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Iraq: Baathists 'disown al-Qaeda'(To open "Dialogue" With Iraq Government!)
ADNKronos International ^ | 8-22-07 | ADNKronos

Posted on 08/22/2007 9:56:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Baghdad, 22 August (AKI) - The leader of Iraq's banned Baath party, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, has decided to join efforts by the Iraqi authorities to fight al-Qaeda, one of the party's former top officials, Abu Wisam al-Jashaami, told pan-Arab daily Al Hayat.

"AlDouri has decided to sever ties with al-Qaeda and sign up to the programme of the national resistance, which includes routing Islamist terrorists and opening up dialogue with the Baghdad government and foreign forces," al-Jashaami said.

Al-Douri has decided to deal directly with US forces in Iraq, according to al-Jashaami. He figures in the 55-card deck of "most wanted" officials from the former Iraqi regime issued by the US government.

In return, for cooperating in the fight against al-Qaeda, al-Douri has asked for guarantees over his men's safety and for an end to Iraqi army attacks on his militias.

Recent weeks have seen a first step in this direction, when Baathist fighters cooperated with Iraqi government forces in hunting down al-Qaeda operatives in the volatile Diyala province and in several districts of the capital, Baghadad.

Although the Baath party was officially banned after US-led forces in 2003 toppled the regime of Iraq's late president Saddam Hussein, its members have fought in the insurgency.

Until just a few months ago, former Baath party members were helping Islamists carry out terrorist attacks against US forces in Iraq.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedainiraq; alqeada; baathists; baathparty; iraq; terror
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Democrats, Leftist Liberal Socialists damaged most by this news...
1 posted on 08/22/2007 9:56:15 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

So nice to see this reported. In Italy. /s


2 posted on 08/22/2007 9:57:17 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

More bad news for American Liberals.

Chrissy Matthew’s and Olbermans’s heads are going to explode!


3 posted on 08/22/2007 9:57:50 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: tcrlaf
Until just a few months ago, former Baath party members were helping Islamists carry out terrorist attacks against US forces in Iraq.

Oh, but that's impossible.

Ba'athists are hardcore secularists who would never have anything to do with Islamists like al-Qaeda.

That's what the traitorous anti-war posters here keep telling me.

4 posted on 08/22/2007 9:58:39 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: tcrlaf

Can the Baath party be trusted or is it anyone’s guess at this point?


5 posted on 08/22/2007 9:59:17 AM PDT by moonman
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To: tcrlaf

Things lookin up and gettin brighter-
al-Qaeda gang bang continues.
The Surge = The Big Bang


6 posted on 08/22/2007 10:00:17 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: moonman

We’ll see. Trust but verify.


7 posted on 08/22/2007 10:01:01 AM PDT by Califelephant
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To: moonman

I think they have been beaten so badly that they realize they are on the wrong side of history at this point.

They may hate US, but they are IRAQI’S first, and have GOT to see the slaughter looming if we fail...


8 posted on 08/22/2007 10:01:15 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: tcrlaf

But... but... the surge isn’t working! MSM told me all about it!/s


9 posted on 08/22/2007 10:02:10 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: tcrlaf

This is HUGE if (and really only if) this is real.
Al-Douri is the head of the Baathist faction of the Insurgency. Getting them over and against Al-Qaeda is groundshifting.


10 posted on 08/22/2007 10:03:23 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: tcrlaf
i>Recent weeks have seen a first step in this direction, when Baathist fighters cooperated with Iraqi government forces in hunting down al-Qaeda operatives in the volatile Diyala province and in several districts of the capital, Baghadad.

Patently false. Everyone knows there is no Al-Qaeda in Iraq! /s

11 posted on 08/22/2007 10:03:26 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: tcrlaf

.....He figures in the 55-card deck of “most wanted” officials ......

Isn’t he the red headded one? He must suuender and be brought to jusitce. There is no pardon for him.


12 posted on 08/22/2007 10:05:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: moonman

According to the Washington Post, we have been paying some of these guys to join forces with the US and Iraq Government. Some are tribe leaders who may have fought against coalition forces. Hopefully this does not bite us in the azz.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080302322_pf.html


13 posted on 08/22/2007 10:06:43 AM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: tcrlaf
“In return, for cooperating in the fight against al-Qaeda, al-Douri has asked for guarantees over his men’s safety and for an end to Iraqi army attacks on his militias.”

Sounds like a good ole fashion surrender to me.

14 posted on 08/22/2007 10:06:56 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: SolidWood; tcrlaf
Not sure I would trust al-Douri....but the Headline is Big....

Saddam's Guys Give Up

15 posted on 08/22/2007 10:09:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: moonman
They most likely cannot be trusted, but, it appears that they hate al Qaeda more than they hate the USA. They can see that we will be eventually leaving. Resolving their differences with the Kurds, Shiites and moderate Sunnis may not be easy, but many former NAZIs in Germany turned into reliable citizens. Of course some like al Douri may never be redeemable.
16 posted on 08/22/2007 10:10:30 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: tcrlaf

"The war is lost."

