Posted on 08/11/2007 8:56:07 PM PDT by monomaniac
The progestin-only pill was found to cause a three-fold increase in the development of diabetes, while depo-provera causes a 60% increase.
BTW, Depo-provera is medroxyprogesterone acetate (a progestin-only drug.)
Maria Kraw, new President of Toronto Catholic Doctors Guild is opposed to contraception. Who would’ve guessed?
I am neither pro pill nor anti pill. All drugs carry risk benefit ratios that should be discussed with your doctor. You must make the decision on what is best for you after you have unbiased information from your health care professional.
see my post #4
“Maria Kraw, new President of Toronto Catholic Doctors Guild is opposed to contraception. Who would’ve guessed?”
Yes, and who would have guessed that the medical establishment that pushed the pill on women and brushed aside all the evidence of serious side-effects for the overriding benefit of birth control were, “pro-contraception.”
Do you know how to assess evidence rationally? If Dr. Kraw is anti-contraception because of the evidence of deleterious side-effects, then she’s simply stating a professional assessment. If she’s anti-contraception before and apart from the evidence,then she’s prejudiced. But how do you know which came first?
Or did you really mean to say that because she was identified as head of a Catholic physicians’ group, she only holds her professional assessment of negative side-effects out of religious prejudice? But you don’t have any way to know how she came to these conclusions.
Therefore, your insinuation that her medical opinions don’t carry weight because she is opposed to contraception is itself a good example of bigotry, of elevating the one fact you do know about her (that she’s Catholic) over all other factors.
That, by any rational measure, looks very much like an exercise in bigotry on your part. Of course, perhaps you did find out all the details about Dr. Kraw’s life history you would need to know in order to make the insinuation you made. Perhaps.
This is the first I heard of an alleged link between the pill and osteoporosis. I thought everything pointed towards it PREVENTING it, not causing it.
Uh, cpdiii, LifeSite News is not a liberal outfit. It’s conservative, pro-life. Just a tad prejudiced, now, aren’t we?? You assumed the source was “liberal” and therefore was spinning. If you would take the time to explore the medical literature, I think you’d find a mountain of evidence supporting Kraw’s assessment. Yes, as with a lot of medical science, there are those scientists who would dispute Kraw’s assessment. She has a viewpoint, certainly. But I’ll let you in on a secret, so too do the people who have spent years now debunking those who insist that the Pill is not really good for women’s health. Most people who are pro-contraceptives come to the table with more than a few ideological commitments.
The evidence is out there. Look it up. Of course it is attacked vehemently by the pro-contraceptioners. Just like Big Tobacco for years insisted that the Surgeon General’s Report on smoking and lung cancer was special pleading and
“spinning.” Big-Contraception has been doing the same thing for decades and women are the football. It’s about time women started investigating the studies themselves. This particular report doesn’t cite them but you’ll find the studies cited via the links provided.
I'm an endocrinologist, just like Dr. Kraw. Do you?
Sorry, my post no. 7 was incomplete: you’ll find studies cited in the links provided at http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/pdf/8110/8110a1.pdf — which deals only with breast cancer risk; there are plenty of other sources available
Read the Headline-—no scientist would make such an outrageous claim without two lifetimes’ worth of corroborating data. She is proselytizing, plain and simple.
Yes I do. And I did. And you didn’t. Your post was not a rational assessment but an ad hominemn argument. That’s a rational assessment of your post. Perhaps you wish to evaluate the endicrinological evidence for us instead of attacking your colleague in endocrinology.
Sir, the headline was not written by Dr.Kraw. Let’s start with some rational analysis of the text. It’s a report by a journalist of a speech to a popular audience, not an article in a medical journal.
If you want to take Dr. Kraw to task, then get her professional articles and tear them apart professionally. But don’t base a professional judgment on a popular speech. She did “cite” studies but did so in a proper manner for a popular speech—asking her audience to trust her professional judgment. You would have to do exactly the same thing if you addressed a popular audience. If you were writing a medical journal article you would cite your sources professionally.
I’m sure you disagree with her reading of the studies. Fine. If you wish to take issue with her professionally, then go find her professional publications, where I’m sure she does cite studies, and tear them apart.
But what you are doing here is apples and oranges.
And that’s a rational assessment of your method of argument. You are doing exactly what she did in speaking to a popular audience, invoking your authority, speaking to a non-professinal audience (Free Republic), asking us to trust your authority in your skepticism about her interpretation of the data. But you assume that it’s obvious that she’s wrong because she did not cite studies the way one does in professional journals. Well, neither did you, but you expect us to believe you.
In summary: she has zero credibility as a scientist. End of story.
This does not merit rational analysis because like I said in my first post: NO DATA. Nothing to analyze.
Ever heard of Bio-Identical Hormone Replacement Therapy? A women does not have to be without her hormones.
I concur.
I don't claim to know about everything, but nonetheless think it fair to say you are right. Numerous studies have documented an association between the Pill and higher bone density. To fail to mention this and claim only that lower bone density has been reported is not intellectually honest.
You may interested to know that the founder of Endocrinology, Claude Bernard(1813-1878), performed bioidentical hormone replacement therapy upon...himself!
Go back and read cdpiii’s post. It’s argued that this outfit behave LIKE the liberal media, not that the writer of this piece is a liberal.
It’s not the particular slant that’s the focus of cdpiii’s post—it’s that there is a very glaring slant to the article with some pretty flat statements over an issue that is anything but...
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