Policemen (or folks impersonating policemen) can be predators, too.
However, children should never approach either of these two (and I don't mean the dog):
Posted on 08/23/2007 8:56:44 AM PDT by goldstategop
When children get lost in a mall, they're supposed to find a "low-risk adult" to help them. Guidelines issued by police departments and child-safety groups often encourage them to look for "a pregnant woman," "a mother pushing a stroller" or "a grandmother."
The implied message: Men, even dads pushing strollers, are "high-risk."
Are we teaching children that men are out to hurt them? The answer, on many fronts, is yes. Child advocate John Walsh advises parents to never hire a male babysitter. Airlines are placing unaccompanied minors with female passengers rather than male passengers. Soccer leagues are telling male coaches not to touch players. [photo] A Virginia public-service ad that angered fathers'-rights groups.
Child-welfare groups say these are necessary precautions, given that most predators are male. But fathers' rights activists and educators now argue that an inflated predator panic is damaging men's relationships with kids. Some men are opting not to get involved with children at all, which partly explains why many youth groups can't find male leaders, and why just 9% of elementary-school teachers are male, down from 18% in 1981.
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Not only that but we’re teaching men to be fearful of children, especially female children.
I use to tell son if he was ever lost to go into a store, up to a cashier, and ask them to call security or the police.
Amen.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Worse to me is we are teaching our children that female’s are always safe. This is just not true. A lost child should be taught to only approach a policeman
( fireman,etc) or go to a set meeting place. In a mall this could be the information booth, the food court or well exposed public place. In a park it could be the swings. But teach them to go to a safe place and stay there until you arrive. They should be taught how to dial 911 from a payphone if one is available. On no count should they go off with any stranger. Male, female, young, old, black, white. Anyone could be a predator.
Why so? In a world without men (well just a few locked away as sperm donors until an alternative could be found) and only women, wouldn't it essentially be low-crime, low-violence, peaceful and loving place?
Since we no longer live in the wild where male strength and competitiveness was required for survivial, wouldn't a world civilization without men simply be more, well, civilized?
Of course how does one then treat homosexuals and trans-gender folk. Ahh it all gets so complicated.
Seriously though, we don't quite have this issue as portrayed in Germany in terms of what kids are being taught, but if I think about what I might want my daughter to do if she got lost, going to a woman who a stroller seems like a pretty good choice over a single, lone male.
Now in the jungle she is probably safer with the man. In the shopping mall, I don't think so.
My husband is about to start his fifth year of coaching girls’ soccer. I do worry that some crazy parent someday will accuse him of inappropriate contact with their daughter.
Well most sexual predators are men, except for school teachers of course.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
“Our society encourages misandrogynist attitudes.”
This sounds like lib whining. Look, it’s based in reality. If a child seeks out an adult for help, chances are excellent that they will find someone safe and capable. BUT, men do have a higher percentage of pervs/creeps in their midst. It’s just a fact. I’m ok with directing kids towards female adults.
What offends me is the stereotype of men on tv that portrays men in one of 2 ways: Either men are stupid incompetent fools who need women to direct them, or they are evil, manipulating, conscience-less b*stards. That bothers me.
The anti-family crowd want to get rid of that so they can’t replace the traditional family - self-sufficient and the raiser of children, with a weak, dependent social unit.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
True. Our society is hostile to persons with both male and female characteristics.
I think you mean "misanthropic".
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
My girls had male soccer coaches for years. They were wonderful men. If our experience is any guide, the girls and their parents will never forget him for all that he does. Eternal gratitude, much love.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
“If males are irrelevant, then we don’t need marriage or children. When you stop to think about it, the liberal ideal of a good society is a feminized one. “
Been said many times. I’ve agreed with this for a long time. Lib men tend to be feminine. In their approach to all things, libs tend to have feminine sensiblities. Look at diplomacy. Libs would rather talk, talk, talk. There is no problem that can’t be solved by talking it out. Sound familiar?
“I think you mean “misanthropic”.”