And the Democrats are deeply disappointed because this messes up their strategy to gain power.

17 posted on 08/22/2007 10:12:06 AM PDT by Obadiah (Nothing says, "Get off my lawn" like the inscription of a claymore - THIS SIDE TOWARDS THE ENEMY.)
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To: SolidWood
Al-Douri is the head of the Baathist faction of the Insurgency

The King of Spades - The biggest target left.
18 posted on 08/22/2007 10:12:16 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: The South Texan; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; ...

Love it....


19 posted on 08/22/2007 10:14:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: moonman

Trust, but cut the cards.

R. Reagan

I doubt that every member of the Baath Party was a rabid Saddamist. I say take a chance; grant them an opportunity to redeem their past, but endow them with trust slowly and with caution.


20 posted on 08/22/2007 10:14:50 AM PDT by Elsiejay (,)
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To: tcrlaf
"Could we have another round of antacid for the Democrat side of the aisle please?"

DNC Daily Talking Points:

Iraq is a disaster.

We're losing in Iraq.

We can't win in Iraq.

The Surge can't work.

The Surge isn't working.

There's a civil war in Iraq.

The Surge isn't working that well.

The Surge is working but Iraq doesn't have a government.

Even if we win in Iraq we can't stay there forever!!!

Land shark!

21 posted on 08/22/2007 10:16:22 AM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Obadiah

Mental Health Clinics across America warned to prepare for an incoming surge of leftist Democrats with Exploding Head Syndrome!


22 posted on 08/22/2007 10:17:47 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: Obadiah
He has got to be one of the ugliest people I have ever set eyes on.

Carolyn

23 posted on 08/22/2007 10:18:45 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: tcrlaf
This is a very positive development.

I always that the so-called "de-Baathification" strategy was stupid.

If the Baathists make a deal with the ruling Shiite parties, Iraq will be well on the road to stability.

24 posted on 08/22/2007 10:18:46 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

A LOT of the attacks on American troops were done by Baathists/Criminal gangs PAID by Iran, AQ and others.

They were for sale to whomever had the highest dollar.

Now that things are changing on the ground, they see which side they need to be on. They may be murderous thugs, but they aren’t stupid...


25 posted on 08/22/2007 10:23:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: tcrlaf
A LOT of the attacks on American troops were done by Baathists/Criminal gangs PAID by Iran, AQ and others.

I seriously doubt Iran paid any Baathists. Do you have sources to support that contention?

That the Baathists cooperated in with AQ is certain, though, yes, and they attacked our guys numerous times.

Alliances change and shift constantly in that part of the world. Your enemey yesterday may be your ally today. That's the reality.

26 posted on 08/22/2007 10:32:06 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: moonman
Can the Baath party be trusted or is it anyone’s guess at this point?

No one in Iraq can be trusted.

Alliances there aren't based on trust, but on mutual self interest.

27 posted on 08/22/2007 10:36:21 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: moonman
Can the Baath party be trusted or is it anyone’s guess at this point?

No one who believes in the Koran can be trusted.

28 posted on 08/22/2007 10:37:11 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: tcrlaf; All
Its pretty sad when liberals and Democrats that have been cheerleaders for failure in Iraq don't even have support from a political party for sicko tyrants on there side being demagogues along with them. Instead this socialist structured government similar to Hitler, Stalin and Khmer Rouge has condemned Al Qaeda and not followed through helping Democrats in their wish to have another Vietnam.
29 posted on 08/22/2007 10:43:42 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Prokopton
No one who believes in the Koran can be trusted.

I'd say most Baathists don't really believe it. They pretend to for political purposes, like many Democrats pretend to believe the tenants of Christianity. They'll make alliances with Islamic extremists when it's convenient, and then turn around and brutally massacre them when it suits them.

The bottom line is that no entity or group in that part of the world can be trusted, regardless of their devotion to Islam.

Historically, however, few alliances in any part of the world were based on trust.

30 posted on 08/22/2007 10:43:42 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: SolidWood
Yes and it’s good to see the Baathists EARN reconciliation.
31 posted on 08/22/2007 10:44:02 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (FRee your mind.)
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To: All
sorry meant their side not there side
32 posted on 08/22/2007 10:46:10 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr; Ernest_at_the_Beach

He finally realized that he cannot win against the US so he figured out to surrender in a “honorable” way by making peace with the Iraqi government.


33 posted on 08/22/2007 10:51:12 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: curiosity

“I always that the so-called “de-Baathification” strategy was stupid.”

The greatness of our country, and our military, is our ability to adapt. we thought that de-baathification would liberate the country, but uncovered a big sectarian split in the process.

