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MI5 'is keeping bomber alive'
Scotland on Sunday @ Scotsman.com ^ | Sunday, 29th July 2007 | RICHARD ELIAS

Posted on 07/29/2007 1:00:43 AM PDT by kalee

SEVERELY burned Glasgow Airport attack suspect Kafeel Ahmed is being kept alive on the orders of MI5, senior police sources have told Scotland on Sunday.

Ahmed has third degree burns to 90% of his body and virtually no chance of surviving but insiders claim the security services are keeping him alive to avoid a backlash from radical Muslims.

The 27-year-old doctor is on life support at Glasgow Royal Infirmary but two separate police sources - as well as medical staff - claim the decision to keep him alive has more to do with politics than clinical judgment.

One insider estimated the combined cost of round-the-clock security and medical treatment for Ahmed for the month since the attack had reached £150,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gla; haymarketbombing; intelligence; jihadineurope; kafeelahmed; mi5; muslimdoctors
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But Paul Martin, Labour's justice spokesman, said: "So many times, people seem to be more interested in the civil liberties of the individual rather than those of the majority. There were hundreds of people at the airport that day, what about their civil liberties?"

Isn't that the truth?

1 posted on 07/29/2007 1:00:45 AM PDT by kalee
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To: kalee
Glasgow human rights lawyer Amar Anwar said: “It is barbaric that we are stooping to such levels against this individual, no matter how heinous the crimes he is accused of committing.”

Another leading human rights lawyer, John Scott, said: “It is quite wrong for anyone to be dealt with differently medically because of who they are or what they are said to have done. It is entirely inappropriate to keep anyone alive for political reasons.”

Aren’t doctors supposed to fight FOR the life of their patient? And the Brit equivalent of the ACLU fight to let him die.

If he had been refused treatment because of the heinousness of his crime can you imagine the outcry?

2 posted on 07/29/2007 1:05:46 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: kalee
Non-citizens have no civil liberties. Civil liberties are granted by the government to citizens, and never to non-citizens. Human rights, on the other hand, belong intrinsically to all human persons. But even those rights are conditional on reciprocally observing the rights of others. Terrorists don't. And so they lose all their rights.
3 posted on 07/29/2007 1:07:37 AM PDT by sourcery (fRed Dawn: Wednesday, 5 November 2008!)
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To: kalee

Uh, isn’t a terrorist attack already *worse* than some imagined “backlash”? They should keep him alive for questioning, not to pandering to other terrorists, if that’s what they are afraid of.

Next thing you know, they’ll be hosting ramadan dinners at the ...


4 posted on 07/29/2007 1:07:43 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: kalee

The guy has third degree burns over 90% of his body. I hope they’re keeping his sorry ass alive so he can SUFFER!


5 posted on 07/29/2007 1:13:20 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: kalee

I cannot imagine torture being worse than this. Mercy killing would be wrong and praying for him to die would be also. Sorry Achmed.


6 posted on 07/29/2007 1:16:05 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (In the Rise and Fall of United States I hope the Fall part is more than one chapter.)
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To: F15Eagle

Give him the ‘Blackjack’ Pershing treatment.


7 posted on 07/29/2007 1:25:47 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: kalee
"keeping him alive to avoid a backlash from radical Muslims."

The Brits have lost their minds!

Let the bastard die.....and if the "radical Muslims" act out -- kill them too.

By definition -- one can NEVER satisfy or negotiate with a "radical Muslim"....

8 posted on 07/29/2007 1:29:42 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: kalee

He obviously has to wait for the 72 virgins.


9 posted on 07/29/2007 1:31:31 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: ought-six

Exactly. He needs to be kept alive for as long as possible to extract all sorts of information he has. Britain is thick with Islamic sleeper cells, and this man’s sorry life must only be looked at as a tool to expose them. Once all information is used, make him apologise, and then let him die... slowly. These are animals that have to be shown no mercy.


