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Beyond Mesopotamia: A Radical New View Of Human Civilization Reported In Science
Eureka Alert ^ | 8-2-2007 | American Association For Advancement Of Science/Andrew Lawler

Posted on 08/02/2007 2:55:22 PM PDT by blam

Public release date: 2-Aug-2007
Contact: Natasha Pinol
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Beyond Mesopotamia: A radical new view of human civilization reported in Science

Many urban centers crossed arc of Middle Asia 5,000 years ago

A radically expanded view of the origin of civilization, extending far beyond Mesopotamia, is reported by journalist Andrew Lawler in the 3 August issue of Science.

Mesopotamia is widely believed to be the cradle of civilization, but a growing body of evidence suggests that in addition to Mesopotamia, many civilized urban areas existed at the same time – about 5,000 years ago – in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan, according to Lawler.

“While Mesopotamia is still the cradle of civilization in the sense that urban evolution began there,” Lawler said, “we now know that the area between Mesopotamia and India spawned a host of cities and cultures between 3000 B.C.E. and 2000 B.C.E.”

Evidence of shared trade, iconography and other culture from digs in remote areas across this arc were presented last month at a meeting in Ravenna, Italy of the International Association for the Study of Early Civilizations in the Middle Asian Intercultural Space. The meeting was the first time that many archaeologists from more than a dozen countries gathered to discuss the fresh finds that point to this new view of civilization’s start. Science’s Lawler was the only journalist present.

Archaeologists shared findings from dozens of urban centers of approximately the same age that existed between Mesopotamia and the Indus River valley in modern day India and Pakistan. The researchers are just starting to sketch out this new landscape, but it’s becoming clear that these centers traded goods and could have shared technology and architecture. Recovered artifacts such as beads, shells, vessels, seals and game boards show that a network linked these civilizations.

Researchers have also found hints, such as similar ceremonial platforms, that these cultures interacted and even learned from one another. A new excavation near Jiroft in southeastern Iran, for example, has unearthed tablets with an unknown writing system. This controversial find highlights the complexity of the cultures in an area long considered a backwater, Lawler explained.

These urban centers are away from the river valleys that archaeologists have traditionally focused on, according to Lawler. Archaeologists now have access to more remote locations and are expanding their studies.

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“Middle Asia Takes Center Stage,” by Andrew Lawler of Science’s news team. For copies of this article or to request an interview with Mr. Lawler, please contact Natasha Pinol at +1-202-326-7088 or npinol@aaas.org.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) is the world’s largest general scientific society, and publisher of the journal Science (www.sciencemag.org). AAAS was founded in 1848, and serves 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, reaching 10 million individuals. Science has the largest paid circulation of any peer-reviewed general science journal in the world, with an estimated total readership of 1 million. The nonprofit AAAS (www.aaas.org) is open to all and fulfills its mission to “advance science and serve society” through initiatives in science policy; international programs; science education; and more. For the latest research news, log onto EurekAlert!, www.eurekalert.org, the premier science-news Web site, a service of AAAS.


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KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; civilization; godsgravesglyphs; human; jntsa; marysettegast; mesopotamia; platoprehistorian; science; sundaland; victorsariyiannidis; viktorsarianidi; viktorsarigiannidis
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...many civilized urban areas existed at the same time – about 5,000 years ago – in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan..

This is more consistent with my view that the first civilizations are even older and the Indus and Mesopotamian civilizations were spawned by ancient civilizations that sank when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Last Ice Age. Wise Men From The East and all.

1 posted on 08/02/2007 2:55:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Sundaland

2 posted on 08/02/2007 2:56:55 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

3 posted on 08/02/2007 2:58:10 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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There was a great Flood in Sundaland?


4 posted on 08/02/2007 3:01:47 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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I am always convinced that there was a civilization that predated Mesopotamia. It would be in present day India to Indonesia.


5 posted on 08/02/2007 3:03:22 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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To: blam
This is more consistent with my view that the first civilizations are even older and the Indus and Mesopotamian civilizations were spawned by ancient civilizations that sank when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Last Ice Age. Wise Men From The East and all.

Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?
6 posted on 08/02/2007 3:03:23 PM PDT by mutley
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To: blam

read later


7 posted on 08/02/2007 3:05:07 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?

My money's on Minas Tirith...

8 posted on 08/02/2007 3:08:01 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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My money's on Minas Tirith...

Okay...but what is that?
9 posted on 08/02/2007 3:10:09 PM PDT by mutley
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"Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?"

Sundaland may have been Atlantis.

10 posted on 08/02/2007 3:12:30 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: mutley
Where Was Atlantis? Sundaland Fits The Bill, Surely!
11 posted on 08/02/2007 3:16:52 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Sundaland may have been Atlantis.

It would certainly make sense out of the historical record. And the immediate production of language, writing and engineering. I have a hard time seeing the Giza pyramids as the result of attempts at construction.
12 posted on 08/02/2007 3:19:09 PM PDT by mutley
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I’m thinking that Minas Tirith was the capitol of the land of Gondor, in Middle Earth.


13 posted on 08/02/2007 3:21:00 PM PDT by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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I’m thinking that Minas Tirith was the capitol of the land of Gondor, in Middle Earth.

Ah...now I see. Thanks.
14 posted on 08/02/2007 3:23:12 PM PDT by mutley
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To: blam
Many urban centers crossed arc of Middle Asia 5,000 years ago
Maybe they knew some little places to go to... Where they never closed... Downtown.
15 posted on 08/02/2007 3:29:56 PM PDT by samtheman
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extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan.

I believe that they are talking about pre-Persion Iran.

16 posted on 08/02/2007 3:31:22 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (A person who does not want the best for America)
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To: Old Sarge

LOL


17 posted on 08/02/2007 3:33:10 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
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Advanced pictoglyphic systems were developed even earlier in Finland/Russia and Inner Mongolia.

There's gotta' be a cold, dry period sometime about 4000BC that drives these people and the reindeer and muskox herds they lived on South into Mesopotamia and the Huang Ho/Yangtse river systems where they could, in short order, expand those systems (and their accounting methods) into hieroglyphic writing.

All the rest of civilization would then arise out of the settled living and agricultural traditions of the folks from the South.

However, a civilization without some form of writing is just short of being a civilization.

Note, by hypothesizing a cold, dry period we can neatly get rid of the settled traditions in Ukraine. Those folks would have simply died out or found themselves reduced to being hunter/gatherers unable to maintain settlements.

18 posted on 08/02/2007 3:35:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan,

Is this another way of saying, what has been used for a very long time as the "fertile crescent"?
19 posted on 08/02/2007 3:35:41 PM PDT by mutley
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Maybe they knew some little places to go to... Where they never closed... Downtown.

...where people are all the same...a place to go where everybody knows your name.

20 posted on 08/02/2007 3:36:32 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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