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(Sweden:) Government to launch 'driving test' for boats
www.thelocal.se ^ | 08/07/2007 | TT/The Local

Posted on 08/07/2007 9:30:25 AM PDT by WesternCulture

Swedish boaters may soon need to pass a 'driving test' before taking to the seas. Should a forthcoming government proposal gain acceptance the new requirement will apply to boats that are over seven metres long and/or have a top speed of at least ten knots.

"Between 200,000 and 250,000 boat owners may need to take the driving test," said Lars Högdahl from the Ministry of Enterprise.

A generous set of transitional rules may however soften the blow. Seasoned boaters with many years of documented experience will for example be eligible for a licence without needing to first pass a test.

"We are aiming for the future and don't want to take anything away from anybody," said Högdahl.

The official hopes to present the results of his inquiry later this year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: boat; boats; bureaucracy; drunkboaters; drunkwhileboating; government; govwatch; hobbies; hobby; jonsered; leisureboats; leisuretime; missouri; powerboats; scandinavia; sweden; yachts

1 posted on 08/07/2007 9:30:29 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
In government we trust.

I can’t wait till we get ‘driving tests’ for remote controls, cell phones, computers, Jacuzzis, dvd players, lawn mowers, kitchen machines, portable grills and electric toothbrushes here in Sweden. Our politicians must act more rapidly. I nearly cut myself while chopping some onions last evening.


I’m certainly not an Anarchist, but I can’t help but think these song lyrics by British Anarchist group Crass is a wonderful parody of the attitudes most people house towards governments;

“IF THERE WERE NO GOVERNMENT

If there was no government, wouldn’t there be chaos

Everybody running round, setting petrol bombs off?

And if there was no police force, tell me what you’d do

If thirty thousand rioters came running after you?

And who would clean the sewers?

Who’d mend my television?

Wouldn’t people lay about without some supervision?

Who’d drive the fire engines?

Who’d fix my video?

If there were no prisons, well, where would robbers go?

And what If I told you to **** ***?

If there’s no army to stop a big Invasion?

Who’d clean the bogs and sweep the floors? We’d have all immigration!

Who’d pull the pint at the local pub? Where’d I get my fags?

Who’d empty out my dustbins? Would I still get plastic bags?

And what If I told you to **** ***?

It there were no hospitals, and no doctors too,

If I’d broken both my legs, where would I run to?

If there’s no medication. If there were no nurses,

Wouldn’t people die a lot? And who would drive the hearses?

And what If I told you to **** ***?

If there were no butchers shops, what would people eat?

You’d have everybody starving it they didn’t get their meat.

If there was no water, what would people drink?

Who’d flush away the you-know-what? But of course MINE never stink.

What about the children? Who’d teach them in the schools?

Who’d make the buggers keep in line? learn them all them “rules”?

Who’d tell us to whitewash windows? When to take down doors?

Tell us to make a flask of tea and survive the holocaust?”

The part of the world I live in, Scandinavia, is indeed a very nice one. Lots of Scandinavians seem to believe this is because of our authorities and politicians.

Actually, it’s not. It’s because of hard work, broad engagement in matters of business, economy in general, science and technology as well as the influence of a Lutheran moral concept.

Scandinavian politicians have very little to do with the prosperity and success of the Scandinavian countries. In many ways, Scandinavia is a great place to live because of CAPITALISM not of politicians.

Vikings don’t need ‘driving licenses’ to take to the seas.

2 posted on 08/07/2007 9:31:39 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

When they finish that, perhaps they offer explosive safety courses for terrorists.

What a bunch of rubes the decedents of the once great Vikings have become!! They are as much a bunch of wussies as the descendents of Charlemagne, the Conquistadors, and the Romans - not to mention the Angol-Saxons and the American backwoodsmen.


3 posted on 08/07/2007 9:33:34 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: WesternCulture
I'd love to see a testing system for this country's boaters.

