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Russian Bombers Buzz US Base In Guam
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-9-2007 | Adrian Blomfield

Posted on 08/09/2007 1:45:57 PM PDT by blam

Russian bombers buzz US base in Guam

By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 7:36pm BST 09/08/2007

Russian bombers are reported to have buzzed an American military base for the first time since the Cold War when they flew over the Pacific island of Guam.

Google Map: The island of Guam in the West Pacific

Moscow said that US fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the two Tupolev-95 warplanes as they resumed the Cold War era practice of flying over Western offshore military installations in a mission on Wednesday.

The incident, seen as the latest attempt by a revitalised Russia to project its military might, is likely to have unnerved the Pentagon and caused further perplexity at the State Department over the Kremlin's mercurial course.

The US military was silent about the mid-air confrontation but the Russians were happy to boast about it.

"It was always the tradition of our long-range aviation to fly far into the ocean, to meet (US) aircraft carriers and greet (US) pilots visually," Maj Gen Pavel Androsov, the head of long-range aviation in the Russian air force, told a press conference in Moscow.

"Yesterday we revived this tradition."

According to the general, two Tupolev-95 bombers flew from Blagoveshchensk, on Russia's border with China, to the US naval base at Guam in the West Pacific during a 13-hour round trip on Wednesday.

Capable of carrying nuclear bombs, the Tu-95 was the Soviet Union's aviation icon. A lumbering beast, it was instantly recognisable to every US fighter pilot who had to escort the aircraft on its regular sorties down the American east coast.

A new generation of pilots may now have to get used to doing the same.

According to Gen Androsov, American fighters took off from an aircraft carrier and tracked the bombers until they left Guam's airspace. "We exchanged smiles and returned home," he said.

Russia's nuclear forces: Click for interactive map

The return of the airborne games of cat-and-mouse is likely to elicit queasier grins in Western capitals, where military chiefs will be puzzling over how to respond to Russia's increasingly frequent displays of defiance.

Last month RAF Tornado fighters were twice forced to scramble after Tu-95 bombers flew close to British airspace.

Keen to get their share of attention — and perhaps the approval of President Vladimir Putin — Russia's most senior admirals last week called for the establishment of a permanent naval base in the Mediterranean for the first time since the Cold War.

East-West relations also came under renewed strain after the United States appeared to blame Russia for a missile strike against Georgia on Monday that took the diplomatic crisis between the two ex-Soviet neighbours to new depths.

"The US condemns the Aug 6 rocket attack against Georgia," said Sean McCormack, a state department spokesman. "We praise Georgia's continuing restraint in the face of this air attack and call for the urgent clarification of the facts surrounding this incident."

Moscow has strongly denied involvement in the incident and has accused Georgia of "provocation".

Russia's military posturing is partly a desperate desire to show that the armed forces have recovered from the decline in the penurious 1990s, when planes were frequently grounded because the air force could not pay its fuel bills.

The vocal condemnation of Russia's mission last week to plant a flag under the North Pole, a stunt that would once have been laughed off, was a telling example of the international community's growing distrust of Mr Putin.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bombers; buzz; china; coldwar2; guam; iran; iraq; israel; militarybase; putin; putinotplayingnice; russia; russianmilitary; wot
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1 posted on 08/09/2007 1:46:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Puerile, Pootie-poot. Very puerile.


2 posted on 08/09/2007 1:46:56 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: blam

TU-95 Bomber

3 posted on 08/09/2007 1:48:37 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I don’t think this is very smart of them.


4 posted on 08/09/2007 1:48:39 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: blam

They still fly this old thing? you can see them coming for miles.

5 posted on 08/09/2007 1:49:21 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: blam
The Pentagon was "unnerved"? More likely the Pentagon was annoyed by these clownish aviators from a dying land.
6 posted on 08/09/2007 1:50:50 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: blam

“is likely to have unnerved the Pentagon and caused further perplexity at the State Department over the Kremlin’s mercurial course.”

