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Owners may pay for barking dogs
Orange County Register (CA) ^ | 7/17/07 | DOUG IRVING

Posted on 07/17/2007 9:55:15 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Santa Ana has created a new category of public nuisance: dogs that bark incessantly for no apparent reason.

And under the law, the owners of such dogs may have to pay.

The city has received nearly 1,000 complaints of noisy animals since 2001, but only three rose to the level of a criminal proceeding. The new law, adopted late Monday, allows the city to issue citations to the owners of barking dogs without pursuing a criminal case.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: annoyances; canines; dogs; law
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1 posted on 07/17/2007 9:55:16 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Shoot them, and then find a new home for the dog.


2 posted on 07/17/2007 9:57:05 AM PDT by Random Access
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To: kiriath_jearim

Good. Some people have to get up and got to work in the morning.


3 posted on 07/17/2007 9:57:20 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Proof that God really does exist!


4 posted on 07/17/2007 9:57:54 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: kiriath_jearim
dogs that bark incessantly for no apparent reason

There's always a reason - chained 24/7, no food or water, lonely, neighbors coming in at all hours waking it up, etc.

5 posted on 07/17/2007 9:59:18 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Why have a pet if you aren’t going to love it and keep it with you and your family.


6 posted on 07/17/2007 10:03:02 AM PDT by John Will
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To: mtbopfuyn

They should charge by the bark not by the complaint.


7 posted on 07/17/2007 10:03:39 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen
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To: kiriath_jearim

Some dogs I just don’t understand. My daughter is back home from College for the summer and brought her long haired chichuaua with her. The dog is cute as a button and quite loveable but the darn thing is constantly barking in that high pitched yap-yap-yap that drives you crazy. When I take him out to do his duty he will stand there and bark at the top of his lungs for 10 solid minutes at .....nothing. No car, joggers or cycles...just barking at nothing. I never take him out before 10 AM because it wouldn’t be fair to the neighbors. I’ll be glad when it goes back to campus.


8 posted on 07/17/2007 10:03:45 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: John Will
Why have a pet if you aren’t going to love it and keep it with you and your family

Nobody wants a dog that barks all the time in the house with them :^)

9 posted on 07/17/2007 10:06:17 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: kiriath_jearim

They could just hire Newman to get rid of them.


10 posted on 07/17/2007 10:06:45 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The dogs may have a perfectly legitimate reason for barking.


11 posted on 07/17/2007 10:07:10 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: joebuck

We have a Papillon Puppy that is the same way.

The Humane Society says give her a treat to distract her. Oh right, that’s going to work.....


12 posted on 07/17/2007 10:08:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: joebuck

Chichuauas and poodles should never be classified as dogs.


13 posted on 07/17/2007 10:10:07 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: kiriath_jearim

That’s a step in the right direction, but still way too lenient.

15 minutes of barking should be the absolute top-end limit. 15 minutes of inaction by the dog’s owner means it’s been abandoned or ignored. That person has no business keeping an animal.

You wouldn’t leave a young child out in the yard for 15 minutes, alone and crying. Why should anybody allow that to happen to a dog?

Some people do have animals that are difficult to train. In that case, the owner should always be present with the dog and a muzzle should be used while he or she is doing their business outdoors.


14 posted on 07/17/2007 10:10:26 AM PDT by gunservative
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To: Dixie Yooper

Nobody wants a dog that barks all the time in the house with them :^)

Which is exactly why my neighbor’s two Pomeranians (ugh) bark all day outside.


15 posted on 07/17/2007 10:10:33 AM PDT by doodad
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To: kiriath_jearim

Juries of dogs’ peers will have to decide if there was a reason for barking incessantly.


16 posted on 07/17/2007 10:10:34 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: netmilsmom

I bought this because of my next door neighbors dog. http://www.ultimatebarkcontrol.com/ds_Pro.htm It really works.