How would you like to go for a drive in your car, with just about every driver on the road allowed to break the rules of the road (and not even have to know them) while you must obey every regulation to the max.

That pretty much describes what happens to licensed captains trying to herd large vessels through narrow channels while avoiding all the "monkey boats" zooming around every which way.

It can get really hairy when you're coming through the channel in a ship that takes about a half-mile or more to stop, and you can't steer outside the channel as that would put you aground.

4 posted on 08/07/2007 9:37:52 AM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: WesternCulture

As a former CG Officer, I would advise Sweden to prioritize their testing in terms of who makes the most money, or is worth the most.

Generally speaking, the more expensive the watercraft, the less competent the skipper. I’m not saying its an unmutable law of physics, but the rich generally thing because they were either good or lucky making money, they were experts at everything they do.

Regular joes in small skiffs and weekend boaters are generally the best seamen. The rich are morons, and worse, they are too arrogant to learn the ‘rules of the road’, much less follow them.


5 posted on 08/07/2007 9:42:56 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: ZULU
“When they finish that, perhaps they offer explosive safety courses for terrorists.

What a bunch of rubes the decedents of the once great Vikings have become!! They are as much a bunch of wussies as the descendents of Charlemagne, the Conquistadors, and the Romans - not to mention the Angol-Saxons and the American backwoodsmen.”

- Today, large parts of The Western World is comfortably asleep.

However, I believe things are improving.

Perhaps, we presently experience more of ‘coming-to-awareness’ over here in Europe (read Sarkozy and Merkel), but the battle is not yet lost in America.

I sincerely hope the next president of the US will NOT be named Clinton or Obama.

Well, I can’t do much else than wishing our Conservative friends across the Atlantic Ocean good luck in the next presidential election!

The struggle for sanity goes on.

6 posted on 08/07/2007 9:46:13 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: capt. norm

“I’d love to see a testing system for this country’s boaters”

I don’t know about other states but Alabama has required a vessel license for 7 or 8 years. It applies to everyone who operates a motorized vessel and is directly tied to your automobile license. Get caught operating your boat drunk and you lose you privilege to drive a car. It has cut the death rate for boating accidents by taking most incompetent boaters off the water.


7 posted on 08/07/2007 9:51:21 AM PDT by Quigley
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To: WesternCulture

8 posted on 08/07/2007 9:52:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: WesternCulture

I won’t feel comfortable until western Europe and America wake up, declare Islam the death cult it is, and deport all Muslims.

We have become prisoners of our own political correctness and hypersensitive humanity. Our opponents are not saddled with such obstacles.


9 posted on 08/07/2007 9:58:38 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: RinaseaofDs; capt. norm
I get your points and to a large extent, I agree.

However, bureaucracy costs and my opinion is that Sweden wastes to much money on red tape, regulations and unproductive authorities.

Most severe accidents caused by boaters in my country are due to the dangerous combination of drunkenness and water and I fear the introduction of more laws will not bring about a major change in this area.

But perhaps we will, eventually, find a way to deal with Italian “pizza lingo” Ferrari drivers haunting Swedish roads. More Swedish police officers should be taught Italian. This is the way to go;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWGMWBwdCbA

10 posted on 08/07/2007 10:06:07 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: dfwgator

I can’t believe that took eight posts. What about Invisible Boat Mobiles?


11 posted on 08/07/2007 10:06:19 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: capt. norm
Even when they do think they know the rules of the road they seem to think the rules are carved in stone. Several years back a doofuss with more money than brains, thinking "sail takes precedence", decided to cut in front of the Nantucket ferry. His new 65' got cut in half right in the inner channel. That ferry takes from 1/4 to 1/2 mile to put the brakes on.

Live and learn...

12 posted on 08/07/2007 10:17:40 AM PDT by metesky (Brought To You By Satriales Aerosol PorkChop Mist - The Finest New Jersey Has To Offer!)
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To: WesternCulture

Test? All you do is slam down that throttle and get out of my way baybeeee. We don’t need no stinkin idle zone. There are few situations in life a high power boat and a chain saw can’t get you out of.


