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Carjack Victim Turns Tables On Attackers (FL)
CBS4 ^ | August 2, 2007 | Shomari Stone

Posted on 08/02/2007 1:01:02 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Bullets flew in a bank parking lot in Miramar Thursday morning as an attempted carjacking turned into a shoot out.

Miramar police say it happened just around 5:30 a.m. in front of the Wachovia bank branch on Miramar Parkway and 68th Avenue. Fifty-seven-year old Bruce Allen Williams had just pulled his truck up to an ATM at the bank when two men got out of a small brown car and demanded the keys to William's truck.

As Williams got out of the truck and handed the would-be carjackers his keys, one of the robbery suspects fired on him. Williams, who has concealed weapons permit, drew his own gun and fired back, hitting at least one of the men. Williams was not hurt. Both of the robbery suspects then took off on foot as the driver of the small brown car fled the parking lot.

Police established a perimeter in the area in an effort to capture the 3 suspects, one of which is suffering from a gunshot wound.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Florida
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Wonder if he should have been a bit more preemptive in pulling his weapon. The bad guys don't ALL have miserable aim!
1 posted on 08/02/2007 1:01:05 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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2 posted on 08/02/2007 1:01:21 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
We should make that moron wear the shirt -- "I was shot by my carjack victim and all I got was this stupid t-shirt."

Then again, the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishments...

3 posted on 08/02/2007 1:06:04 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I was not there. If they had the drop on him he may have been waiting for an opportunity to pull his piece. As they take the keys is a good time to move.

Still - at that time of the morning, heck any time, the wise will take a good look around the parking lot as they pull in and look for a parking space.

Not many people “just sit” in a parking lot. They are zipping in and out.

Keep you eye’s wide open and your head on a swivel.

4 posted on 08/02/2007 1:07:27 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: John123; DaveLoneRanger

No, I love that one! Like the lady who stole the PTA money. The judge made her put a hige sign in her front yard,

“I STOLE THE CHILDREN’S PTA MONEY!”


5 posted on 08/02/2007 1:08:01 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: John123

How about if we just let him bleed to death, slowly.


6 posted on 08/02/2007 1:08:31 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Just LUV the Fort Liquor Dale area.........Happy to say my daughter travels with SP101 there.......


7 posted on 08/02/2007 1:08:40 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I have to admit, I was wishing I was armed last night when I was cornered by two cars in a road rage incident, and one of the drivers came up to my window threatening me. Instead I called 911.

Glad the guy in this story was successful.


8 posted on 08/02/2007 1:09:01 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: litehaus

What a great little revolver - I’ve always wanted one.


9 posted on 08/02/2007 1:10:04 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Well, that will probably happen if the mope was seriously hurt buy the bullet and didn't seek medical care quickly...

In that case, the epitaph on his grave stone will be "My Carjack Victim Shot And Killed Me... And it is all Bush's Fault."

10 posted on 08/02/2007 1:12:23 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Yes! Let’s hear it for us Old Farts!
But - his aim could have been a bit better.


11 posted on 08/02/2007 1:14:03 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Froufrou
No, I love that one! Like the lady who stole the PTA money. The judge made her put a hige sign in her front yard,

Didn't that liberal radio station, Air America do the same thing?

12 posted on 08/02/2007 1:15:16 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Considering all of the expedited Kidnappings going on in the SW of these United States, I would suggest to all residents that they obtain said permit to carry asap.


13 posted on 08/02/2007 1:16:44 PM PDT by HonestConservative ((drive the fight to the right [Duncan Hunter] , and do so with pride!))
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Both of the robbery suspects then took off on foot as the driver of the small brown car fled the parking lot.

Evildoers are Cowards whenever they encounter another Firearm besides their own. Cowards and Scum.

14 posted on 08/02/2007 1:17:45 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!!)
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To: John123

Dunno. Never listen to Air America or that creepy Al Franken.


15 posted on 08/02/2007 1:17:59 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Good Aim!


16 posted on 08/02/2007 1:18:10 PM PDT by Chili Girl
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To: Tired of Taxes

Oh my. I hope you will soon remedy any future worry with a weapon and a permit?