The press has their panties in a bunch over the fact that some of the former sunni insurgents are now allies with us in getting Al Qaeda. Yet we never wanted to make enemies of any particular group, we simply want these groups to join the democratic process.
We dont have permanent enemies if they lay down their arms.

So this is positive, as it shows the unravelling of the insurgency.

“If the Baathists make a deal with the ruling Shiite parties, Iraq will be well on the road to stability.”

The main impediment to peace in Iraq is the fact that neither side has been so far willing to do so. The US is acting as honest broker between these factions. The baathists had previously thought by attacking the US the could regain power. But in the past year, the Iraqi Govt got strong enough, and shiite faction-based enough, for the Sunnis to see US as their ally not enemy in the brokering for power. All the Sunnis needed was proof that we could actually deliver on security ... and the ‘surge’ was the catalyst.


34 posted on 08/22/2007 11:10:58 AM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: tcrlaf
That’s it then. The insurgency is over.
35 posted on 08/22/2007 11:11:35 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (FRee your mind.)
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To: Thrownatbirth
The King of Spades -(Correction) The SECOND-biggest target left. Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
36 posted on 08/22/2007 11:31:54 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: tcrlaf

37 posted on 08/22/2007 12:04:58 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: tcrlaf
This is Hugh and Series
38 posted on 08/22/2007 12:08:24 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: tcrlaf
"AlDouri has decided to sever ties with al-Qaeda and sign up to the programme of the national resistance, which includes routing Islamist terrorists and opening up dialogue with the Baghdad government and foreign forces,"

This is big - really big. I've always believed that dissolving the Iraqi Armed Forces after the invasion was a huge mistake. If it holds true, it will be a HUGE step in defeating alQuaeda in Iraq.

Take THAT, Reid!
39 posted on 08/22/2007 1:54:14 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: rineaux
Some are tribe leaders who may have fought against coalition forces. Hopefully this does not bite us in the azz.

It makes sense to question the reliability of these tribes and militias coming in from the cold, but it also makes sense that they would do so. After seeing the US military close up, and Bush's implacable determination, they may just figure that the game is up. Better to stifle AlQaeda, establish an uneasy peace long enough for the Americans to (largely) go home, then see what differences need settling, without us OR Alqaeda in the mix.

40 posted on 08/22/2007 4:34:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: tcrlaf

Ba’athists have been more pragmatic secular than most over there. Their association with Alqaida was possible only because Alqaida is also secular if not pragmatic.


41 posted on 08/22/2007 4:36:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: RightWhale

“Until just a few months ago” What they mean is “until the surge a few months ago”


42 posted on 08/22/2007 4:39:28 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: tcrlaf

The Surge is Working and the Rats are in the Trap

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


43 posted on 08/22/2007 4:40:48 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: tcrlaf
Amazing! Iraq’s banned Baath party joins the US Coalition fighting for Iraqi freedom, peace, and democracy and establishes a stronger stand against Al Qaeda than Senator Reid(D-NV), Speaker Pelosi(D-CA), the Democrat Party, their International commie ANSWER and Code Pinko cohorts.
44 posted on 08/22/2007 5:58:07 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We should keep the hand clapping down to a minimum until this news is verified via other sites. MNF web site would be a real plus in the verification process.
Soooo, old Izzat must have run out of monies to support his part of the insurgency. He must realize the IG cannot just give him a free pass. Or can they?
Will piss off one hell of a lot of Shia that had loved ones die under Saddam. But I hope it is verified. Sure could put the final nails in the coffin for AQIR. Along with a lot of other groups that have taken part in the insurgency.
Al-Douri had a lot of bucks that where moved to Syria that have supported various elements of the insurgency.
Wonder if he ends up turning himselve in if, some of the little lion's Intel and secret police will end up being exposed for their part in the insurgency.
45 posted on 08/22/2007 6:21:08 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Hunter in 2008)
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To: moonman

IMHO the Baathists from Syria are probably negotiating with the Iranians on partitioning Iraq. Since the RATS are going to try and go in this direction, it makes sense.


46 posted on 08/22/2007 7:22:06 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: SolidWood
FYI--I haven't seen this on Drudge yet.....

If only this was true, and the election was this November, there wouldn't be a democrat left standing.

47 posted on 08/22/2007 7:32:57 PM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: tcrlaf

There’s weeping at the DNC over this news.


48 posted on 08/22/2007 7:42:52 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Thanks E.

At Iraq’s front line, U.S. puts ex-foes on payroll
Washington Post via Reuters | August 22, 2007 | Peter Graff
Posted on 08/22/2007 1:09:52 PM EDT by jedward
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884885/posts


49 posted on 08/22/2007 9:47:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 20, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TigersEye

LOL! Nailed it! Democrats are morons and on the wrong side of history, it seems.


50 posted on 08/22/2007 10:21:29 PM PDT by sagar
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