Meanwhile, anyone with a smidgen of common sense could have seen this coming a decade ago.


7 posted on 08/09/2007 1:52:29 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: blam
...... and caused further perplexity at the State Department over the Kremlin's mercurial course.

When is Foggy Bottom not perplexed? Their heads are buried too deep in the sands of Arabia to see squat.

8 posted on 08/09/2007 1:52:59 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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To: Bahbah

It must have been a drill. We probably bought that Bear from the ruskies.


9 posted on 08/09/2007 1:53:04 PM PDT by Broker (Haddi Nuff)
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To: blam
OK so Russia (USSR) can afford gas for it’s plane. Reviving Cold War escapades seems childish and some what dangerous.

Wonder if they’re playing patty cake at the ICBM sites?

10 posted on 08/09/2007 1:53:09 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: blam

they may be having more troubles at home then we know or are told.


11 posted on 08/09/2007 1:53:19 PM PDT by camas
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To: blam

It doesnt matter how much of a relic this plane is...the planes fire nuke tipped cruise missiles from stand off range, and that’s a threat.


12 posted on 08/09/2007 1:56:32 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: blam

13 posted on 08/09/2007 1:58:19 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

ROAD TRIP !

14 posted on 08/09/2007 2:01:07 PM PDT by McCloud-Strife (John McCain: great American, poor Senator, Horrible Republican)
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To: Pistolshot

We still fly the B-52.


15 posted on 08/09/2007 2:02:19 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If Roger Maris got an asterisk next to his name, Bonds should get a syringe)
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To: blam
"Yesterday we revived this tradition."

Can their tradition of shooting down passenger airliners be far behind?

16 posted on 08/09/2007 2:03:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Pistolshot

The Tu-95MS Bear H airframes are new-build. The last of them came off the production line in the early 1990s. Compare this to the B-52H still in service with USAF. The youngest B-52H is from October 1962!

The Bear H is a cruise-missile platform carrying the longest range ALCMs in the world.


17 posted on 08/09/2007 2:03:45 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: blam

If we splash just one of these bombers, this sort of thing will stop right quick. Maybe there can be some sort of accident...


18 posted on 08/09/2007 2:04:36 PM PDT by gridlock (You cannot coexist with somebody who wants you dead.)
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To: Pistolshot

The aircraft in the picture is a Bear F of the Russian Navy. It is an Anti-submarine warfare aircraft. In comparison the same age as some of the P-3s used by the U.S. Navy.


19 posted on 08/09/2007 2:05:27 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Pistolshot

Not to mention hear them coming


20 posted on 08/09/2007 2:06:02 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Tommyjo
Not to mention that Guam now houses first strike aircraft and ships...

Lets do what Russia would...Shoot one down!

Mike

21 posted on 08/09/2007 2:07:51 PM PDT by MichaelP (Robby Gordon got hosed...)
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To: gridlock

Whoops! I don’t know what happened, Vlad. I had no idea that American Airlines jet had a missle on it...


22 posted on 08/09/2007 2:08:03 PM PDT by RockinRight (Fred's Campaign: A hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close.)
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To: gridlock

Why would you want to splash an aircraft in international airspace? Last year these Tu-95MS were in the North American ADIZ. Still in international airspace. Reaction is shadow and monitor. It has been going on for years.


23 posted on 08/09/2007 2:09:09 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: blam

Maybe a stealth bomber should visit Leningrad. At night. In rain.


24 posted on 08/09/2007 2:09:56 PM PDT by doodad
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To: Tommyjo
It said they flew OVER Guam!

Mike

25 posted on 08/09/2007 2:10:35 PM PDT by MichaelP (Robby Gordon got hosed...)
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To: mewzilla

Let some Raptors pop up behind them out of no where and light them up; and see if they feel like waving.


26 posted on 08/09/2007 2:11:44 PM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: TChris

Dude, I just died laughing here. That is hilarious.