17 posted on 08/02/2007 1:18:36 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: PeteB570

“Keep you eye’s wide open and your head on a swivel.”

What a sight that would be, blue and white marbles dancin’ down the street...


18 posted on 08/02/2007 1:19:41 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: HonestConservative
"Considering all of the expedited Kidnappings going on in the SW of these United States, I would suggest to all residents that they obtain said permit to carry asap."

Fixed it for you. :-)
19 posted on 08/02/2007 1:19:47 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I doubt the bad guy fired first. But that would be my story and I’d stick to it.


20 posted on 08/02/2007 1:31:30 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: Kitty Mittens
Both of the robbery suspects then took off on foot as the driver of the small brown car fled the parking lot.

Evildoers are Cowards whenever they encounter another Firearm besides their own. Cowards and Scum.

What I think's funny is that the small-brown car guy took off, leaving his buddies behind. No honor among thieves.

21 posted on 08/02/2007 1:34:53 PM PDT by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: John123

How about one of those big yellow signs in your window saying, “Warning: GUN ON BOARD”


22 posted on 08/02/2007 1:47:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: John123
We should make that moron wear the shirt -- "I was shot by my carjack victim and all I got was this stupid t-shirt and real fancy ankle bracelet: on a 40' chain.!"
23 posted on 08/02/2007 1:48:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

> one of WHICH is suffering from a gunshot wound <

[emphasis added]

Appropriate choice of words for beings who don’t deserve the “human” label!


24 posted on 08/02/2007 1:52:18 PM PDT by Hawthorn (duncanforprez + fredforveep = Hunter Thompson!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I agree....he was lucky not to be hit.


25 posted on 08/02/2007 1:55:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: scan59
What I think's funny is that the small-brown car guy took off, leaving his buddies behind. No honor among thieves.

So true! He only cared about his own Rotten Hide!

26 posted on 08/02/2007 1:56:05 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ha ha.


27 posted on 08/02/2007 2:16:01 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
They picked the wrong guy to carjack. They're lucky to be alive.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

28 posted on 08/02/2007 2:19:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: wolfcreek
How about one of those big yellow signs in your window saying, “Warning: GUN ON BOARD”

LOL! I like the way you think!

Of course, in the real world, that is a very bad idea. If the carjackers, or any other criminals, see that sign (assuming they can read), and decide to go after you anyway, they will likely come in shooting. Or they may break in to the car when it is parked, looking for the gun. Better to have the fact that you are carrying come as a surprise to them.

And if you ever have to use the gun, you can bet your last dollar (and you may well have to do exactly that in lawyers' fees) that the noospaper and TV stations in your community will prominently show that sign, along with whichever of the 150 photos they took of you that seems to show you with a sneer on your face. Together those photos will prove that you are a dangerous "gun nut" who should be put behind bars for shooting that "boy" (He was only 17; and, yes, I know he was 6'4" and 225 pounds, but they will not mention that.) who "made everyone laugh" and was "turning his life around." They will show pictures of his grieving mother, grandmother, sisters, aunts, and two year old daughter, who now has to grow up without her father (as though he was actually actively involved with her), and his pregnant girlfriend (not the mother of the two year old). The activists in your community will stage demonstrations, and the District Attorney, facing reelection in the fall wil feel compelled to indict you for second degree murder.

You must prepare ahead of time to win the shooting AND what comes afterwards.

If you live in Texas, you may disregard the two preceeding paragraphs. (God bless Texas!)

But I still like the way you think.

29 posted on 08/02/2007 2:45:30 PM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping.


30 posted on 08/02/2007 2:50:28 PM PDT by arbooz ("Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man." H.L.Mencken)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Good point.


31 posted on 08/02/2007 2:51:09 PM PDT by HonestConservative ((drive the fight to the right [Duncan Hunter] , and do so with pride!))
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To: Tired of Taxes

Far better to be able to call upon your 1911.


32 posted on 08/02/2007 2:53:11 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: litehaus
Happy to say my daughter travels with SP101 there.......

Little brother to this?

