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Immigrant surge leads U.S. toward half billion people
Long Beach Press Telegram ^ | 08/30/2007 10:35:45 PM PDT | Lisa Friedman

Posted on 09/02/2007 10:38:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
That's just ridiculous. No one is talking about going back down to a population of 30 million. 200 to 250 million is just fine. And that amount would provide all the military protection necessary.

Exactly who in the hell is going to invade us that we will need 1.5 BILLION armed citizens in order to repel them...??

Aliens from outer space...?

61 posted on 09/02/2007 11:55:31 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Alberta's Child

Okay, I have an idea. We have already allowed California and Florida to be colonized and taken over by the Third World. The East Coast is one, big crappy, worn out and overcrowded megapolis. Everybody who thinks we could use a few hundred million more people here gets to go live in the underpopulated parts of Utah, North Dakota, New Mexico, West Texas, Arizona, South Dakota, Nevada, Wyoming and Montana.


62 posted on 09/02/2007 11:57:01 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Age of Reason
If you chooses to live in a densely populated area, why complain about population density?

I like coastal beaches. But I like mountains, hills and rivers too. There is appeal in big cities, but suburbs and the country have appeal too. There is nothing boring about “flyover” country to anyone with an open mind and an ounce of imagination. Boring people are bored. I have no desire to return to either coast.

63 posted on 09/02/2007 11:59:36 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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To: rob777
One of the biggest problems facing just about all developing countries, including the U.S., is the comming demographic decline that will result in too few workers supporting too few retirees. An immigration surge is one answer, provided it is accompanied by welfare reform.

The US is a developed country, not a developing one. The world's population will continue to increase for the rest of this century up to 9 billion from the current 6 billion. We have 54 million Americans today between the ages 16-64 who are not working. We can still meet our need for workers if we reduce, not increase legal immigration. The average age of today's immigrant is 29. Under current immigration policies we are bringing in non-workers due to etended chain migration, e.g., aged parents and relatives of immigrants. And as the Rector study demonstrates, we are importing poverty.

64 posted on 09/02/2007 11:59:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What is not mentioned is that many of these will be speaking there own language, not be learning English, nor conforming to U.S. cultural norms. Imported along with them are third world behaviors, realities, and more gangs as well. I was just thinking the other day how California is getting low on gang members so yoo hoo!! (sarc)
65 posted on 09/02/2007 11:59:50 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: kinghorse

Parts of Europe (such as France) also have blood dishes, and have had those dishes for over a millennium, even before the European population boomed after the Age of Exploration and brought new resources to Europe and also the medical advances of the recent era. Wouldn’t consider that to be because of a large population, but more of an Amerindian using-the-complete-animal, and the pre-Columbian Amerindians in what is now the United States definitely were not overpopulating the land (estimates have their population at around 1 million).


66 posted on 09/02/2007 12:00:06 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Cyropaedia
The rest of the world (or much of the world). Population: roughly 6.4 billion currently.

Opinions of the United States are very low, and have been for a long time--much longer than the Iraq conflict.

Of the opinion that the United States should be able to defend the country against all the rest of Earth's states, and win.

67 posted on 09/02/2007 12:03:43 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Beats me how people are still out there thinking there will be no such thing as a NAU style, or equivilent of it, on the horizon.

Each month things keep happening to march us in that direction.

The Pesos for pizza business is opening more around the country. I guess this is how the call for a common currency will happen.

Such a sad thing. Old Hillary will usher in the socalist government. Bushes will take off for Paraguay. Lucky them.


68 posted on 09/02/2007 12:05:11 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: indylindy
Paraguay?

Paraguay's poor--and landlocked (apparently a bad thing since having a coastline seems the rage).

69 posted on 09/02/2007 12:07:35 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: 3AngelaD
Uh, does anyone remember voting for this to happen, or voting for an elected representative who advocates that this come about? I don’t.

Nope. Nata one.

However I do remember a few people I have helped put into office push this reality on the populous long after the votes were counted and their years in office cemented going way back to the 1980's. Shameful.

As a Republican and conservative I have to say I am ashamed about this being activated most grossly during our reign(s).