10 posted on 07/29/2007 1:33:35 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

You have insulted my ‘animal’. This garbage is cesspool ooze.


11 posted on 07/29/2007 1:38:56 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: CarrotAndStick
These are animals that have to be shown no mercy.

I'll sip three fingers of Oban to support this view, neat, of course. Yummy!

12 posted on 07/29/2007 1:46:51 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: river rat

Do you really believe they’re keeping him a live because they fear a “backlash”? Yeah, right. They need to interrogate this guy for as long as possible. Also, keeping him in constant agony is a nice side benefit.


13 posted on 07/29/2007 1:48:43 AM PDT by billybudd
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To: CarrotAndStick

From the article I don’t think he’s talking. He’s in a coma.

I’m curious do they mean that he’s really brain dead, but they’re keeping him on life support to keep from announcing his death and thereby stir up the moslem population or are they really suggesting he’s so badly injured that he should just be allowed to die?


14 posted on 07/29/2007 1:49:32 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: CarrotAndStick

He’s comatose. A rotting veggie, a harzardous waste site.


15 posted on 07/29/2007 1:51:15 AM PDT by elli1
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To: kalee

but insiders claim the security services are keeping him alive to avoid a backlash from radical Muslims.


Darn, I was hoping they were doing it to keep him in a constant state of pain.

It might just be me, but if I had sworn enemies who started a fight, the last thing I would worry about is hurting their delicate sensibilities.


16 posted on 07/29/2007 1:55:48 AM PDT by kenth (Let me hear your war cry!)
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To: kalee
Glasgow human rights lawyer Amar Anwar said: “It is barbaric that we are stooping to such levels against this individual, no matter how heinous the crimes he is accused of committing.”

I can’t disagree that it is Barbaric to keep this man alive which why we should.

If this man survives and regains consciousness the rest of his life will be constant pain.

With scarring over ninety percent of his body he will be crippled, every movement of his body will be a fresh experience in pain.

If his eyes have survived he will not be able to go out in public with out experiencing the looks of pity and/or revulsion on the faces of his fellow human beings.

He will go through decades of surgeries and convalescences as doctors try to restore movement to his mangled limbs.

He will pray for death every day for the rest of his life.

I can not think of a more just punishment for what this man attempted to do.

17 posted on 07/29/2007 2:03:40 AM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: sourcery
"Non-citizens have no civil liberties. Civil liberties are granted by the government to citizens, and never to non-citizens. Human rights, on the other hand, belong intrinsically to all human persons. But even those rights are conditional on reciprocally observing the rights of others. Terrorists don't. And so they lose all their rights."

Well stated. Should be said repeatedly until everyone has a good understanding of Justice 101.

18 posted on 07/29/2007 2:07:53 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: kalee
I'll cut his head off!

No wait,
thats how Islam treats everyone else.

/PC = owns all accept Islam.

19 posted on 07/29/2007 2:11:12 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Pontiac
But you left out the best part...

Remember, this man did what he did because his certainty that he'd gain a sexual reward in paradise motivated his action.

Remember, the 911 attackers shaved the hair from their bodies, shaved extra-closely, etc., in eager anticipation of their first meeting with their dates....

So, by keeping him alive, if he is conscious, he can not only be interrogated, not only tortured (passively!) while the UK can claim they're "helping" him (and this is fantastic, it's the only way it could have worked out this way--great, ain't it?), but the terrorist lives with the knowledge that no amount of hair-plucking, combing, or deoderant will cover up their HORRIBLE DISFIGURATION IN THE AFTERLIFE.

Say "goodbye, virgins!"

Sauron (My day has just been made!)

20 posted on 07/29/2007 2:26:58 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: Westlander
Okay, let me correct that: "These are rabid animals..."
21 posted on 07/29/2007 2:34:46 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Westlander
I heard pork fat is good for burns.

