ranking minority committee member and on the border fence.

Duncan's got plenty of fire. So does Ron Paul.

[Badeye]

‘Question.. WHO are the 40 thousand people taking to the streets for Paul? I would bet that 95% of those do NOT represent Conservative values and instead are latched to Paul’s anti-establishment/9.11Truther causes.’

Its the GOP version of Dean’s run in 04. It will implode the moment the first ballots are actually cast in a ‘real’ primary...not the internet polling nonsense, nor the laughable ‘straw polls’.

[George W. Bush]

Its still a relatively ‘slow’ political season, so ANYTHING that gets posted about ANYONE will get ‘attention’ here in the forum.

A lot of the info posted as attacks on RP are about as dishonest as you can get.

These attacks are repudiated by the mainstream and conservative press repeatedly. Only some wingnut Paul-haters keep posting such bilge. We see several blatantly dishonest posts on this thread where the poster deliberately quotes the article selectively to avoid conveying its actual intent. Like the ones asserting Ron Paul is an antisemite when the writer of the article specifically rejects that earlier position and apologizes for saying it.

[Badeye]

These attacks are repudiated by the mainstream and conservative press repeatedly. Only some wingnut Paul-haters keep posting such bilge. We see several blatantly dishonest posts on this thread where the poster deliberately quotes the article selectively to avoid conveying its actual intent. Like the ones asserting Ron Paul is an antisemite when the writer of the article specifically rejects that earlier position and apologizes for saying it.

As you know, I’m not ‘one of them’.

That said, whats your view of the former Paul campaigner, the guy that was with him for at least a decade, and his story from yesterday here in the forum?

[elhombrelibre]

The funny part, to me, is this is a candidate who is getting 1 - 2% in the polls. He may get 7- 13% in the less stringent straw polls. He does win some meaningless online polls. So the guy is destine to lose the nomination as a Republican, destine to return to Texas as a congressman, and possibly destine to run for president again as the Libertarian he truly is. Yet his fervent supporters feel they’re in fine shape to give campaign advice. They’re a hoot.

[George W. Bush]

That said, whats your view of the former Paul campaigner, the guy that was with him for at least a decade, and his story from yesterday here in the forum?

I think in his early involvement in politics, he was energetic and useful, good at building bridges among various factions. I think he got full of himself and thought, as some staffers occasionally do, that they are the actual congressman. When Dondero went off the Libertarian deep end, Ron Paul fired him, largely because no Republicans or Libertarians would work with him any more. Ron Paul was the last one to abandon him. His views on legalizing prostitution for our military certainly could not be squared with Ron Paul's own history as a flight surgeon. His ideas about legalizing drugs are very far from Ron Paul's decriminalization policy on lesser drugs. Dondero got involved in some state-level operations and promptly destroyed all of those as well while trying to gloryhound other folks' hard work. And that nutty language book he wrote is a complete joke and a scam.

Dondero once had a bright future as a staffer, perhaps even building up to becoming a congressman himself. He threw it all away, mostly over his own idiosyncrasies and personality issues.

[Badeye]

The funny part, to me, is this is a candidate who is getting 1 - 2% in the polls. He may get 7- 13% in the less stringent straw polls. He does win some meaningless online polls. So the guy is destine to lose the nomination as a Republican, destine to return to Texas as a congressman, and possibly destine to run for president again as the Libertarian he truly is. Yet his fervent supporters feel they’re in fine shape to give campaign advice. They’re a hoot.

that is one of the more amusing aspects, to be sure.

They mean well.

[George W. Bush]

Yet his fervent supporters feel they’re in fine shape to give campaign advice. They’re a hoot.

The writer, Roeser, is not a Ron Paul supporter. He merely discusses how a dark horse can emerge on a low budget. He thinks this strategy would only work for Ron Paul. I don't agree for the reasons I've given. A Huckabee, a Hunter, a Tanc, they could all benefit from this strategy.

But then, you'd have to actually read the article to know that which would take time from your usual trolling.