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Posted on 08/09/2007 2:40:03 PM PDT by CheyennePress
(CBS/AP) In a surprisingly strong attack, GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Republican rival Rudy Giuliani had turned New York City into a sanctuary for illegal immigrants during his two terms as mayor.
Immigration is a hot-button issue in the GOP and may play especially well in Iowa, an early battleground state where the federal government has raided meat processing plants employing illegals, and where some longtime residents feel their pay is being undercut by cheaper-working immigrants.
"If you look at lists compiled on Web sites of sanctuary cities, New York is at the top of the list when Mayor Giuliani was mayor," Romney said at while campaigning in Iowa. "He instructed city workers not to provide information to the federal government that would allow them to enforce the law. New York City was the poster child for sanctuary cities in the country."
Giuliani, also campaigning in Iowa, offered this response: "Frankly, that designation would not apply to New York City. What you got to look at in fairness to is the overall results — and no city in terms of crime, safety, dealing with illegality of all different kinds has done a better job than New York City."
For contrast, Romney has pointed to his own performance on immigration as the governor of Massachusetts. Romney deputized state police to enforce immigration laws and denied driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
Romney's attack on Giuliani came just three days before the Iowa Straw Poll, a nonbinding beauty contest among the Republican presidential contenders.
In the days leading up it, Romney is airing a new television ad in the state in which he encourages supporters to attend the event, portrays himself as an outsider to Washington and takes swipes at both Republicans and Democrats on the immigration issue.
"Washington politicians in both parties have proven they can't control spending, and they won't control our borders," Romney says in the ad. "I will, but I need your help to do it."
Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain are not participating in the straw poll.
“This order was issued seven years by Mayor Ed Koch and reissued by my predecessor, Mayor Dinkins, and by me.” (emphasis mine)---Rudy Giuliani
If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair." ABC News August 8, 2007
---Rudy Giuliani
Yep, just another bad issue for Rudy - that quote there is sickening, btw - he needs just to get out of Fred Dalton Thompson’s way.
Kudos to Romney for thinning the herd. The sooner Rudy is booted from the primaries the better.
Rudy also said he opposed building a wall. He would be unable and/or unwilling to handle WOT. Our biggest threat comes from the open border and the illegal aliens and immigrants from enemy countries.
Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders! Stop the DREAM Act!!
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Sorry, had too.
If Rudy thinks its critical for illegals to be protected from the Federal government as mayor, he won’t be eager to protect our borders as President.
Giuliani is a fraud. If he had said that he was wrong about his stance toward illegal immigration, and now after 9/11 he had changed his approach, I would at least have to give him points for admitting the mistake.
As it is, he’s shamelessly denying a matter of crystal-clear public record. His supporters keep citing his chutzpah as a positive — and this lie of his is brazen, all right. But as we saw with the ‘toon, brazen shamelessness combined with a willingness to lie and a complete lack of respect for Constitutional restraints is very dangerous.
Meanwhile, as the illustrious Dr. Phil says, you can’t change something you don’t acknowledge. Since he won’t admit that he took a wrong-headed and dangerous approach in NYC (which may have prevented us from stopping at least one of the 9/11 attackers), then what he’s telling us is that he will pursue the same policy as president.
While I respect Rudy for cleaning up NYC and the leadership he showed after 9-11, anyone unwilling to address border security in a meaningful way disqualifies themselves from the presidential pool, IMHO.
While it is entirely possible that Rudy's attitude was based on getting more federal goodies for his city (since many funds are distributed based on population), this also makes him a less than worthy candidate since such formulas cheat states with mostly legal residents.
When distibuting federal goodies and congressional seats, illegal aliens need to be excluded from the count. If the locality is unable or unwilling to cooperate in getting the proper count to be excluded, campling can be made at places like prisons, welfare offices and hospital ER's. Since the open borders advocates often claim illegals do not use these services any more than the general population, there should be no problem with sampling in the same way.
Good move on Romney’s part. Rudy needs to be brought out into the open on the immigration issue. His history is that of just another open borders Republican.
I like Rudy in many ways, but his past positions on many social issues and immigration will cost him many votes. And there’s no guarantee that he could win a single blue state in a general election.
Smart rhetoric from Mitt.
BUMP
Good points.
