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Why Is There No Liberal Karl Rove?
North Star Writers Group ^ | August 16, 2007 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 08/16/2007 11:25:48 AM PDT by Dan Calabrese

If Karl Rove was responsible for dividing America and shredding the Constitution – heady achievements for a political consultant – inquiring minds want to know:

Who is the liberal Karl Rove?

And since the answer is obviously, “There isn’t one,” perhaps we can glean something from asking why.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; dickmorris; georgesoros; getrove; jamescarville; media; rove; zogbyism
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1 posted on 08/16/2007 11:25:49 AM PDT by Dan Calabrese
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To: Dan Calabrese
There are actually several.

Some of them are good, some of them ain't.

2 posted on 08/16/2007 11:27:12 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Dan Calabrese

Who is the liberal Karl Rove?

Bob Shrum. the Anti Rove.

In all ways you can measure, except gender.

Rove wins...Shrum as we all know is famous for losing.

Rove’s on the Right...Shrum is on the Left.

Yin and Yang, so to speak.


3 posted on 08/16/2007 11:27:26 AM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Dan Calabrese

The liberal Karl Rove is a hydra-like creature. Carville is one of its many heads.


4 posted on 08/16/2007 11:28:16 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Dan Calabrese

I’m sure Rove will be getting a network show, a la George Stephanopolus, the Clinton hack.


5 posted on 08/16/2007 11:28:45 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Dan Calabrese

This writer actually seemed to have cheaped out and gone the lazy route, if he had done any research, he would have realized that saying Atwater was the first, is akin to saying Bush is the first southerner to be President.


6 posted on 08/16/2007 11:29:25 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Dan Calabrese

Serpent-head?


7 posted on 08/16/2007 11:30:02 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Dan Calabrese
Because liberals have no core beliefs, just feelings du jour.
8 posted on 08/16/2007 11:30:05 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Badeye
Shrum? What campaign he worked on was actually successful?
9 posted on 08/16/2007 11:30:39 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood

Shrum? What campaign he worked on was actually successful?

Reread my post slowly....


10 posted on 08/16/2007 11:33:43 AM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Dan Calabrese

He works for Fox News now. It was Dick Morris.


11 posted on 08/16/2007 11:33:51 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild
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To: Badeye

My bad.


12 posted on 08/16/2007 11:34:35 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: Dan Calabrese
The Dems need to manufacture mythic images on the Right in order to explain why a bunch of losers (whom nobody likes or agrees with) keep winning national elections.

On the Republican side, we don't have an equivalent need to explain our loses (we blame our own politicians for not being good enough) and so we do not manufacture Democrat masterminds who are secretly pulling the strings of society.

Rove was good. But his myth is a creation of the Left. We just don't reciprocate.

13 posted on 08/16/2007 11:34:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket I'm #$%^&^&* sick of these $#$%^&*)ing snakes!
14 posted on 08/16/2007 11:35:03 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: Dan Calabrese
>Who is the liberal Karl Rove?

Why aren’t there any intelligent morons?
Why isn’t there any white colored black paint?

Why isn’t there dry rain?

OXYMORON.

15 posted on 08/16/2007 11:35:55 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: SolidWood

My bad.

No problemo, I do the same thing all the time.


16 posted on 08/16/2007 11:36:18 AM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Dan Calabrese
Why Is There No Liberal Karl Rove?

Because it is a lot easier to sell bread than it is to sell dog sh!t in a bag.

17 posted on 08/16/2007 11:36:48 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Dan Calabrese

James Carville IS the liberal ROVE!........


18 posted on 08/16/2007 11:38:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: Judges Gone Wild

Dick Morris is a “Hired Gun”. He works both sides of the fence........


19 posted on 08/16/2007 11:39:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: Dan Calabrese
..everything we were later told Rove was. A dirty trick artist, a base-panderer, a race-baiter . . . you know the litany.

Funny thing is, that sounds like a job description for a Democrat Political Activist.

20 posted on 08/16/2007 11:39:53 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Judges Gone Wild
Bill Clinton is actually the closest thing to what THEY think Rove was.
21 posted on 08/16/2007 11:42:16 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Dan Calabrese
Because Karl Rove works on getting living people to vote.
22 posted on 08/16/2007 11:44:10 AM PDT by elizabetty (The funding dried up and I can no longer afford Tagline Messages.)
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To: Dan Calabrese

Whaat about the snake-head — Carville?


23 posted on 08/16/2007 11:47:58 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Dan Calabrese

Karl Rove thinks outside the box. He is the anti-group-thinker.

In 1981, he brought direct mail targeting to the GOP, a political revolution then that became commonplace later on.

In 2000, he shocked the “conventional thinking” by saying that you could win the White House *without* winning either New York or California...something unheard of prior to that point.

In contrast, the Left is groupthink central. Every wonk at MSNBC applauds the same thing and boos the same thing. They all think alike.

They all want to ban the same things and mandate the same things.

...and anyone who thinks differently is shunned, scorned, shamed, or attacked.


24 posted on 08/16/2007 11:49:44 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: bill1952

Why isn’t there dry rain?

Reminds me of comedian Steven Wright - “If I melt dry ice can I go swimming without getting wet?”


25 posted on 08/16/2007 11:52:08 AM PDT by Gil4 (Time Man of the Year 2006 - and I'm darned proud of it)
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To: Badeye
Rove wins...

Not any more! Rove led the GOP into the 2006 debacle. Frankly, I can't understand why so many conservatives want to keep following him off the cliff.

26 posted on 08/16/2007 11:54:00 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Dan Calabrese

They don’t have anyone that smart.


