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NBC stung by criticism of sex-predator cases
Steve Thompson Dallas Morning News ^

Posted on 08/14/2007 4:27:34 AM PDT by Dudoight

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To: robertpaulsen
These sexual predators weren't committing any actual crime -- no children were involved at any time -- they simply thought they were.

The statutes are specifically worded to make it a crime to use the internet to proposition someone you think is a minor. So, yes, it is very much a crime.
61 posted on 08/14/2007 5:37:06 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Actually, they have to show intent to molest. This guy showed intent when he set up a meeting.

The English Dept here is catching flak. You were right about them


62 posted on 08/14/2007 5:37:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NCLaw441
"Your analogy fails in that it isn’t inherently wrong, or illegal, to spend $100."

Assuming the $100 was deposited into your account in error, of course it is. My point is, you don't know.

A moral person would contact the bank to find out what's going on. An immoral person would adopt the attitude of "possession is 9/10th's of the law" and spend it.

But filming that would not attract many viewers.

63 posted on 08/14/2007 5:38:06 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Liz
Appears that's what happened in the suicide case. The guy probably tried to lure the decoy to his home---and freaked when NBC showed up.

Unless you have some information the rest of us don't, I do not think that is what happened.

64 posted on 08/14/2007 5:38:40 AM PDT by gridlock (I have taken a sacred vow to always maintain a smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore)
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To: NCLaw441
NBC also tried to trap white men at NASCAR races by showing up with some Muslim guys in full beard and regalia. That’s one. Another is the fact that many, many 14 yr. old girls have more miles on them than Rte. 95. So, the age factor becomes the hook. Why would seemingly normal men be doing this stuff to an innocent teen? I think that the Internet lets men seek out teens that they think are experienced, and they want some of that experience.

If my daughter were that age right now, she wouldn’t get within 100 yds. of a PC. It’s too dangerous, and yet, I have friends who have teen daughters up all night on the computer. Who is really to blame here? Chris Hansen and NBC are nothing but ghouls putting on a public humiliation show. Those stupid cops who come busting out of the back after the shamed guy is leaving are a disgrace, too.

65 posted on 08/14/2007 5:39:51 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: gridlock; samtheman; AppyPappy; JimRed; Manic_Episode; All

If NBC is sued, I wonder if the transcript between the former DA and the decoy will be reviewed. That might help determine if the DA was trying to help somebody that he thought was a minor caught up in a tragic situation.

Not-a-bad-DA-2007: “Hey there, I see you are in a bad situation.”

Wideeyed 13: “Yes, I am. Can you help me?”

Not-a-bad-DA-2007: “What are you wearing?”

Wideeyed 13: “huh?”

Not-a-bad-DA-2007: “Do you like movies about gladiators?”


66 posted on 08/14/2007 5:40:37 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: robertpaulsen
Dateline is essentially depositing money in checking accounts and filming who spends it.

Wow!!! Talk about comparing apples and oranges!

Underage sex participants are only "currency" if you like to spend that kind of thing.

67 posted on 08/14/2007 5:41:40 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: wideawake
Sex is a powerful drive that makes people do stupid and evil things if they have no conscience.

I think it might have been Bear Bryant who said the reason he told his players not to have sex before games wasn't because the sex tired them out. The problem was that looking for sex was an all-night deal.

68 posted on 08/14/2007 5:43:33 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: AppyPappy
I don't know. An innocent man wouldn't blow his brains out. I think it is safe to assume he was guilty.

I think you are making a big and unsupportable assumption.

Perhaps Conradt knew that his face was about to be plastered all over the TV as a child molester. I think reasonable person would find this a terrifying prospect.

Could it have driven him to suicide, in the heat of the moment?

We will never know, of course. The man is dead.

69 posted on 08/14/2007 5:45:04 AM PDT by gridlock (I have taken a sacred vow to always maintain a smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore)
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To: robertpaulsen

Wrong analogy. This was not an error. These men KNOW they are committing a crime.

If you give someone a car and say “This car is stolen. If you drive it, you could be arrested”, that would be a closer analogy.


70 posted on 08/14/2007 5:46:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ishabibble
If all the "entrapment" types like you (who seem to have something to fear from somebody dangling a teenaged kid's body in front of them) end up shutting down this show, I certainly hope that its techniques go underground, and private groups of decent citizens are the ones holding the "trials".

There isn't a place in hell hot enough for child rapists. There is no torture I wouldn't subject them to, if I knew I'd get away with it.

71 posted on 08/14/2007 5:46:43 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: AppyPappy

[He knew he was busted.]

...and he probably had a sick and twisted past which would have become public knowledge.


72 posted on 08/14/2007 5:47:38 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: samtheman

The suicide did not show up, he backed out. However, NBC wasn’t satisfied so they, along with the police with whom they had a fiduciary arrangement, went to HIS house.


73 posted on 08/14/2007 5:48:29 AM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: AppyPappy
The dead guy would be alive if he was innocent. NBC had the goods on him.

This is not necessarily so.

NBC certainly did not have "the goods" on him. Fellows they have on camera soliciting sex walked without prosecution. NBC had much, much less on this guy.

74 posted on 08/14/2007 5:49:22 AM PDT by gridlock (I have taken a sacred vow to always maintain a smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore)
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To: gridlock
Perhaps Conradt knew that his face was about to be plastered all over the TV as a child molester

An innocent lawyer would salviate over that proposition. He would OWN the network. He would go to CBS and shop his innocence. If it were me, I'd be on every network waving my story. CBS and ABC would jump at the chance to make this show look ridiculous.

This is too much like Paul Crouch giving his ex-lover $100k and then insisting he was completely innocent.

75 posted on 08/14/2007 5:50:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Zechariah11

How did they find his house?


76 posted on 08/14/2007 5:51:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
"Those men don’t accidentally email a picture of themselves naked to a 13 year-old girl"

My point is, she wasn't 13. No children were harmed, physically, psychologically, or emotionally. Unless, of course, those children were watching the Dateline show on TV.

If little Johnny or little Suzie goes to their parents and tells them they received some naked picture, fine, contact the police and set up a sting. Actual harm was caused to an actual child.

77 posted on 08/14/2007 5:52:20 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
These sexual predators weren't committing any actual crime -- no children were involved at any time -- they simply thought they were.

And that's where you're wrong. Arranging to have sex with someone you think is underage is a crime, even if no child is involved at all.

78 posted on 08/14/2007 5:52:36 AM PDT by BearCub
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To: hunter112
I agree with you, but don’t think for even a moment that NBC isn’t stirring the pot with this scam. They probably get one bona fide pedophile for every ten guys who thought they were going to just have sex with an experienced teen.
Did you not understand when I said that in my original post?
79 posted on 08/14/2007 5:53:25 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Dudoight

“I am amazed at the number of predators who would actually show up at these stings. I did wonder if this wasn’t some sort of entrapment.”

Well, its because there is this enormous pool of 14 year old girls that are trolling online for a 42 year old boyfriend with a bad goatee and a beer belly. WTFATT! The only fourteen year old girl who would comment favorably on some predator’s online photo of self-masterbation, is a cop.

My question is what happens when a 14 year old boy pretends to be a 42 year old online and gets importuned by a cop pretending to be a 14 year old girl? Does the cop get charged then?


80 posted on 08/14/2007 5:53:26 AM PDT by anton
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