I agree he was tough on crime in NYC and a good leader in the face of the terrorist attacks.
But his liberal views will get him every time and we need to be tough on the border issue.
That’s the first step in dealing with the illegals. Seal the border.
Still uncommitted on my choice for president but wanting a real conservative nonetheless.
While I’m no Rudy supporter we need to take into consideration that he was Mayor of New York City. To think he could get elected in New York City as a conservative is not realistic. I just heard on Fox that Romney was not to rough on illegals when he was governor. I intend to let the chips fall where they may but job one for me is to make sure there is no President Hillary.
Romney is on the attack and is from outside DC.
But I think he is ultimately a “moderate” who plays both sides.
In Mass he came up with “Hillary Lite” making everyone buy health coverage from a private insurer.
That’s a baby step that the next politician can take into making a Canadian-European government medical system here in the United States.
I am uncommitted but not excited by Romney or allowing myself to be excited by him.
Look at the whole record, not just some TV performance.
Time for the other candidates to go for the jugular and start talking about Rudy’s love for abortion.
Gulian1 seems to understand the “broken window effect” perfectly well for most crimes but not for violations of immigration law.
better a moderate than a liberal like Rude E. I’d be for Hunter if he had that presidential ‘factor.’ But he doesn’t.
I’m listening but conscience is important and I don’t feel like I have to make such an early decision.
Why be stampeded by these shows called “debates?”
This campaign has started way too early but I want to emphasize I am uncommitted.
This party has embraced too many “moderates” and we need to look for something better.
We don’t need to jump in early behind someone.
>>>In Mass he came up with “Hillary Lite” making everyone buy health coverage from a private insurer. That’s a baby step that the next politician can take into making a Canadian-European government medical system here in the United States.<<<
Actually, I think it’s moving in the opposite direction. How are you going to put any momentum behind nationalized healthcare controlled by the government if everyone is already insured under private insurance?
And I’ll note it again...you don’t actually have to buy insurance under Romney’s plan. If you opt out, you just have to have enough money in an interest bearing account accessible to the state so that should you fail to pay your medical bills, the state of Mass could retrieve that money and offer compensation to healthcare providers. In other words, there is no more free ticket except for the poorest of the poor.
Romney has called for other states to rethink the way that healthcare is organized, and he has encouraged states to come up with their own ideas in that regard. What works best in Mass might not worke elsewhere, as he said.
The conservative candidates have to be the ones to jump in. Who did we have since Reagan? Bush then Dole and then Bush again!
That's a winning campaign slogan that the base can get behind. Good job, Romney. Very smart.
I'm wit' you.
but what did romney do about illegals in massachusetts?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7187
Mitt was the first candidate to strongly oppose the amnesty bill. That has got to count for something. Rudy later opposed it also, but only after it was clear the base would not accept it. Mitt Romney has a proven track record in business. I have no doubt that he will make border security a priority as President.
did you join fr to help mitt out?
The Republican version of John Kerry? Please.
His plan was an excellent one, and it bears no resemblence to Hillary's plan. That's why the Heritage foundation endorsed it.
The crux of it was loosening insurance regulations, allowing people to buy private policies that covered fewer unnecessary procedures and had higher deductibles.
Last time I checked, conservatives genearlly support deregulation and allowing the market to offer more choices. That's exactly what his plan did.
Yes, it requires people to buy insurance, thereby preventing them from freeloading off the emergency care system. But requiring people to be to responsible is a fundamentally conservative principle, and frankly, if you don't have health insurance, you are being irresponsible.
That’s a baby step that the next politician can take into making a Canadian-European government medical system here in the United States.
Nonsense. It's a plan that increases competition among private insurers, and increases the number and variety of plans insurers are allowed to offer. This is not even a baby step toward socialized medicine. It's the very opposite of it.
The one thing you may not like about it is that it gives a sliding subsidy to the poor to buy private insurance. But that's less socialist than the old system, in which people who couldn't afford insurance either went on medicade, which is a government-run system, or got emergency care for free, freeloading off the rest of us. At least now poor people are forced to pay something for their insurance.
And if you think it's politically feasible to have a healthcare system where those who can't afford to pay are going to be left on the street to die, you're living in a libertarian fantasy land.
Look at the whole record, not just some TV performance.