27 posted on 08/16/2007 11:56:45 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Dan Calabrese

Bob Beckel overpaid.


28 posted on 08/16/2007 11:57:16 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
They don’t have anyone that smart.

Smart? Check out the 2006 election results.

29 posted on 08/16/2007 11:57:48 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Dan Calabrese

The EEvil Rove is Rasputin, invented by the media. Just as was the EEvil Lee Atwater. The reason the media doesn’t invent a liberal Rasputin, is they don’t want to create an EEvil liberal Rasputin.


30 posted on 08/16/2007 12:03:14 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Captain Kirk
Smart? Check out the 2006 election results.

Being smart gives you no ability to prevent political pendulums from swinging. Your point is silly.

31 posted on 08/16/2007 12:09:14 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Captain Kirk

Rove wins...

Not any more! Rove led the GOP into the 2006 debacle. Frankly, I can’t understand why so many conservatives want to keep following him off the cliff.

You need to learn to differentiate between a Presidential campaign cycle, a first term ‘mid term’ and a mid term like last year.

There was nothing Rove could have done given the Foley scandal and the Senate’s nonsense stretching from ‘gang of fourteen’ to Mecaca. Especially since both of those ‘scandals’ broke so late in the campaign.


32 posted on 08/16/2007 12:10:17 PM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Dan Calabrese

They ALL think they are.


33 posted on 08/16/2007 12:13:43 PM PDT by MikeHu
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Rove is different than Carville, and Atwater too, and most of the campaign strategists and consultants in one respect - he's also a policy guy.

Usually once the governing begins, the campaign gun's job is finished, if they continue in the administration it's usually in a political role at the party h.q. for example.

Rove served in campaign and policy roles.

34 posted on 08/16/2007 12:14:44 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Badeye

Shrum’s congrats to Ketchup Boy was the highlight of election night ‘04.


35 posted on 08/16/2007 12:19:02 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

‘Shrum’s congrats to Ketchup Boy was the highlight of election night ‘04.’

Yep....I’ll always wonder if they actually contacted and offered up a Cabinet position or three before reality bit em both in the ass.


36 posted on 08/16/2007 12:21:17 PM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Dan Calabrese
Who is the liberal Karl Rove?

Who is the conservative Karl Rove?

37 posted on 08/16/2007 12:25:37 PM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: Dan Calabrese

The elevation of Karl Rove by libs to the position of The Great Omnipotent Evil One is just a standard part of the left’s perpetual stance towards Republicans. Every Republican president, despite however many degrees from prestigious institutions, is viewed as the village idiot. Remember Reagan was called an amiable dunce. Therefore because someone is beating the bejeesus out of them, it must be some behind-the-scenes operator like Rove who is responsible for all the conservative triumphs. It certainly can’t be the Republican president.


38 posted on 08/16/2007 12:27:14 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Dan Calabrese

There was-—his name was Carville.


39 posted on 08/16/2007 12:27:43 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Dan Calabrese

“Why Is There No Liberal Karl Rove?”

Because carville ain’t that smart.

LLS


40 posted on 08/16/2007 12:29:01 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Badeye
A defeat is a defeat, midterm or otherwise. People have very short memories here.

The scandals had little to do with the 2006 debacle. It was Iraq first and last. You're right not even Rove could sell a sow's ear (Iraq) as a silk purse.

41 posted on 08/16/2007 12:33:32 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: ClearCase_guy

BINGO! Spot on!


42 posted on 08/16/2007 12:35:12 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Captain Kirk

A defeat is a defeat, midterm or otherwise. People have very short memories here.
The scandals had little to do with the 2006 debacle. It was Iraq first and last.

couldn’t disagree more with you. If that was the case poll after poll would show full support for Dems to cut the funding in Iraq. As we know, thats hardly the case, by a majority, in poll after poll after poll.


43 posted on 08/16/2007 12:35:27 PM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Badeye
Disagree...the Democrats have pretty much given Bush everything he wants on Iraq. The public voted a change in 2006 on Iraq and got the surge in return. Hence, Congres is even more unpopular than Bush right right now. As Wallace said, "ain't a dime's worth difference."

Folks here who don't believe that Iraq is central to Bush's unpopularity (and now the the popularity of the me-too Democratic Congress) are enganging in wishful thinking (just like they were before the 2006 debacle).

44 posted on 08/16/2007 12:52:34 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Try Raum Emmanuel - he’s definitely the liberal version of Karl Rove...


45 posted on 08/16/2007 12:55:46 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Captain Kirk

The public voted a change in 2006 on Iraq and got the surge in return.

The polling data doesn’t support the assertions you make here CK.

Mike DeWine didn’t lose his job because of Iraq here in Ohio. George Allen didn’t lose his because of it either.

In fact, I don’t think we can name a single fired pol from last November that was cast aside by voters that can show Iraq was ‘the reason’.

Mid terms have always been first and foremost about local politics, and local perceptions.


46 posted on 08/16/2007 12:57:45 PM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: Sonny M

James Carville?

Rahm Emanuel?


47 posted on 08/16/2007 1:03:08 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Badeye
There was nothing Rove could have done given the Foley scandal and the Senate’s nonsense stretching from ‘gang of fourteen’ to Mecaca. Especially since both of those ‘scandals’ broke so late in the campaign were October surprises concocted in collusion between Big Journalism and the Democratic Party.

48 posted on 08/16/2007 1:03:51 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Dan Calabrese

....Who is the liberal Karl Rove? ......

Some call him the Seprent Head. Others call him James Carville.


49 posted on 08/16/2007 1:06:39 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: bert
Serpent Head has my vote as the anit-Rove.
50 posted on 08/16/2007 1:09:33 PM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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