(Please don't send me posts about fat and burns -- I know, I know)
22 posted on 07/29/2007 2:51:48 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: kalee

Correct me if I’m wrong. But hasn’t there been some experimentation in where doctors graft pig skin onto burn victims to help their recovery? I seem to remember reading about it in an article about pig heart valves.

I’m not saying this should be done in this case, The pig skin, I mean. But at least it might help convince the Muslims that the Brits are a compassionate people….


23 posted on 07/29/2007 2:58:39 AM PDT by koskenkorva
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To: kalee

Excellent. Keep the POS alive as long as possible. Oh yeah. No narcotics.


24 posted on 07/29/2007 3:08:50 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: Westlander

And it’s medically justified.

SKIN SUBSTITUTES IN BURN TREATMENT - OUR EXPERIENCE

Dioguardi D., Brienza E., De Robertis M., Di Lonardo A.

Istituto Policattedra di Chirurgia d’Urgenza e Chirurgia Plastica, Cattedra di Chirurgia Plastica, Universita di Bari, Italia

” The most widely used sustitute of this kind was pigskin, because of its greater affinity with human skin.
Pigskin was used first fresh and then lyophilized, because it was easily preserved and immediately made available for use after immersion in physiological solution.
In recent years other preparations have been employed, among which we can mention:

* glycerinized pigskin
* glycerinized pigskin impregnated with silver ions
* glycerinized pigskin conjugated with aldehydes.

Conjugation with aldehydes, in particular, makes the skin antigenically inert without any negative effect on the structural integrity of the biological material, demonstrating overall a retention 10 times as great as an untreated xenograft.


25 posted on 07/29/2007 3:12:02 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: kalee

Dip one bullet in bacon grease and then plug the sumb!th right between the eyes while playing a cassette tape of the Muslim Rage Boy screaming ‘aaaallllllaaahhhh aaaaaakkkbaarrrrrrrrr’!


26 posted on 07/29/2007 3:13:03 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: koskenkorva

I read that they are using shark skin on this guy.


27 posted on 07/29/2007 4:08:14 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
He obviously has to wait for the 72 virgins.

They are on back-order.

What's the gestation time of a goat?

28 posted on 07/29/2007 4:12:15 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavr-Straw™)
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To: sauron
Remember, this man did what he did because his certainty that he'd gain a sexual reward in paradise motivated his action.

Heh. Not after that Scot "went Braveheart" on him.

I do not think geldings get the virgins.

29 posted on 07/29/2007 4:14:46 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavr-Straw™)
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To: kalee

Kept alive with burns over 90% of his body. A punishment worse than death. Could you turn down his morphine drip, just a little?

If ever anybody brought it on himself...


30 posted on 07/29/2007 4:18:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Bestowing kindness on the evil visits cruelty on the good.)
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To: Kozak

I’m pretty sure he’d go into shock and die without his morphine drip.


31 posted on 07/29/2007 4:21:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Bestowing kindness on the evil visits cruelty on the good.)
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To: jwh_Denver
This man is in severe pain. Xenografts of pigskin to the areas of his body ravaged by the fire would prevent the loss of electrolytes and cover the exposed areas, giving him at least a chance to stop having all of the pain and possibly heal. I know of at least two cases where cell culture skin and xenografts saved individuals.

The pigskin would be a fitting treatment also for this cult following POS.

32 posted on 07/29/2007 4:55:27 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: kalee
SEVERELY burned Glasgow Airport attack suspect Kafeel Ahmed is being kept alive on the orders of MI5, senior police sources have told Scotland on Sunday.

I have no trouble with keeping him alive. Interrogation is a wonderful thing! I trust they are not wasting pain meds on him however.

33 posted on 07/29/2007 5:04:05 AM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: elli1
He’s comatose. A rotting veggie, a harzardous waste site.

I understand he is being kept in a comatose state by medications. Whether this is for medical or humanitarian reasons, I have no idea.

