Posted on 08/13/2007 8:18:11 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
...I've written about a number of threats to the First Amendment in recent years. But few have riled me up as much as a recent letter written by attorney Joseph E. Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com). Sandler was hired by CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) after the organization learned that Robert Spencer was about to give a speech called "The Truth About CAIR" at the National Conservative Student Conference held by the Young America's Foundation (YAF). Here's what Sandler wrote to my friend Ron Robinson, President of YAF:
"You should be aware that Mr. Spencer, a well-known purveyor of hatred and bigotry against Muslims, has a history of false and defamatory statements. Several of those statements have falsely accused CAIR of activity that would constitute a federal offense."
After failing to provide a single "false and defamatory" statement by Spencer, Sandler went on to exercise his constitutional right to praise CAIR for its work in fighting terrorism...
After, a) citing specific evidence in support of the notion that CAIR is an anti-terrorist organization, and b) citing no evidence of false and defamatory statements by Spencer (nor any of the evidence supporting Spencer's contrary opinion), Joseph E. Sandler made a rather outrageous request that is worth reproducing in its entirety: "For these reasons, we demand that YAF cancel the subject session (at which Spencer is speaking), or else take steps to ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated at that session. Our clients have instructed us to pursue every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false and defamatory statements that are made at the session. Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests. Joseph E. Sandler..." This notion of preventing “offense” by forcing people to relinquish their First Amendment Rights is itself offensive. Certainly, when one of my Muslim friends offends me - by forcing his wife to leave the room without speaking as soon as I come over - I just let it go. But maybe I shouldn’t. Maybe I should start my own organization called CAIRS, The Council Against Islamic Repression and Sexism...
Where did you read that CAIR is going after Adams?
What, just for writing this article?
I would be interested to find out more about this issue.
That the CAIR counsel is a former DNC counsel should surprise no one. CAIR and the DNC have the same goal: the destruction of the USA as we know it.
CAIR is using the “protection of being a victim” to go after many people.
If you go to the link, it says, “Specifically, Sandler failed in his efforts to stop YAF speaker Robert Spencer, author of “The Truth about Muhammad,” from publicly criticizing CAIR at an annual conference for students in Washington, D.C. After publicly displaying his shortcomings – as an attorney and as an American - Sandler is now threatening me with federal criminal prosecution. I received this letter from him a couple of days ago...”
CAIR's threat to Adams:
"Mr. Adams: As a result of your specific request posted on Town Hall and/or your website (www.DrAdams.org), we have received hundreds of phone calls and emails, many of which are virulently racist and/or obscene and several of which are threatening. This afternoon in specific response to your request, an anonymous individual has jammed our phones, i.e., set a recording to send thousands of repeat calls to our telephone number. You are undoubtedly aware that the latter is a federal criminal offense. We are turning this matter over to the authorities. I request that you immediately pull down from your site the specific request that individuals make harassing phone calls, send harassing faxes and send harassing e-mails to this law firm."
See post seven, and read the entire article at the link. He apparently put Sandler’s email address in his column and made several suggestions for communicating with the lawyer. Ahem. Snorty-snort-snort.
Our laws being used to kill us.
I used the “I don’t CAIR if they’re offended” line a day or two ago.
Anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-life collectives are likely to join forces.
Thanks. I’ve been on top of this from the start and didn’t even know this. Interesting.
Thanks. I also went to townhall.com and his latest article there had some background on what was going on.
The replies to the article were amusing, too. There is a troll called “vandamm” who seems to have real issues with spelling.
The next time this contry is attacked by the practioners of the Religion of Peace, being ‘offended’ will be the least of Muslims’ concerns.
They will learn the true meaning of ‘jihad.’
oh i did his read townhall article last week or whenever it was. i must have forgot.. lots going on :)
Related to this.. for those interested.. Mike Adams gave a great speech to the YAF
Link to Audio here
Mike Adams: What High School Students Can Expect in College
Young Americas Foundation
Townhall columnist and Young America’s Foundation speaker, Mike Adams, explains what high school students can expect from America’s politically-correct college campuses and what they can do to protect their rights. This speech was in conjunction with Young America’s Foundation’s National High School Leadership Conference.
This is actually pretty funny -
This is posted in NEWS on Aug 13,
referencing a blog posted on Aug 9,
about a web column posted on Aug 8,
regarding a letter sent to head off the Aug 2 appearance of a speaker at a conference which ended on Aug 4th !
Here’s a more detailed article about these past events from Aug 2
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200708/CUL20070802b.html
I am so, so sorry, RS. I won’t bother to post anything like this again. Will only post the first thing that happens, no follow ups. Had no desire to offend you.
Robert Spencer is one of the few voices of reason who is not afraid to describe Islam accurately abd truthfully.
For that he is persecuted by CAIR and other mslim groups the way the Democrats go after Karl Rove.
Follow-ups are fine, but I didn’t notice any in your post, just the short mention of Adams being threatened with no reference.
Now in the article posted TODAY http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017752.php#more this is pretty funny - Adams writes -
“As for any attempt to shut down his phone system (if that has even occurred or is as illusory as Robert Spencer’s alleged “defamation” of CAIR), I believe in personal responsibility. Just as Sandler is responsible for trying to threaten a great organization out of exercising its First Amendment rights, so is any vandal responsible for taking his or her protest too far.”
Basically, don’t blame him for inciting the illegal activity ... he’s just the Imam, if his followers act on what he suggests it’s not his fault.