17 posted on 07/17/2007 10:11:05 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dixie Yooper

I counter with this. On 11 it seems to get the point across.

http://www.littledawgamps.com/


18 posted on 07/17/2007 10:13:59 AM PDT by doodad
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To: doodad
Which is exactly why my neighbor’s two Pomeranians (ugh) bark all day outside

My next door neighbor has a golden retriever that barks all the time. When we first moved into our house, he would let it loose at night so it was like a guard dog. The stupid thing would come to our kitchen or living room window and bark at us. When I complained to my neighbor, he understood and now keeps his dog in the back yard behind a fence. Now he barks constantly all day and night because he can't get out.

19 posted on 07/17/2007 10:15:53 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is the first dog legislation I cannot oppose.

It is very possible to train a dog not to bark. And not all that hard, either.

The dogs that are chained 24/7 in the back yard bark out of boredom and frustration. I expect you would too in that situation.


20 posted on 07/17/2007 10:16:22 AM PDT by upchuck (If you don't have borders, you won't have a nation ~ Mark Steyn)
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To: stuartcr

“The dogs may have a perfectly legitimate reason for barking.”

Baloney.

There is never a reason for a dog to bark incessantly.


21 posted on 07/17/2007 10:16:25 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: saganite

You rang?

22 posted on 07/17/2007 10:17:00 AM PDT by xp38
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To: netmilsmom
I have two Irish Setters (male and female litter mates) they have learned (because I always give in) to crouch down in the play position and bark ... bark ... bark while I am typing a response to someone on FR ... two large Milk Bones sends them out the door! They do it on purpose!
23 posted on 07/17/2007 10:18:51 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Baloney.......


24 posted on 07/17/2007 10:19:17 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Steal from one person, and you're a criminal. Steal from EVERYONE, and you're a Government.)
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To: doodad
I thought the only amps that go to 11 were Marshalls.
25 posted on 07/17/2007 10:19:19 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: kiriath_jearim

Cats don’t bark! :)


26 posted on 07/17/2007 10:19:45 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Stick to talking about your own candidate. We’re smart enough to figure out the rest on our own.)
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To: xp38

Hello, Newman.


27 posted on 07/17/2007 10:19:50 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: webstersII
How many people do you know who complain incessantly?

What this does though, is create work for investigators whose sole job is responding to dog barking complaints and determining if the dog was barking for a reason or none. What kind of job is that?

28 posted on 07/17/2007 10:20:22 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: webstersII

How do you know this?


29 posted on 07/17/2007 10:20:54 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: webstersII
There is never a reason for a dog to bark incessantly.

I'm sure the dog thinks there is. Of course, it is up to the human who owns the dog to either see to its needs so the reason to bark is removed, or to train the dog properly so it knows when barking is appropriate.

30 posted on 07/17/2007 10:21:29 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
There's always a reason - chained 24/7, no food or water, lonely, neighbors coming in at all hours waking it up, etc.

The dog may have his or her reasons, but there is no reason or excuse for the dog owner to allow that kind of behavior. I'm surprised there aren't more homicides (of dog owners) over this issue. It can be very aggravating.

31 posted on 07/17/2007 10:21:42 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Dixie Yooper

It may get to that.
She is a house dog. She doesn’t go outside except for
“Nature calls”

That doesn’t mean she is not annoying in the house.


32 posted on 07/17/2007 10:22:07 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: MEGoody
it is up to the human who owns the dog to either see to its needs so the reason to bark is removed

Most dog owners with barking dogs don't have a clue that their dogs bark. A $1,000 fine should enlighten them a little.

33 posted on 07/17/2007 10:24:49 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I have four cats that meow, especially when it is feeding time. Do I need to be concerned?


34 posted on 07/17/2007 10:25:30 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: stuartcr
The dogs may have a perfectly legitimate reason for barking.

Yes yippie puppy next door to me has her reasons to bark all day & night none stop...its hot, its cold, the grass is wet, the grass is too dry, the bugs are biting, the birds are flying, the wind is blowing. This mutt has not shut in 6 years and its owner could care less. Calling the police does no good unless its after 11pm and then only if they happen to hear it barking when they get there.
35 posted on 07/17/2007 10:26:06 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Random Access

Or, just feed them some “Chinese toothpaste”.