If you take the time to objectively study it, it's a fundamentally solid record that any conservative can get behind.
He vetoed over-the-counter morning after pill bills, cut spending, got rid of entrenched bureaucrats, and did everything in his power to fight gay marraige.
While you are considering, please consider Duncan Hunter. If you still choose Mr. Romney, I won't criticize that choice. I like Mr. Romney as well for the reasons that you noted.
Bill
it would be analogous to private accounts for social security instead of wiping out the whole system
Romney just keeps looking better and better. I’ve got some friends that have come around to him. I mentioned him months ago to them and they didn’t even know who he was.
Romney’s health plan sounds reasonable to me. If you are able but not willing to buy health insurance and you end up in the hospital’s emergency room because you cut your foot off mowing your lawn, why should I or some government agency pay the hospital to sew it back on?
I notice in the debates and elsewhere that Romney’s answers make sense. He doesn’t just make rhetorical points or spout slogans or sound bites the way Brownbake or Huckabee or McCain do. He argues a point logically or offers something pragmatic.
Thank you for the clarification. An opt out is crucial for skeptics along with affordability and availability for the working poor and chronically ill.
great post. Thanks.
Romney’s certainly working for the nomination. Watch his campaign efforts as televised on C-SPAN. He’s making multiple stops everywhere, meeting people, answering questions, and then RUNNING to catch up with his car to go to another stop. I’d like to see old geezer Thompson try the punishing schedule Romney’s following. Thompson thinks he doesn’t need to work for the nomination. He’ll just mosey into the campaign, make a few speech, and then sit back and put his feet up. This won’t beat the Hillary machine.
That is a great defense of the healthcare plan that Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. Do you mind if I borrow from it?
Romney is going to be interviewed this Sunday on Fox by Chris Wallace. I think the program is called “This Week.”
“Our biggest threat comes from the open border and the illegal aliens and immigrants from enemy countries.”
I agree! A friend of mine sent the list below of 14 reasons to deport illegal aliens.
14 Reasons to deport illegal aliens
Hope these 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are
read by the majority of Americans. Then they will have something to
yell at their U.S. Congress members.
14 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens...
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime p roblem in
the United States
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal
aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,
meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern
border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States “.
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is
$338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between
$206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, if we send them home, we’ll be ahead
after the 1st year!!!
Please pass this on. Americans need to wake up!
He said this yesterday?
Yes, you’re right. As a matter of fact, Fred will run his campaign from his front porch, like Warren Harding did in 1920. Parties of supporters will come to visit and shoot the breeze with Fred and drink spiked lemonade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_porch_campaign
BTW I plan to be one of Fred’s “Mark Hannas” FWIW.
I guess he didn’t learn anything from the Dole campaign.
I think these were 1990s speeches. Of course his campaign denied he ever said anything like this, but Romney had the transcripts. Romney does his homework.
BTW, thanks for the compliment!
Order the state police to cooperate with ICE and turn in any illegals they ran across. Beyond that, there wasn't much he could do.
I guess I’m a little confused. If Giuliani said this ten years or ago or so, then why is it dated yesterday? And if this single statement is important, why isn’t Fred Thompson’s statement about abortion from the same time period not important?
I have no problem with bringing the track record of any candidate into the discussion, and it certainly leads to any questions of why their positions have changed, but we ought to be reasonably fair in the discussion.
Yes, I think that's a good comparison.
Libertarians don't seem to be bothered by the fact that all social security privatization proposals force people to save for retirement. They're all for them. Why, then, do they get all worked up when people are forced to make sure they can pay for necessary medical treatments in the likely event they get sick?
That's totally true. BUT, he's not running for President of New York City. The day we settle for "conservative for NYC" as our nationwide standard bearer is the day there is no point in the Republican Party continuing to exist.
As for avoiding President Hillary, Rudy is the GOP front runner least likely to defeat her. Hillary will play him like a fiddle. His only issues are crime and terrorism. Hillary will get FDNY and the 9/11 Victim's Families groups to go on the attack. Others will remind the voters that Dinkins appointed Bratton and Rudy fired him when Bratton started getting all the credit.
Boom! The only reasons any conservative has to vote for Rudy are gone. Hillary goes on to make the 1984 election look close.
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