Alright, already. I apologized and promised not to offend you again. What more do you want? Sorry some people find it so difficult to follow links.
Doesn't say much for Mr. Adams that he'd maintain a friendship with a misogynist like this.
Adams wrote a follow up to this (I guess this is news now, isn’t it RS?):
Duck Stew
By Mike S. Adams
Monday, August 13, 2007
Joe Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young just had a very bad week. It started with his failed attempt to help a group of Consistently Arrogant Islamic Radicals (CAIR) threaten and intimidate leaders of the Young America’s Foundation (YAF) into relinquishing their First Amendment Rights.
Specifically, Sandler failed in his efforts to stop YAF speaker Robert Spencer, author of “The Truth about Muhammad,” from publicly criticizing CAIR at an annual conference for students in Washington, D.C. After publicly displaying his shortcomings – as an attorney and as an American - Sandler is now threatening me with federal criminal prosecution. I received this letter from him a couple of days ago:
“Mr. Adams: As a result of your specific request posted on Town Hall and/or your website (www.DrAdams.org), we have received hundreds of phone calls and emails, many of which are virulently racist and/or obscene and several of which are threatening. This afternoon in specific response to your request, an anonymous individual has jammed our phones, i.e., set a recording to send thousands of repeat calls to our telephone number. You are undoubtedly aware that the latter is a federal criminal offense. We are turning this matter over to the authorities. I request that you immediately pull down from your site the specific request that individuals make harassing phone calls, send harassing faxes and send harassing e-mails to this law firm.”
Joe Sandler knows I never made a “specific request” that anyone jam his phone lines with repeat calls. Nor did I ask people to make “virulently racist,” “obscene,” or “threatening” phone calls. I did, however, make the following suggestions to my readers in a recent column:
1. Write Joseph E. Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) and tell him to stop helping Muslim extremists wage a Jihad against the First Amendment in the United States of America.
2. Call Joseph E. Sandler (202-479-1111) and tell him to stop helping Muslim extremists wage a Jihad against the First Amendment in the United States of America.
3. Fax a Xerox copy of the First Amendment to Sandler, Reiff & Young at (202) 479-1115.
4. Fax a Xerox copy of your extended middle finger to Sandler, Reiff & Young at (202) 479-1115.
Because my readers are not Democrat lawyers or Islamic Fascists (like many of the members of CAIR) they understood that #4 was a joke. That is why Sandler has been unable to report a single instance of birdies faxed to (202) 479-1115. Nonetheless, he sent me a second letter asserting that I could be prosecuted a federal statute (47 USCS § 223) dealing with “Obscene or harassing telephone calls in the District of Columbia or in interstate or foreign communications.”
The “relevant” portions of the statute are reproduced below:
“(a) Prohibited acts generally. Whoever—
(1) in interstate or foreign communications—
(A) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly—
(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and
(ii) initiates the transmission of, any comment, request,
suggestion, proposal, image, or other communication which is obscene
or child pornography, with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass
another person;
…
(D) makes or causes the telephone of another repeatedly or
continuously to ring, with intent to harass any person at the called
number; or
…
shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not
more than two years, or both.
“Sandler’s incompetence as an attorney – or, perhaps, his dishonesty and personal cowardice as a man - is abundantly demonstrated by this threat of prosecution. I asked my readers to express their disapproval of a man who has inserted himself into an important public debate. Now he’s upset that his fellow citizens are expressing their opinions.
As for any attempt to shut down his phone system (if that has even occurred or is as illusory as Robert Spencer’s alleged “defamation” of CAIR), I believe in personal responsibility. Just as Sandler is responsible for trying to threaten a great organization out of exercising its First Amendment rights, so is any vandal responsible for taking his or her protest too far.
But no one should be deceived. The real problem is that Sandler has walked into the kitchen and is complaining now that it is just too hot. The only good news is that Sandler is now becoming familiar (even if he misapplies) the laws of this nation. So maybe he seeks something less than full deference to Islamic law in the American legal system.
To date, Sandler has not been able to provide a single one of my readers with any statement (made by Robert Spencer) that defames CAIR – an organization, which, because if its worthless reputation, can hardly claim to have been besmirched.
So it looks like Sandler started last week by falsely accusing Robert Spencer of defamation. And he ended it by falsely accusing me of a federal crime. What will this spineless First Amendment terrorist do for an encore? Make sure to send him an email and ask him specifically (remember, that address is sandler@sandlerreiff.com). And be sure to tell him Mike Adams said …
Author’s Note: The last two words of this column were deleted in order to avoid federal prosecution. Rumor has is that they rhyme with “duckstew.”
“My God.. what a little creep and bully you are. Do you think you add value by criticizing people who post?”
Obviously you didn’t notice the value I added by the information I presented regarding the timeline of events and putting a link to todays article -— which IS news.
But it’s a little funny that you think calling names IS adding value LOL
Awesome.
I like #3 and will fax it to CAIR as well!
I suspect that was satire.
When you fax to CAIR (pronounced like the Egyptian capital, not like the international aid society, JMHO), remember,
“Duck stew” and “luck shoe” have similar roots (the latter by Dave Barry).
Anyway, legalistic jihad in our midst is just beginning.
That the CAIR counsel is a former DNC counsel should surprise no one.
Anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-life collectives are likely to join forces.
= = =
INDEED.
WELL SAID.
That the CAIR counsel is a former DNC counsel should surprise no one.
Anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-life collectives are likely to join forces.
= = =
INDEED.
WELL SAID.
LOL! Thank you.
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