36 posted on 07/17/2007 10:26:29 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: kiriath_jearim
I've known dogs to bark incessantly after losing a game of cards!


37 posted on 07/17/2007 10:27:22 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: the anti-liberal

2 of my neighbors have stupid barking dogs and now they both hate me for leaving a polite note about it.


38 posted on 07/17/2007 10:27:22 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Sunrise, Florida)
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To: kiriath_jearim

First of all, bark collars work and work very well.

Before we moved to a place where our neighbors are far enough away to not matter, we had a neighbor whos stupid dog would set-off barking 24 hours per day at the slightest noise or motion. I couldn’t even go to our kitchen at night to get a drink of water without that idiot dog detecting me and barking for the next 45 minutes. And if I was in my back yard it was continuous barking, regardless of the time of day.

I remember that there was a hole in the fence and his dog would poke his kisser through the hole and snivel and bark and yap at me while I was in my back yard. One day I had a tennis ball in a “Chuck-It” and that moron dog had his face in the hole and I let that tennis ball fly... I did feel some guilt because physical violence against a dog is .... well, I guess it’s wrong. But it sure felt right that day. Unfortunately, I just missed the dog’s face. It would have sure felt good to bop him right in the nose.

I eventually called the city enough times that they came and took the dog away, permanently... presumably to be ground up and made into Chinese toothpaste.


39 posted on 07/17/2007 10:28:27 AM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: boxerblues

I feel for you, our previous neighbor had Pomeranians like that. It would seem that these are good reasons to a dog.


40 posted on 07/17/2007 10:32:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Sometimes the reason is they are just naturally obnoxious.

But granted, dogs left outside are the 1s most likely to cause a disturbance (unless you’re the next neighbor in the apartment complex - which is REALLY annoying).

Some throw them outside because they can’t control the dog. Others because it’s just the way they do things.

I don’t mind people being fined for this. Not dogs that sometimes bark (they should!), but the “incessant” type.


41 posted on 07/17/2007 10:33:25 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: joebuck

grab the leash and train the dog. Where this is nothing there tell it NO BARK.

You have to train the “4 legged, flea bitten hound.”


42 posted on 07/17/2007 10:35:04 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: bicyclerepair

I have neighbors with 2 barking dogs. I’ve gotten so used to it that it no longer bothers me though - I hardly notice. They can be barking at my cat, five inches away on the other side of the fence, and she doesn’t even flinch - she just ignores them like they don’t exist. It’s hilarious.


43 posted on 07/17/2007 10:35:07 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: netmilsmom

>We have a Papillon Puppy that is the same way.

The Humane Society says give her a treat to distract her. Oh right, that’s going to work.....<

I’ve 5 of them, of varying ages. It’s amazing, they are quite capable of learning “Hush”, and “No”. Treat them as you would a child.

A water sprayer, or if you need to go up in corrective power, a flyswatter, works wonders as a behavior modifier.


44 posted on 07/17/2007 10:35:18 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: netmilsmom

What molly-coddling BS, always shoving a treat at a dog. It’s bribery, never teaches them anything except you’re a sucker, and makes them fat. And that is if they feel like eating.


45 posted on 07/17/2007 10:35:34 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: stuartcr
I feel for you, our previous neighbor had Pomeranians like that. It would seem that these are good reasons to a dog.

In all honesty I cant blame the dog, if the owner would give it just a little attention it would not be this way. It has not had any training what so ever.
46 posted on 07/17/2007 10:36:26 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Dixie Yooper

He HAD a fence and still let him run wild at night?????


47 posted on 07/17/2007 10:37:29 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

48 posted on 07/17/2007 10:39:08 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Now if they’ll just add car alarms...


49 posted on 07/17/2007 10:41:16 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: kiriath_jearim

50 posted on 07/17/2007 10:42:53 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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