I think the orignal poster had it right:
misanthropic - hate people in general
misandrogynist - hate men
How does a child, or anyone for that matter, know who is, "a good person"?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Oh, but men? Sure. Those guys can't be trusted. Unless they're homosexual. Then it's OK. But heterosexual guys are just bad news.
The correct word is “Misandry”, the male equivalent of “Misogyny”.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?sourceid=captaincaveman&q=misandry
” How does a child, or anyone for that matter, know who is, “a good person”? “
When I was growing up (insert ‘dark ages’ joke here) adults were assumed to be ‘good’ and deserving of respect.
Period.
(Side effect — we wanted to grow up to be ‘good’ and deserving of respect.)
“What offends me is the stereotype of men on tv that portrays men in one of 2 ways: Either men are stupid incompetent fools who need women to direct them, or they are evil, manipulating, conscience-less b*stards. That bothers me.”
Me, too. As an evil, manipulating conscience-less b*stard who needs women to direct me, I just don’t seem to really fit in to either group.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Here is the thinking that is polluting our society and scaring our children. Not only are white, Christian men unbelievably stupid and moronic, they are also dangerous predators, just waiting and lurking to turn into crazed monsters. Did I get it all?
The statistics are the statistics. Most sexual predators are men. If we're not going to make it "wrong" to act that way and severely ostracize those that engage in it, we have to live with what's left.
I have a seven year old girl. No one has ever watched her over night other than family, and the parents of her friends with whom we are close. The only men I've ever left her alone with are men who I would trust to guard her life.
I expect that to continue for the foreseeable future because protecting her is my primary responsibility in life. All the rest is window dressing.
“How is a man supposed to behave today?”
Hopefully, conservatives are helping their boys with this. The best thing that a boy or young man can have is an at home role model. I’m more traditional in my role, so my boys see me as a problem solver, and a breadwinner. I do the heavy lifting. :)
I think it’s very difficult for a young man dating today. Women are told they are the power, that they should have it all, do it all, and that their man should be the same. So, women are looking for a manly, strong, smart guy who has lots of money, and can cry and be sensitive, and appreciates interior decorating, and craft shows, and... you get the idea.
And as their standards for a man have grown, women are increasingly told men are flawed, and don’t hesitate to kick them to the curb.
No wonder young men are confused, and tend to resist committing to marriage.
It should actually be “misandryst” or “misandrist”; a misandrogynist would either hate men and women, or would hate persons of indeterminate sex. Note the “gyn” in the original, which is the feminine designation.
“Not only that but we’re teaching men to be fearful of children, especially female children.”
I don’t even dare to talk to them.
No. Society is teaching our men to fear females. We are teaching our females that men are not important in a family structure.
As for who is the safest, here we teach our little one’s that most people are good but it only takes one bad person to hurt you and that bad people may not look ugly or act mean. Men, women, young or older.
I actually think directing children towards women with strollers is a good idea. The maternal instincts are more likely to be active. I know that I have stopped to help a child once, while in the mall with my family. I could tell from a distance that the child needed help. Hubby, who is a wonderful father, just kept walking. He knew where his children were and that they were safe and that’s as far as he went. He didn’t even see the kid.
That being said, while at the fair this year, I pointed out ever police officer we saw and told my four year old if she got lost, find a police officer and he will help you. Every one was a man and I, in the end, would feel more confident with a police officer caring for my child than pretty much any other stranger.
“The correct word is “Misandry”, the male equivalent of “Misogyny”.”
Thanks!
“Me, too. As an evil, manipulating conscience-less b*stard who needs women to direct me, I just don’t seem to really fit in to either group.”
In your case, I think you just have “issues”. ;)
Same when I was growing up, my daughters would insert dinosaur jokes here, but in this day and age I don't think the chance can be taken by a child that any adult is "good and deserving of respect".
When my duahgters were young I told them if they got lost to only approach a uniformed security guard, an information booth, a policeman, or a fireman.