34 posted on 07/29/2007 5:08:52 AM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: kalee

Just make an organ donor out his sorry carcass.
Line up as many recipients as possible before putting the animal out of its misery; then harvest everything possible befores it goes bad.


35 posted on 07/29/2007 5:13:41 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
I read that they are using shark skin on this guy.

Not certain, but isn't shark on their verboten list because it's cartilaginous instead of bony, and because it has no scales?

36 posted on 07/29/2007 5:14:32 AM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: night reader

Wouldn’t it be just grand if when he woke up they could inform him that his heart had been replaced by that of a pig?


37 posted on 07/29/2007 5:16:51 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: kalee
virtually no chance of surviving but insiders claim the security services are keeping him alive to avoid a backlash from radical Muslims.

If that is even partially and/or remotely true, it is about as revealing as a revelation can get. Could things be so far gone over there, that this might actually be the reason he's being kept alive?
38 posted on 07/29/2007 5:23:52 AM PDT by mutley
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To: ought-six
The guy has third degree burns over 90% of his body. I hope they're keeping his sorry ass alive so he can SUFFER!

Reminds me of the CSI episode where the woman killed her husband / whatever, then burned herself. At the end she is all alone in the hospital room wrapped like a mummy from head to toe, excepting for two little slots over her eyes. Then they show her blink.

39 posted on 07/29/2007 6:00:14 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: kalee

Maybe they’re just keeping him alive while awaiting his “turn” under Britain’s socialized medicine?


40 posted on 07/29/2007 6:11:32 AM PDT by Roccus (Fighting politicians IS the war on terror!)
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To: kalee
Image hosted by Photobucket.com is this the same goathumper who while laying on the ground sizzling, the cabbie kicked him the ballz so hard he sprained his ankle???
41 posted on 07/29/2007 6:15:10 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Pontiac

“I can not think of a more just punishment for what this man attempted to do.”

There were innocent people at that airport that luckily avoided the same fate.

Thank God these intelligent “doctors” were very inept at terrorism.
I wonder how many children and babies were at the airport the same day. Children who could now be the ones laying in the hospital with burns?


42 posted on 07/29/2007 6:18:48 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Gorzaloon
He obviously has to wait for the 72 virgins.
They are on back-order.

Or, we have some factory reconditioned virgins available right now.

43 posted on 07/29/2007 6:19:15 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: kalee

If all convicted terrorists were given 3rd degree burns over 90% of their body and kept alive for months, there’d be less terrorists.


44 posted on 07/29/2007 6:19:16 AM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: 6SJ7
we have some factory reconditioned virgins available right now.

*Gasp* How insensitive! The Stock Number you show is reconditioned with a ham. They pull the soupbone out after installation.

See the Operator's Manual on the Acme 'Akbar Consort'™ Model 12 Rev A, "Rebushing proceedure".

45 posted on 07/29/2007 6:42:33 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavr-Straw™)
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To: mkjessup
Embalm him with 100% liquefied PIG LARD!

LLS

46 posted on 07/29/2007 6:43:23 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: kalee
If he's able to speak coherently, then take away the morphine to get information from him. Terrorists have no civil rights under the Geneva Convention in any country that signed it.
47 posted on 07/29/2007 6:45:14 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: kalee

Let’s hope this raghead terrorist is in constant, agonizing pain.


48 posted on 07/29/2007 6:50:13 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's as simple as ABC - Anyone But Clinton (that includes Osama Hussein OBama too))
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To: kalee

Since when have doctors had the option of keeping someone alive with such severe burn injuries as the terrorist inflicted on himself?
If if was possible to do so, many more burn victims would live than currently survive such injuries..


49 posted on 07/29/2007 7:10:33 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: elfman2

“If all convicted terrorists were given 3rd degree burns over 90% of their body and kept alive for months, there’d be less terrorists.”

excellent point.
maybe there are those planning on future missions, and watching this hopefully will make them squeamish.


50 posted on 07/29/2007 7:14:19 AM PDT by Scotswife
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