Posted on 08/09/2007 11:16:40 AM PDT by neverdem
There's good news, bad news and worse news on the immigration issue.
The good news is that Congress and the White House are moving forward with prudent steps, gaining control of the border, securing the homeland against terrorism and reasserting American sovereignty.
The bad news is that, in the past four decades, we've lost a lot of time fighting off the open-borders advocates and the anti-Western multiculturalists. Even as we now seek elementary homeland security measures - so that we can be safe in a world awash with jihadists, narcotraffickers and weapons-of-mass-destruction peddlers - we must first undo the grievous policy choices championed, and enacted, by Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) since 1965. Policies that were co-championed by quite a few Republicans, too, including George W. Bush.
Finally, the worse news is that the cheap-labor lobbyists, terrorists and world-governing globalists are all moving ahead with their various plans. That's the conclusion to be drawn from an alarming story on the front page of yesterday's Washington Times, which informed us that "Islamic extremists embedded in the United States - posing as Hispanic nationals - are partnering with violent Mexican drug gangs to finance terror networks in the Middle East, according to a Drug Enforcement Administration report."
The DEA document, written and stamped "secret" in 2005, continues with these ominous words: "It is very likely that any future 'September 11' type of terrorist event in the United States may be facilitated, wittingly or unwittingly, by drug traffickers operating on both sides of the United States-Mexico border."
The Times also revealed a second report, dated last year, from the Department of Homeland Security, that bolsters the DEA document: "Al Qaeda has been trying to smuggle terrorists and terrorist weapons illegally into the United States." The report added that terrorist outfits "seek to smuggle OTMs..."
(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...
Posts support that from this thread too:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420911/posts
America’s Most Dangerous Gang
...well thank god Islamic extremists are peaceful or I’d be worried...
(/sarcasm)
This is a digrace and if/when we do get hit again there will be hexx to pay by the OBLobby! “...the Bush admin was desperate to keep a lid on all such information while pushing its “comprehensive” immigration reform...the damning verdict of Times reporter Sara A. Carter, “Nearly every part of the Border Patrol’s national strategy is failing.”
The DEA document, written and stamped “secret” in 2005, continues with these ominous words: “It is very likely that any future ‘September 11’ type of terrorist event in the United States may be facilitated, wittingly or unwittingly, by drug traffickers operating on both sides of the United States-Mexico border.”
The Times also revealed a second report, dated last year, from the Department of Homeland Security, that bolsters the DEA document: “Al Qaeda has been trying to smuggle terrorists and terrorist weapons illegally into the United States.” The report added that terrorist outfits “seek to smuggle OTMs [Other than Mexicans] from Middle Eastern countries into the U.S.”
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I want to keep members of the death cult out of the United States. Those who are here - deport.
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Long ago I suggested a way to close the US border with Mexico to non-Mexicans very tightly: create a bounty, payable to Mexicans.
That is, $500 just South of the border looks like a fortune. And the relatively few number of non-Mexicans trying to cross would make it like winning the lottery to many of the Mexicans living there if they could spot a non-Mexican and turn him in.
They tell us where and when the illegals would cross on the phone, and we give them a code number to redeem for cash, anonymously, if we nab the non-Mexican. They don’t have to pay taxes or kickbacks to the local government, either.
By treating it differently than the rest of the illegal immigration issue, we get profound results. More importantly, we nab any terrorist foolish enough to try and enter the US that way.
They might offer a Mexican guide $10,000 to get them across the border. They will take their money, then rat them out for the extra $500.
Sure, we still don’t want illegal Mexicans entering the US, but it might save many, many American lives if we nab just that one terrorist trying to sneak in from Mexico. How easy would that be, with 100,000 hungry eyes always on the look out?
And compared to the enormous sums we spend on other border controls, the cost would just be peanuts. So small that even one rich guy could do it.
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Who woulda thunk it?
Here are some more dots for connection. Mexican govt always related in some way to drug cartels and the terrorism connected with them. Now Mexico has signed a joint economic and cultural agreement with Iran to be implemented next year..is this an official open door for furtherance of drug cartel, terrorist hookups with Iran which will impact US in a most unfavorable way? Yes, in my opiinion it is. Does the ‘cultural’ exchange mean more Mosques in Mexico? Maybe so. Should any investivative committee of the US Govt. be aware of Mexicos new agreement with Iran..yes, it should ...here is the link, read it carefully: http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-22/0707225493010242.htm
Here is the link printed out: Iran-Mexico reach agreement on creating joint economic commission
Madrid, July 22, IRNA
Iran-Mexico-Joint Commission
Iran and Mexico reached an agreement to set up a joint economic commission next year.
