Posted on 09/04/2007 7:31:07 AM PDT by presidio9
Rise in power assertion by the state.
Bipolar disease is another one of those made-up maladies, from the made-up “sciences” of psychiatry and psychology, all of which are created to provide paychecks to those who made the stuff up.
Kind’a like the old time witch doctors and the evil spirits.
That’s my opinion and I’m stickin’ to it!
I don't think any doctor should be diagnosing teenagers as Bipolar, for exactly the reason you give. Also, Bipolar, in it's true state, is progressive, incurable, and often fatal. Better to let teenaged angst work itself out, and then revisit the mood swings.
That being said, I was attracted to your post, because it indicatates a common misconception that socity has about Bipolar. It is not the case that people who suffer from the disease have "mood swings" the way a teenager does. Real Bipolar disorder is characterized by prolonged and dibilatating depression, with syptoms that are as much physical as they are emotional. These are interspersed with periods of mania, which may be highly productive early on, but which become more and more irrational as time goes by. Eventually, the mania includes periods of hallucination and other delusions. Finally, the mania and the depression begin to co-occur. Without medication, the end result is ususally death, either by suicide, or by risky behavior that includes substance abuse. Sixty percent of all individuals with Bipolar Disorder are dually diagnosed with an addiction to drugs or alchohol. The higher success rate in these individuals for overcoming their drug and alchohol after they are given proper medication use indicates that they were self-medicating with drugs and alchohol. Unfortunately, those methods are highly inefficient when compared to lithium, and some of the anti-seizure drugs being employed today. When properly medicated, Bi-polar individuals are some of the most productive members of society today.
“I knew someone who had genuine bipolar disorder, which in those days was called manic depression. The symptoms were so extreme that no one had to prove anything.”
So did I. It was apparent to all that he needed help. He flew into horrific rages. He has been on medication for years and has been stable.
Presidio.....
My daughter is faking.
She threatened suicide all the time. She STILL threatens suicide. She’s thrown her life down the crapper.
I don’t know how she diagnosed as bipolar. frankly....they get depressed? She never gets depressed. She does fake or threaten suicide from time to time but as I understand it she has to keep up the game in order to keep that government check coming. So every year and a half or so she must spend some time in the loony bin but hey, the girl’s got the game down.
Once, when she was about 16 and in yet another mental health facility for a suicide threat (she had a direct line to suicide prevention) she got in a bind. See, she HATED the ward she was in. I don’t know why as at that time I was a world-weary woman trying to help this girl. But Janie, let’s call her, HATED that adolescent ward and she wanted out. Most times, I don’t know why, Janie LOVED her time in the loonie bin. I know it defies logic but I do not lie about this.
Anyway I got a call from the loonie bin folks to come out, that Janie desperately wanted me. So I went out and there was Janie’s shrink, there was me, and there was Janie.
“Mom, get me out of here,” Janie said, sobbing. “I hate it here, Mom. Mom, I’ve been faking. all along I’ve been faking. There’s nothing wrong with me.”
I looked at the shrink, utterly shocked at what I heard. I am an accountant. I had excellent health insurance at the time and Janie knew it.
“Mrs. Smith,” the shrink said to my confused and horrified expression, “sometimes mental patients make assertions like Janie just did when they are dealing with something in their therapy they do not want to deal with”.
I dunno, it was all psychobabble. Janie really wanted me to get her out of there and at the time I was the only one who could. I didn’t know what to do. Finally I left her in there because this was early on in my many years of misery and before I ever suspected that one could fake such a thing.
After that little admission, however, husband and I both kept a close eye on Janie. We caught her lying on computer bulletin boards. We caught her writing notes to school friends filled with lies. We caught her time and time again lying and deceiving.
Eventually, hey, she turned 18, thank God. Now Janie and I have a deal. She’s allowed to continue her fakery but not with me. When she goes in the loonie bin for her semi-annual vacations I NEVER go visit her. She know it. Our unspoken deal is.....let’s not talk about it. Frankly this is the first time I’ve ever written such a thing in a public setting.
I’m not proud of her but she’s got the finest little girl in the world who in her three short years on earth has been denied her mother on at least three occasions as Janie took annual leave to the loonie bin.
But hey, there are those who would accuse me of being unsympathetic, of not helping my poor mentally ill daughter.
bullshit. There ain’t a thing wrong with the girl.
She figured out how to game the system and she’s a damn good setup. She gets a monthly check of about $600 bucks, she doesn’t have to work and she doesn’t WANT to work. She’s got a husband who’s an idiot.
She’s got a beautiful little girl who’s the light of my life.
I love my daughter, please believe I do. She knows I know she’s faking. We get along.
But there ain’t a thing wrong with the girl yet you and I pay for her fakery.
I am not proud of her and I’d tell my story to anyone who would listen but I tried this years ago.
“is something affecting the chemistries/electrical activity of young brains?”
Give me a few and I’ll be able to clearly blame the feminists.
I think some are desperately looking for a way to blame anything but themselves for their kids.