27 posted on 08/09/2007 2:12:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: blam
I spent 6 months at Andersen AFB during the Viet Nam era, 1972. I just checked the Goggle map and the B-1s there look fine and ready to go! The naval facilities included Polaris Missile Sub support in that era and I suspect that today the new Ballistic Missile subs port there as well.

They might want to reignite the Cold war along with their US sympathizers, AKA the Demoncommies, but no luck!

28 posted on 08/09/2007 2:12:37 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Caesar said, "quae cum ita sunt." (or since these things are so!))
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To: blam
"It was always the tradition of our long-range aviation to fly far into the ocean, to meet (US) aircraft carriers and greet (US) pilots visually,"

Just a reminder, you are in a LARGE, metal, turboprop plane, visually greeting fighter pilots....had the Americans not needed the humor, the only visual you would have had would have been the vapor trail of the missile incoming to make your turboprop a very large....kit.

29 posted on 08/09/2007 2:13:43 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (Visit my blog! http://shawnsblogroom.blogspot.com)
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To: blam

“is likely to have unnerved the Pentagon and caused further perplexity at the State Department over the Kremlin’s mercurial course.”

Your perplexed State Dept...half of whom are vested in the Saudi retirement fund.


30 posted on 08/09/2007 2:15:54 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: blam
Why don't we launch World War II fighters to intercept and not waste jet fuel.

Time to start building Corsairs and Mustangs as intercept planes for these beasts.

That way our jets do not have to fly at almost stall speeds to stay with the Tu-95...

31 posted on 08/09/2007 2:15:55 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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Dude, I just died laughing here. That is hilarious.

Thanks. :-)

Sometimes a picture just tells the story better.

32 posted on 08/09/2007 2:16:12 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: blam
Putin is a moron.

At a time in history when the biggest threat facing both West and East is islamic fundamentalism, Pooty-Poot wants to dig into the past and revive the cold war.

Real smart, Vlad. Real smart.
33 posted on 08/09/2007 2:17:40 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Stop that!)
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To: MichaelP

Get back to me when the U.S. puts in an official complaint of the airspace violation.

That article posted is poorly written and very stilted. A case of lost in translation.

``Whenever we saw U.S. planes during our flights over the ocean, we greeted them,’’ Androsov said. ``On Wednesday, we renewed the tradition when our young pilots flew by Guam in two planes. We exchanged smiles with our counterparts who flew up from a U.S. carrier and returned home.’’

‘Flew by’’. Legally they can go up to the 12mile limit.


34 posted on 08/09/2007 2:18:51 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: PetroniusMaximus
meethinks the MSM got this backwards

the pentagon would be perplexed as to why the Russkies would use an ancient and highly vulnerable and not very effective Tu-95,

the state department was unnerved because this publicity stunt doesn't fit their foggy world view of how things are going internationally...

35 posted on 08/09/2007 2:24:08 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Tommyjo
You are right, of course. But Putin has seemed to have made a decision to restore the former glory of the USSR to Neo-Russia. What do you think is the purpose behind all this provacative behaviour? I don't like it, and it makes me nervous....

Mike

36 posted on 08/09/2007 2:25:25 PM PDT by MichaelP (Robby Gordon got hosed...)
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To: blam
Response to deter this type of activity:P

1) develop a midair, stand off, focused electromagnetic bomb missile.
2) next encounter, warn at 12 miles
3) intercept and fire the missile and detonate
4) EMP missile destroys thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment.
5) maintaining aircraft for these flyovers becomes very expensive.

37 posted on 08/09/2007 2:28:24 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: skeeter
"Yesterday we revived this tradition."

And now we'll revive this "tradition."

And we'll revive this "tradition."

38 posted on 08/09/2007 2:29:49 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: topher

Don’t confuse props and turbo-props. You realise that the Tu-95MS cruise speed is approx Mach 0.67. It is the fastest turbo-prop in service today. Top speed is comparable to the B-52H. Tu-95s will hit approx Mach 0.8 flat out.