In a meeting between Iran’s new Ambassador to Mexico Mohammad Hassan Qadiri-Abyaneh with Mexican Deputy Foreign Minister Lurdes de Aranda the agreement was achieved.
Qadiri also invited Mexico to attend the Non-Aligned Movement foreign ministers meeting in Tehran on human rights and cultural diversities.
Iran’s plenipotentiary and extraordinary ambassador to Mexico expounded on Tehran stances on regional issues, especially Iraq and the results of Iran-USA negotiations about Iraq security and said Islamic Republic of Iran policy is to support national sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Iraq.
Mexico deputy FM, for her part, said her country’s policy is to support peace, security and independence of the countries and has always defended negotiation and dialogue as a way to solve disputes between the countries.
The Mexican senior diplomat also expressed her country’s readiness to expand ties with Iran especially in cultural and economic fields.
My additional comment: ‘cultural’..more mosques, more ‘training’ camps in Mexico? More ‘economic’ connections between Iran and drug cartels?...YES.
A Line in the Sand: Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border
PREPARED BY THE MAJORITY STAFF OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Chairman (pdf link) page 28
III. Vulnerability to Terrorist Infiltration
The number of aliens other than Mexican (“OTMs”) illegally crossing the border has grown at an alarming rate over the past several years. Based on U.S. Border Patrol statistics there were 30,147 OTMs apprehended in FY2003, 44,614 in FY2004, 165,178 in FY2005, and 108,025 in FY2006. Most of them were apprehended along the U.S. Southwest border.100
The sheer increase of OTMs coming across the border makes it more difficult for Border Patrol agents to readily identify and process each, thereby increasing the chances that a potential terrorist could slip through the system. Moreover, there is no concrete mechanism for determining how many OTMs evade apprehensions and successfully enter the country illegally.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) pays particular attention to OTMs apprehended by the Border Patrol who originate from thirty-five nations designated as “special interest” countries. According to Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar, special interest countries have been “designated by our intelligence community as countries that could export individuals that could bring harm to our country in the way of terrorism.”101
Though the majority of overall apprehensions made by the Border Patrol occur in the Tucson sector of Arizona, the Texas border – specifically the McAllen sector – far outpaces the rest of the country in OTM and Special Interest Alien apprehensions. Since September 11, 2001, DHS has reported a 41% increase in arrests along the Texas/Mexico border of Special Interest Aliens.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1864263/posts?page=89#89
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Duncan Hunter: Well, sure. I think we can. And the point is, going back to Mexico is not the end of the world. Mexico is a wonderful country. It has enormous natural resources. We have put billions of dollars into Mexico to give them an economic shot in the arm.
And you know something else, a lot of folks that come to the United States, who are here illegally, have homes in other countries. Now one reason politicians in Mexico City like the open border, is because people come across and send back billions of dollars. The last figure I saw was between 6 – 10 billion dollars a year, of money that they make in the United States to their real homes, in this case in Mexico. But other people come from lots of other countries. In fact in the year 2005 we apprehended, and these are just the folks we caught, we caught a 155 thousand people coming across the border from Mexico that weren’t just citizens of Mexico. They came from virtually every country in the world, including 1100 folks from communist China and a few folks from North Korea and Iran. So the idea that the guy that got smuggled into this country in December because he had an affective smuggler, has the right to have citizenship in the United States, I can’t accept that.
Makes sense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Islamofascists will work on Central and South America once they’re rid of the West. Until then...
I don’t doubt that some of them might work with terrorist types if the money was good enough, but they aren’t going to want to share money with terrorists, fund them, and they’re probably going to be at least a little leery of knowingly working with these types anyway because if the people they are working with start blowing things up in the U.S. it’s going to bring the heat down on them in the worst way. These people that run the drug cartels are greedy businessmen out to make lots of money. They’re making tons of it now and it doesn’t make sense for them to do stupid things to screw that up.