13 posted on 08/07/2007 10:24:22 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: metesky
Several years back a doofuss with more money than brains, thinking "sail takes precedence", decided to cut in front of the Nantucket ferry. His new 65' got cut in half right in the inner channel. That ferry takes from 1/4 to 1/2 mile to put the brakes on.

Live and learn...

The rules are not 'carved in stone' as we have the "General Prudential Rule" that essentially says that if you have to break a rule to prevent a collision (or danger to lives), then do it.

Your friend was a victim of a very common misunderstanding of the rules.

Sailboats do not always have right of way.

Among other things they have to yield for row boats, canoes, kayaks etc. and, according to COLREGS Rule #18-B:

(b) A sailing vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:

(i)a vessel not under command;

(ii)a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;

(iii)a vessel engaged in fishing;

The underlined type of vessel includes ships, etc. whose ability to maneuver is restricted by the fact that it can't leave the channel because it has too deep a draft and would run aground (steer to avoid collision) and also the fact that ships have really poor brakes (full speed astern) and there is no other choice.

* 30 or 40 thousand tons in motion bring the law of inertia to the forefront.

14 posted on 08/07/2007 10:42:08 AM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: WesternCulture

Listen, I agree.

As such, you’d think local municipalities have water patrols where they are needed. As such, a written test to get your boat registered would be sufficient, such that they at least have documented they understand all the applicable regulations, the rules of the road, etc.

Beyond the laws, there are also local customs that should be respected too. They aren’t laws, but they are rules there that maintain ‘good will’ that are worth observing.

Some ‘No Wake Zones’ are like this.


15 posted on 08/07/2007 10:59:42 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: capt. norm
Your friend

You misunderstand, capt. No friend of mine at all... However a real friend just got his 100 ton license.

16 posted on 08/07/2007 11:02:27 AM PDT by metesky (Brought To You By Satriales Aerosol PorkChop Mist - The Finest New Jersey Has To Offer!)
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To: joebuck

“There are few situations in life a high power boat and a chain saw can’t get you out of.”

- This is true, but mind you, my Volvo V70 has more hp’s than most conceivable combines of powerboats and chainsaws.

See you, in my rear-view mirror.


17 posted on 08/07/2007 11:03:05 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: RinaseaofDs

Sounds very reasonable, but in Sweden, a system like that would never be considered as ‘enough’.

It will have to be failproof.


18 posted on 08/07/2007 11:07:19 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: RinaseaofDs
As a former CG Officer,

As a former USCG enlisted puke and boarding offier, now resident of an upper-end marina-laden town, I'd have to agree completely. Most townie kids are far more skilled than the lawyers who who drive down here to their the million dollar plus luxury craft.

I'd like when you see a mercedes or bmw in your rear view mirror, you just know they are going to drive like a prick.

19 posted on 08/07/2007 11:11:39 AM PDT by Clam Digger (Hey Bill O'Reilly, you suck! How's that for pithy?)
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To: WesternCulture

LOL, maybe not! Check this link out!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=150866562363735346


20 posted on 08/07/2007 11:14:54 AM PDT by Clam Digger (Hey Bill O'Reilly, you suck! How's that for pithy?)
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To: Clam Digger

Were you in D7 at all? That’s where I learned the rule of inverse proportions on yacht value vs. seamanship.

I was in Steadfast as a cadet in 87, then I was in Polar Star in 88, Bear in 91.


21 posted on 08/07/2007 11:24:28 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Nope, all D1. Yeah, us enlisted call it the law of big boats. The bigger the boat, the more right of way you have.

This past weekend, i was taking a high speed ferry to Block Island, and it had to do a harsh evasive manuever around a stupid sailboat who got a long blast of the horn. I’m sure passengers were throwing stuff at the sailboat, but i’ll never testify!