I am of the opinion that different studies are indicating increases of cases certain conditions in order to broaden the appeal for socialized medicine. I sure there are other studies that indicate no change or less numbers that are considered "press-worthy".
An organic brain condition that is truly clinically identifiable and backed up with lab/imagery, etc is worthy of treatment. The whims and income requirements of the various cottage industries that have piled on this “opportunity” seems criminal to me.
Yeah, you are confused. But I give you a break for not even knowing it. Your mistake is that you form an opinion on all forms of Bipolar, but you lack the reqisite familiarity to do so. I wonder if your opinion would be similiar if we are talking about Schizophrenia instead of Bipolar. I wonder this, because up until a generation ago, Type I Bipolar, with its hallucinations, and delusions, was frequently misdiagnosed as Schizophrenia. It sounds to me like you don't have a lot of experience with mental illness in your family, and for that I am happy for you.
Pretty much, yes — if it has to do with the body. Bipolar disorder does show up on MRI scans.
Ah! Another fabricated alibi for bad parenting and worthless education. Next at a theater near you — BISD (Bush Induced Stress Disorder)!
I am real sensitive to kids and their needs. I work as a school nurse and see so many kids on medication. There was a little girl in 6th grade was diagnosed with bipolar and IBS soon after her parents really messy divorce so she got a lot of TLC from us. I have to admit at that time I questioned the diagnosis and I only hope they were right.
The good news is I see her now at the High School and she she seems to be doing real well with a wonderful bright smile....I do not know the reason, I am just happy to see her doing well. I am little more relieved when I see the prescription written by a psychologist rather than a general practitioner or pediatrician.
"Also tell your doctor if you experience new or increased gambling, sexual, or other intense urges while taking Requip".
Sounds like the cure causes allot more problems then a few restless legs.
Diagnosing everyone is a good way to remove the firearms rights of the younger generation, say they have a mental disorder and then they will be denied firearms on their background checks...
I know someone who has done the same thing. She has taken it a step further though and is priming her 11 year old daughter to walk in her footsteps.
Type I Bipolar is easily recognized and identified as a mental illness. It is characterized by two or more periods of mania that included psychotic behavior.
The person I knew with manic depression had a long period of hypomania where he travelled a lot, made friends all over the world and had some impressive accomplishments. This became more extreme to the point where he threw a large party and sent invitations to numerous world leaders including the president and the Dalai Lama. (I guess you would call it mania at this point.) Then he went into a long period of depression that seemed to last the rest of his life.
So this does not seem to exactly fit either of your definitions. There was really only one phase of mania, but it did progress to psychotic behavior.
“bi-polar” is crap. Even you know it.....your schpeel about “type 1” and “2” began with the honest diagnosis of manic-depression, then evolved into the catch-all “bipolar”.
Soon, the Stepford sirens will be going off at intervals to mark the occasion of medication time for the victims, LOL.
“Bipolar” isn’t a medical term or diagnosis any more than a direct-current circuit is. But it fits the fancy, sensitivities, and manipulative requirements of some.
Type I Bipolar is easily recognized and identified as a mental illness. It is characterized by two or more periods of mania that included psychotic behavior.
The person I knew with manic depression had a long period of hypomania where he travelled a lot, made friends all over the world and had some impressive accomplishments. This became more extreme to the point where he threw a large party and sent invitations to numerous world leaders including the president and the Dalai Lama. (I guess you would call it mania at this point.) Then he went into a long period of depression that seemed to last the rest of his life.
So this does not seem to exactly fit either of your definitions. There was really only one phase of mania, but it did progress to psychotic behavior.
All I can say is wow. Just wow. I think my story is so odd and yet I know it is true. My husband knows it too.
My daughter if she has a mental illness, would be some weird love of hospital and medicine. As an adolescent, the age when she cut her teeth on the fakery, she did her best to fake PHYSICAL ailments. But you can only fake physical stuff so far.
One great effort was her attempt to be diagnosed with Lupis. She was in the hospital and had been as the medicos tried to figure out what was wrong with her. I don’t know what symptoms she had for this occasion, she had a childhood full of them. I defend myself to my death that I did what any mother would do and that was to try to get her “cured”.
So she had this rash on her face. It seems that Lupis has a symptom involving an odd shaped rash on your face. Of course I didn’t know this but daughter did. Oh, btw, daughter is extremely intelligent. They test her for Lupis, test comes back negative. Doct tells me, go to this dermatologist because that rash isn’t because of Lupis but she’s got something on her face.
So I take her to dermatologist and he examines her. He calls me into his office, quiet like, with the daughter. Tells me there is NO rash on child’s face...it was, and I quote...”pigment”.
“Pigment?” I say.
Pigment is PAINT, is it not? Dermatologist shakes head affirmative. I ask him....then daughter is faking? He nods affirmative. I ask him to please notify doctors in HMO, that this child is driving everyone crazy. Which she was. And school people too.
Dermatologist says...nah, he don’t want to bother. Well why not? He got his bucks.
Daughter’s faking. I know it. She knows it.
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