I like to think that Reagan would be rolling in his grave today, if he could see what has happened to his lovely Santa Barbara and the rest of the state. Pathetic.

To think this is only going to get worse and with the advent of the pilot program allowing 100 Mexican trucking companies to drive over 540 Mexican truck on our freeways, highways, and city streets in the next year and then after that in limitless amount, I find myself grateful God did not bless my husband and I with children. I would not want to raise a future generation to live in this.

Thanks elected officials for leaving this legacy to your grossly overpopulated, third world nation . . . America, my sweet home. Sarc. Very sad.

70 posted on 09/02/2007 12:09:42 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
A large population is helpful not only economically, but also militarily. Ideally 100 million armed American citizens would be able to repel an invasion, but they'd still be weaker than 1.5 billion armed Americans.

Nonsense. Why do you think China and India are trying to reduce their population growth? If 1.5 billion Americans seem like a good idea to you, how about 3 billion? The USG's pro-population growth policy expressed thru legal immigration should be put to a vote by the American people. Do we want a population of almost 500 million within the next 60 years? I don't, especially given the problems associated with assimilation and massive demographic shifts.

71 posted on 09/02/2007 12:11:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

The Bush family bought a lot of land down there. Thats the reason I mentioned it. I am sure their property is remote from the poverty stricken. Heard Big Daddy Bush bought down there too.

Its odd, the Clintoons bought property elsewhere too. Can’t remember where.


72 posted on 09/02/2007 12:11:45 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Age of Reason; kabar
Any answers?

If you've stopped reading these comments, wouldn't blame you (they have dragged out quite a bit). Still, your views on how many Americans there should be could be helpful; another freeper has given a figure of 250 million.

73 posted on 09/02/2007 12:12:03 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: montag813
It is not too late to return to the pre-insanity levels of 1965.

Being someone who can remember those days, I hope you are right.

74 posted on 09/02/2007 12:14:31 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: kabar
Off topic, but if space colonization was made feasible, and the United States expanded to other planets, would support a population in the quadrillions or larger.

For Earth, a population large enough to take on the rest of the world combined (which is also why support Canada and Mexico becoming part of the United States--more land and resources comparable to the rest of the world, instead of the roughly (and relatively paltry) 1/16 of the world's landmass the United States covers today).

75 posted on 09/02/2007 12:15:42 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Thanks for letting us know you lack common sense.


76 posted on 09/02/2007 12:15:53 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Pelham

Such manners.


77 posted on 09/02/2007 12:16:38 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: misterrob
50% in 53 years? That’s a bit substantial. Gonna need a lot more governent to administer all of the social services they will demand. Nice way to keep wages down as well.

Don't forget the redistribution of income to pay for the social services. Yep, illegals can come here and live off of other people and older people who are American citizens who have worked and paid taxes their entire lives cannot get the services they need. Disgusting.

78 posted on 09/02/2007 12:19:10 PM PDT by New Girl
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Opinions of the United States are very low, and have been for a long time--much longer than the Iraq conflict.

Of the opinion that the United States should be able to defend the country against all the rest of Earth's states, and win.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read here at FR. You are so paranoid it is ridiculous. Pull your head out of your ass.

There is a profound difference between having a low opinion of a country and actually launching a full scale military invasion of that nation. Trust me, that will never happen.

79 posted on 09/02/2007 12:21:12 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Watch your language.

Seems that the overwhelming consensus on this thread is that the American population is too high, and that large populations are bad. And that countering viewpoints (currently coming from one source on this thread) are shot down.

Respect your opinion and the others expressed here, but disagree with them. A large population has many advantages. As does, occasionally, paranoia (which seems a tad extreme--you don't have a clue about what will happen centuries in the future [if the world even lasts that long]; the rest of the world aligning into a state or organization as a counterbalance to the unipolar United States might not be such a farfetched idea--indeed, more than a few prominent anti-Americans have already proposed such a union).

So, how's this for a proposal:

You can try to be polite and have your opinion, while will also try to be polite and have this one?


80 posted on 09/02/2007 12:31:28 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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