If there were none of those around they were to dial 911, explain the situation, and ask for a policeman to come pick them up.
I was willing to face a charge of child endangerment for letting them get lost before I would allow them to approach just anyone.
And the perverse side-effect of that is that teenage girls, frustrated by the lack of masculinity they find among their own relatives and friends, are instantly drawn to the exaggerated hyper-masculinity of hip hop thug culture - and they find there the very types of men most likely to hurt them.
Feminists sure knew better, didn't they? ;)
Misogyny is the hatred of women. Misandry is the hatred of men.
“Androgyne” = andros (male) + gynos (female); an “androgynous” person is a person with both male and female characteristics. Misandrogyny is, therefore, a hatred of those with both male and female characteristics.
“Anthropos” = man (the species), therefore misanthropic = anti-human.
Mis - bad
andro - man
gyn - woman
Therefore, the misandrogynist hates all people.
“This sounds like lib whining. Look, it’s based in reality. If a child seeks out an adult for help, chances are excellent that they will find someone safe and capable. BUT, men do have a higher percentage of pervs/creeps in their midst. It’s just a fact. I’m ok with directing kids towards female adults.”
You’re going to catch hell for that.
But not from me.
Reality is reality. It doesn’t matter that there are exceptions. Just as we know now, that crime is committed way out of proportion to their numbers by the black population. Here in FR, you won’t be condemned for acknowledging that - but imply men are worse - oh yes.
But then, I’m surprised “the authorities” have instructed children to get help at all. It’s always seemed to be “never talk to strangers” to me, implying NEVER. So, a young child could get in a lot of trouble because he refuses to take anyone’s hand, etc.
I just don’t like how our society is big into fear-mongering, including making everyone seem suspicious.
Now, I wouldn’t read too much into this specific example. I basically tell my little children the same thing. I tell them to first look for an employee or someone in a uniform. If they can’t find one of those, then look for another mommy with little kids. The stark reality is that a—most people aren’t evil child predators and b— out of those that are evil child predators, moms pushing other little kids in strollers are the least likely group to be a child predator. Plus, another mom would be more likely to understand what a little child/ toddler is saying and/ or know that they’re in trouble.
It doesn’t mean men are bad (my children would never think so, Daddy’s much nicer than Mommy), it just means I am reacting to the factual data that shows men are more likely to be dangerous to my kids than women with children.
The recent debacle about the woman who shot her minister husband in the head while he slept is an excellent illustration of the disconnect. Without showing abuse or self-defense, that murderer served two months in jail and is now a free woman.
We're being conditioned to view men as aggressive, dangerous, out-of-control morons and all women as victims of male oppression.
No coincidence. A weakened, impotent society is one that demeans masculinity while affirming a false and corrupted femininity. Certainly Ms. Rodham comes to mind as a perfect example.
You don't have to go that far. Just pull up some of the old Susan Smith threads on FR and look at all of the posts attempting to cast blame on her husband when she murdered her two children.
Misandry, sometimes called Androphobia, is the hatred of men, for being men. While usually ascribed to women, it is also theoretically possible for males themselves to be misandrist. Unlike misogyny (a pathological aversion towards women), misandry has been little discussed or investigated. Some masculists maintain that misandry has been rampant for thirty years, due to feminist advocacy, and has become a social pathology. ...
This would have been better than your construct while still falling short of being a traditionally accepted word; the world has long known the word and concept of misogyny but has no equally pejorative term for men.
These guys then confirm that all men are like this and the circle continues. Fathers have got to be allowed to be important role models in their kids lives. Some dads are making it work but IMO, every other weekend and 2 weeks in the summer just doesn’t cut it.
I worked with a woman whose former husband was a coach. He had a ‘relationship’ with a student and she divorced him.
He is still coaching and still preying on teenage girls. She is remarried and happy.
Policemen (or folks impersonating policemen) can be predators, too.
However, children should never approach either of these two (and I don't mean the dog):
Which dog? Bill or the Lab?
Sounds like a liberal to me.
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