WWII fighters wouldn’t be able to intercept such an aircraft at height even in cruise mode. The Tu-95 would out accelerate with ease a P-51.


39 posted on 08/09/2007 2:32:26 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: topher
That way our jets do not have to fly at almost stall speeds to stay with the Tu-95...

If you follow the Wiki link someone put up, it's amazing how fast these prop bombers fly - significantly faster than even a P-38.

It's also amazing how similar they are to the B-52, in everything but bomb load (30k lbs for the Tu-95 and 60k lbs for the Buff).

40 posted on 08/09/2007 2:33:13 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: skeeter
Can their tradition of shooting down passenger airliners be far behind?

Geeeeee thanks, I'm flying to Taiwan end of the month...

41 posted on 08/09/2007 2:38:47 PM PDT by null and void (This tagline has done something unfathomable and will close)
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To: Tommyjo

Thanks. You beat me to it. It’s an impressive airplane. Not as technologically impressive as a B-2 nor as pretty as a B-1B, but not bad. And, just like the B-52, it is still doing what it was intended to do and more.


42 posted on 08/09/2007 2:43:57 PM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: NorCoGOP; blam
"It was always the tradition of our long-range aviation to fly far into the ocean, to meet (US) aircraft carriers and greet (US) pilots visually,"

I had a friend that was an F-4 pilot in the mid 70's who had been stationed in Iceland where he regularly intercepted the Bears. He said that the USSR didn't have anything similar to "Playboy" magazine in those days, so their big laugh was to hold up a centerfold so the guys in the gun blisters could see it. Apparently there was a lot of smiling and waving going on when they did.

The Bear is a loud beast. My F-4 buddy said he could hear the bear from inside the F-4 past the ear protection in his helmet.

43 posted on 08/09/2007 2:49:15 PM PDT by narby
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...It said they flew OVER Guam!...

Actually, the *reporter* said they flew over the island.

We all know how accurate reporters are.

44 posted on 08/09/2007 2:51:59 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Boomchakalakalaka Boomchakalakalaka)
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To: blam

Buzzed.

By a turbo prop.

Okay.

Pictures of my great grandma in cleats running past me as fast as her walker will take her come to mind.

Can’t wait to see another test of their new submarines ability to launch cruise missiles too.

That last show of force went pretty well as I recall. Some of the crew got a good case of swimmer’s ear.


45 posted on 08/09/2007 2:55:42 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: topher
Why don't we launch World War II fighters to intercept and not waste jet fuel. That way our jets do not have to fly at almost stall speeds to stay with the Tu-95...

Because Mustangs and Corsairs don't have enough speed or range, and can't be refueled in flight. The Bear is likely the fastest propeller driven production aircraft with a top speed of 575mph. They're so fast because they drive the props supersonic, which is why the thing is so bloody noisy.

The fastest lap times at Reno with WWII piston fighters is just over 500mph, and that's with tricked out engines turning twice their original wartime power, light airframe and tweeked airframe aerodynamics.

46 posted on 08/09/2007 2:57:02 PM PDT by narby
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To: null and void
I'm flying to Taiwan end of the month...

I wouldn't worry about the Russians - thats Wong Wei's sector.

47 posted on 08/09/2007 3:03:20 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: topher; All
Want to REALLY freak them out?

Next time, send up some Global Hawk drones with ATA missiles hanging from the hard points.

That will have the Bear pilots crap their flight suits.

48 posted on 08/09/2007 3:08:12 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, now fighting for freedom, on duty in Iraq.)
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To: skeeter

Gosh, you’re just one big frickin’ ray of sunshine, aren’t you???

;^P


49 posted on 08/09/2007 3:09:11 PM PDT by null and void (This tagline has done something unfathomable and will close)
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To: blam
Image hosted by Photobucket.com fly 45deg up their fairly blind azz and then hit them with a full power RADAR shot from as close as you think you can get... 8^)
50 posted on 08/09/2007 3:17:23 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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