22 posted on 08/07/2007 11:32:04 AM PDT by Clam Digger (Hey Bill O'Reilly, you suck! How's that for pithy?)
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To: Clam Digger

Yo need more powerful tools than gay chainsaws to kill off a Volvo.

Preferably something monstrous;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORhiYYNDl6s

I wonder what the remnants of the giant Caterpillar would’ve looked like if the Volvo was of the same size.

Whatever you hear about Volvo... is probably true. But I admit Americans, Japanese and Germans know something about this specific art too.

:-)


23 posted on 08/07/2007 1:03:39 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Damn, some days I really miss running heavy equipment.


24 posted on 08/07/2007 1:09:11 PM PDT by Clam Digger (Hey Bill O'Reilly, you suck! How's that for pithy?)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Generally speaking, the more expensive the watercraft, the less competent the skipper.

Pretty much the same with cars and drivers............

25 posted on 08/07/2007 1:28:44 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Clam Digger

“Damn, some days I really miss running heavy equipment.”

OK, it isn’t cheap but it is a solution..

http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/home.jsp

Furthermore, I think more women should allow their men to enjoy themselves in all areas of life!

What’s wrong with cutting down trees and seeing some sl***?

http://www.tilton.usa.jonsered.com/Files/Jonsered/cs/downloads/videos/WhyStayOrdinary.wmv


26 posted on 08/07/2007 1:33:47 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

LOL< When I need equipment at home, i borrow it from my employer. I really don’t think much of hummers, as they are only chevy trucks with a very expensive and way too fancy body slapped on them.

The jonsered ad is interesting, i guess, i don’t get it. I own only Husqvarna saws, anyway.


27 posted on 08/07/2007 1:53:03 PM PDT by Clam Digger (Hey Bill O'Reilly, you suck! How's that for pithy?)
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To: doorgunner69

“Pretty much the same with cars and drivers............”

- I’m still alive.


28 posted on 08/07/2007 1:56:49 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Clam Digger
“When I need equipment at home, i borrow it from my employer.”

- The only fully functioning thing I’ve ever managed to borrow from an employer was a rusty Mercedes van. I needed it when I moved from one place to another.

A certain workmate (out of some reason) tried to convince this former employer of mine that it wasn’t the policy of the company to lend its trucks out to ‘anyone’.

My former boss, who was somewhat tired of old Mercedes vans, replied;

“- It is.”

My mother drove it (I didn’t have a drivers license back then) and I don’t know what happened to it after it was parked somewhere. I think we left it outside a football arena.

“The jonsered ad is interesting, i guess, i don’t get it.”

- Like the lyrics go, “It’s all in your mind”. My interpretation is this:

The main character is trifle bored with his private life. Therefore, he cuts down trees and has begun to look around for other females.

Is this behavior right or wrong?

You be the judge.

29 posted on 08/07/2007 2:31:39 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: massgopguy

Puff: No, no. The first thing is to start the boat. Spongebob? Spongebob, relax. It’s only the boat.
Spongebob: The boat?
Puff: OK, now what do you do next?
Spongebob: Floor it?
Puff: Yes… no! Don’t floor it.
Spongebob: Floor it?
Puff: No, don’t, don’t floor it.
Spongebob: OK, floor it.
* crash * *Mrs. Puff inflates*
Puff: Oh, Spongebob… why?


30 posted on 08/07/2007 2:36:41 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: WesternCulture

I don’t know, the two guys were eyeballing eachother a lot. some gay overtones there, i’d saw, and he’s trying to compensate by felling trees.


31 posted on 08/07/2007 2:46:29 PM PDT by Clam Digger (Hey Bill O'Reilly, you suck! How's that for pithy?)
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To: Clam Digger

“I don’t know, the two guys were eyeballing eachother a lot. some gay overtones there, i’d saw, and he’s trying to compensate by felling trees.”

- Again, it’s all in your mind.


32 posted on 08/07/2007 3:10:56 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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