Will terrorist types ever try to use drug runners’ smuggling channels? That is quite possible. Low level types working in these channels would probably help anyone smuggle a package or people if the price was right. Are the people running the drug cartels going to want to “team up” with Islamic terrorists, fund them, help them achieve their goals? I don’t really see that happening. Their interests and their motivations are too divergent. The drug cartels want to keep their businesses going unimpeded by law enforcement and excessive competition. They aren’t going to want to share their obscene profits with anybody they don’t have to share them with. They aren’t going to want to blow their customers up, and they aren’t going to want to fight the real war with the U.S. government that would occur if they were actually funding Islamic terrorists blowing things up in our country. These guys are smart and that would be a very poor business decision for them.
“They’re making tons of it now and it doesn’t make sense for them to do stupid things to screw that up.”
Ask ten drug dealers how many of them use their own product and you’ll find that most do. People on hard drugs tend to have an altered peception of reality. My friend snorted coke occasionally for years. Then he started smoking it. This once hard working honest guy actually talked of breaking into his families house to support his habit. Drug dealers are not what I call business people. They are criminals. Like most criminals, they feel they are smarter then the authorities and will never get caught. Again, the drugs itself alters perception of reality. My point: You think the local gang leader of M15 in Los Angeles gives a rats *ss if some towelhead blows himself up?
“Islamic extremists embedded in the United States - posing as Hispanic nationals - are partnering with violent Mexican drug gangs to finance terror networks in the Middle East, according to a Drug Enforcement Administration report.”
—Two birds, one stone. Now, if we can find someone with the integrity to throw that rock.
More proof that islamofascism has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with getting power, by any means.
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3rd world supremacists unite
You’re talking about common street peddlers. I’m talking about big business organized crime, the kind of people who are making the real money in the drug trade, not some jokers who have to steal from their mommas to feed their crack habits. These guys are real businessmen, and a lot of them do not use the product they sell. They’re very smart, and very concerned about maximizing their profits. These guys have serious money and if they wanted to fund operations for Islamic terrorists they could, but it is not in their interests to do so. Some drug addicted street peddler is not likely to be able to provide much help to terrorists. He’s not going to do much good for anybody. But like I said in my other post, it may very well be that people down in the ranks in these drug trafficking organizations who do things like help smuggle drugs might help some terrorist type smuggle something else or some person or people we don’t want in our country. That certainly could happen, as the DEA said, “wittingly or unwittingly.” I just don’t really see the people running these Mexican DTO’s “partnering” with Islamic terrorists and funding their efforts, etc. It is not in their interests to do that.
What evidence do you have that these Marxist paramilitary groups in Latin America who use drug money to fund their operations have a common cause with radical Islamic terrorists? Their agendas don’t really mesh. About the only thing they have in common is that they are revolutionary types who use terrorist means. Maybe they want to swap bomb making secrets and war tactics with one another or something, but otherwise they don’t have much in common. There have been reports of radical Islamists training in South America. Members of the IRA have also helped train members of FARC in Colombia. Maybe they all have some things in common, but not really a common cause. FARC doesn’t want to turn Colombia into an Islamic state, they want to turn it into a communist state. In Mexico what we have operating is not so much these idealistic paramilitary groups funding their revolutions with drug money, what we have are large and powerful drug trafficking organizations making money for the sake of making money, and doing it quite successfully. They are very much active in this country today as well, controlling a huge chunk of the illicit drug distribution networks on the wholesale side.
I am so fed up with this situation.
Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States, and never has been. Bush’s kissing up to that third-world thuggish nation is unconscionable.
I just don’t believe the hype in this article. I suspect that for the most part it’s more nonsense from the DEA, an agency that seems to have no qualms at all about being fast and loose with the truth in order to achieve their aims. Congress hasn’t been giving them the budget they want for a while. They want more money. They want more access to assets controlled by the FBI, CIA, etc. They want to use all the new loopholes in search and seizure laws put in place for fighting against terrorists within this country. It is in their interests to link drug traffickers with terrorists and exaggerate the evidence and significance of those links as much as possible and that’s just what they are going to do.
That's the truth...I wonder if it can be done. But it must be done, or America will cease to exist.
The “big” business part comes from drug lords in foreign countries such as Columbia. By the time the drug train comes up to the border through Mexican smugglers and the street, all you have is a bunch of thugs. Would the Columbian drug lord help smuggle in Al Queda operatives? NO!!! But would a dirty mexican peasant smuggle one in for say, $500? YES!!!
That could happen. We’ve got thousands of miles of border lands. My guess is that if anyone wants to get in this country bad enough they could figure out a way to do it.
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