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33 posted on 08/02/2007 2:56:59 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: wolfcreek
How about one of those big yellow signs in your window saying, “Warning: GUN ON BOARD”

I like this better:

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34 posted on 08/02/2007 2:59:22 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: rmh47

Actually, in Florida they will show pictures of the family of the little dirtbag who “made everybody laugh” and “was turning his life around” as the family members grieve and then burst into uncontrollable weeping when they find out that, under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, the shooter can not be prosecuted because he feared death or serious bodily injury, and the shooting occurred in self defense during the commission of a forcible felony.

Then the uncontrollable weeping will turn into mud splattered conniptions with rending of garments and gnashing of teeth when the family of the dead dirt bag finds out that, under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, they can’t file a civil suit, either.

I like it here. :)


35 posted on 08/02/2007 3:12:24 PM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: sig226

Good for Florida! Perhaps there is still hope for civilization to endure, at least on this side of the Atlantic.


36 posted on 08/02/2007 3:32:10 PM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: DaveLoneRanger

That’s the way to do it!


37 posted on 08/02/2007 3:43:37 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: sig226

“mud splattered conniptions”

Heh, heh!

;^)


38 posted on 08/02/2007 4:28:49 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Cobra64

Wait...That almost looks like a “Ham on Rye”...

One of these days I’m going to get to use that line...;-)


39 posted on 08/02/2007 5:07:10 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stevie_d_64
Wait...That almost looks like a “Ham on Rye”...

One of these days I’m going to get to use that line...;-)

I think you're replying to another post. ??

40 posted on 08/02/2007 5:26:14 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: scan59

small brown car with the suddenly brown seat :)


41 posted on 08/02/2007 6:50:13 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: sig226

You are making it awful tempting to move.


42 posted on 08/02/2007 7:06:23 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: rmh47

I used to have one on my Suburban that said, “Warning: Driver only carries $20 worth of ammunition”.


43 posted on 08/02/2007 7:49:32 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Thank God I had decent parents ... who taught me to shoot.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
We're considering of retiring to Texas from California, for many obvious reasons. Can we carry our primary In Home Defense System (a Mossberg Cruiser 20 ga pistol grip short barrel pump loaded up with magnum shotshells) in our car?? Or are we limited to a handgun?

Told to me by an officer of the law: what manner of reactive confrontation does a hot burglar or home invader fear most? A woman with a shotgun. That why the wifey is checked out and totally comfy with the System.
44 posted on 08/02/2007 7:50:13 PM PDT by MelonFarmerJ (Proudly Voting Conservative in every Election since 1964)
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To: MelonFarmerJ

No idea myself; you’ll have to contact officials there. You can probably call the Texas Department of Justice and have them send you a packet of information there. I know that Texas is pretty lenient on firearms carry, except for the strange exception that open carry isn’t allowed. In my state, open carry is permissible without a permit.

I’ve never thought of handguns as “limited” versus shotguns. I’d rather have something a little more portable myself.


45 posted on 08/02/2007 8:09:15 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: HonestConservative
“Considering all of the expedited Kidnappings going on in the SW of these United States, I would suggest to all residents that they obtain said permit to carry asap.”

In much of the Southwest (Arizona and New Mexico) you don’t need to have a permit to carry a gun. You can carry openly, which I often do.

Your vehicle, in New Mexico, is considered an extension of your home, so you do not need a permit to have a firearm concealed in your car. In Arizona, a firearm in a holster is not considered concealed in your car if it is in the glove box or map pocket, or other storage compartment.

46 posted on 08/03/2007 4:33:36 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Thank you. Its good to know!


47 posted on 08/03/2007 10:41:03 AM PDT by HonestConservative ((If not for ear marks hoisted by people like Murtha, our infrustructure could be improved))
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Oh my. I hope you will soon remedy any future worry with a weapon and a permit?

Fat chance, he lives in New Jersey.

48 posted on 08/03/2007 11:04:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wolfcreek
How about one of those big yellow signs in your window saying, “Warning: GUN ON BOARD”

Too obvious. Just have an NRA Sticker beside your GOA sticker which is beside your CCRKBA sticker which is beside your state rifle association sticker.

49 posted on 08/03/2007 11:06:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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