Posted on 08/02/2007 2:55:22 PM PDT by blam
Giza didn't happen first ~ it happened "later" after a period of development. And yes, there is a "test pyramid" ~ check out "The Step Pyramid of Saqqara built for King Zoser". I believe a later, larger pyramid, was initially built at too steep an angle and started to collapse. They changed the angle on the upper portion.
Still, there are hundreds of millions of people living in the region.
There are also large stone structures built in United Kingdom, Norway, and Spain that predate the Egyptian stone structures.
The engineering of stone structures is clearly something that developed in many cultures over many centuries.
Petula is that you?
"The great pyramids of Egypt provide a wonderful glimpse of the artistry, skill and imagination of the ancient world. But pyramids can be found in India, China, Peru, Bolivia, Mexico and Ireland. In this provocative book, geologist Schoch (noted for his work in redating the Sphinx, which was recounted in his Voices of the Rocks) wonders how so many diverse cultures built such similar structures with similar purposes.
Using geological, linguistic and geographical evidence, he contends that a protocivilization of pyramid-building peoples was driven out of its homeland, the Sundaland, which geologists believe connected Southeast Asia with Indonesia, by a rise in sea level caused by comet activity between 6000 and 4000 B.C. Fleeing their homeland, these peoples took their knowledge of pyramid building with them into Sumeria, Mesopotamia, Egypt, China and Peru.
Schoch hypothesizes that the pyramids were built to reach into the skies and to penetrate the mystery of the heavens, source of catastrophe.
Schoch also asserts that the pyramids point to unity and symbolize the deep concerns shared by all humans. Schoch builds his engrossing case on geological details of the pyramid sites he has examined around the world. In the end, however, even he admits his evidence of a Sundaland protocivilization is speculative.
As controversial as this book is bound to be, Schoch's evocation of the pyramids forcefully reminds us of their enduring power as monuments to the spirit of human creativity."
There are presently more pyramids in Mexico that all the rest of the world combined.
The horse outline is relatively modern. Stonehenge is far older than ANYTHING in Egypt.
BTW, the Chinese had ships with ocean going capability by about 1875 BC ~ and probably used them.
The Great Pyramid and Stonehenge were built by the same people. The Sphinx is much older but wasn’t so much built as hammered out of an outcrop. Anyway, none of this stuff is all that old. 30,000 BC is old.
There's a maximum angle possible using limestone. When you exceed that angle you end up with a pile of rubble. The world is littered with piles of rubble.
If we cared we could probably detect their former presence by evaluating the percentage of rubidnium present in the sand used to build the dykes in Nederland.
This will certainly happen to Chicago at some time in the next 35000 years. Archaeologists will then postulate a predecessor civilization that sent missionaries South to build the ruins of the complex on top the hills at New Orleans.
Very likely. Might be interesting although it wouldn’t have much value since the ownership records are also long gone. What is interesting is that the moose emigrated from Asia to Alaska at the same time as the migrating bands of hunters about 12,000 years ago. A wildlife biologist from Univ of Alaska just got an award for proving that.
What I am wondering is why we don’t hear much about the giant cog stones in the grand gallery.
No, the 'Fertile Crescent' ran west from Mesopotamia through Syria and Israel to Eypt.
Rethinking a History That's Carved in StoneThree months after the announcement of its discovery in Central Asia, a tiny stone object inscribed with symbols thought to be the writing of an obscure desert culture from 4,000 years ago is more of an enigma than ever. If this is indeed an early form of writing, as its discoverer has suggested, it is strong evidence for a previously unknown civilization that began about 2300 B.C. across much of modern Turkmenistan and parts of Uzbekistan and Afghanistan... An even more puzzling aspect of the discovery has been raised by specialists in ancient Chinese writing. They contend that the inscription bears more than a passing resemblance to Chinese writing -- not an early script, but one that was not used until about 200 B.C... There is no clear evidence for Chinese writing before about 1300 or 1200 B.C. -- 1,000 years after people lived at the Anau site in Turkmenistan where the mysterious inscription was unearthed... Another possibility, which would throw the scholarship of Chinese writing into turmoil, is that the 2300 inscription date is correct. That would suggest that influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point.
by John Noble Wilford
July 31, 2001Another ancient civilization found"It's not ancient Iranian, not ancient Mesopotamian. I even took it to my Chinese colleagues," he said. "It was not Chinese." ...No one knows the extent of this civilization, which may reach beyond Margiana, deep in the Kara Kum desert, and Bactria, which straddles the Uzbek-Afghan border. Hiebert said he believes that a third area, Anau, outside Ashgabat near the Iranian border, is connected to this civilization, perhaps even the origin of the culture. It is about 2,000 years older, going back to 4500 BC, or the Copper Age.
by Faye Flam
May 3, 2001 [no url]Ancient writing found in TurkmenistanA previously unknown civilisation was using writing in Central Asia 4,000 years ago, hundreds of years before Chinese writing developed, archaeologists have discovered... The discovery suggests that Central Asia had a civilisation comparable with that of Mesopotamia and ancient Iran as far back as the Bronze Age, University of Pennsylvania archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert told the BBC... It is not known what the people of the civilisation called themselves, so researchers have dubbed the society the Bactria Margiana Archaeology Complex (B-Mac), after the ancient Greek names for the two regions it covers.
Tuesday, 15 May, 2001, 05:57 GMT 06:57 UK'Earliest writing' found in ChinaSigns carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists... They predate the earliest recorded writings from Mesopotamia - in what is now Iraq - by more than 2,000 years. The archaeologists say they bear similarities to written characters used thousands of years later during the Shang dynasty, which lasted from 1700-1100 BC... The archaeologists have identified 11 separate symbols inscribed on the tortoise shells. The shells were found buried with human remains in 24 Neolithic graves unearthed at Jiahu in Henan province, western China. The site has been radiocarbon dated to between 6,600 and 6,200 BC. The research was carried out by Dr Garman Harbottle, of the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York, US, and a team of archaeologists at the University of Science and Technology of China, in Anhui province... Dr Harbottle points to the persistence of sign use at different sites along the Yellow River throughout the Neolithic and up to the Shang period, when a complex writing system appears. He emphasised that he was not suggesting the Neolithic symbols had the same meanings as Shang characters they resembled... The shells come from graves where, in 1999, the researchers unearthed ancient bone flutes. These flutes are the earliest musical instruments known to date.
by Paul Rincon
'Earliest writing' found in ChinaTartaria tabletsOne of the Tartaria tablets The three Tartaria tablets are believed by some to be a very early form of writing, over a thousand years older than the Sumerian and Egyptian writings. They were created around 4500 BC by the so-called Vinca culture and were mamed after Tartaria, Transylvania, Romania, where they were found.
The script combine pictograms with abstract symbols which some experts consider to be comparable in design to the early Sumerian writings, while others consider them to be simply random scribbles. Their meaning (if any) is unknown. If they do comprise a script, it is also not known what kind of writing system they represent.
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