Posted on 07/15/2007 6:26:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
TWO weeks after my husband and I quit our jobs, gave up our Brooklyn apartment and moved to Mexico to travel and work as freelance reporters, I discovered I was pregnant. Among the subjects I hoped to write about in Mexico was its restrictive abortion laws. Now I was contemplating an abortion myself. Even though my period was 10 days late, it hadn’t occurred to me that I could be pregnant....
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
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What is always, consistently and invariably missing from this kind of reflections is any kind of moral sensibility. There is no essential understanding of right or wrong expressed (although it's hard to believe it's not felt at some level) - it is all about what is right for us, right now, in our lives. The baby's life literally has no inherent value. There is no admitting of what "not having the baby" actually means in real life, in real time, in real actions.This is the missing piece, this is the bridge that those committed have to cross - the rhetorical work that abortion advocates have done over the past four decades has worked and worked well. Undoing that work and doing our own is the task - of example, of teaching, of love.
And, even though some don't like to hear it - of law as well. The law speaks loudly, and right now we know exactly what it says. That matters.
I have 4 kids—last one is 18 years old. I read the article. Why did my monitor screen get blurry?
After reading the story I can say with confidence-this woman’s husband is a self-centered weasel.
These idiots went to Mexico with NO plan, NO job, just to experience those SMELLS and to climb pyramids? The cabs don't even have SEATBELTS!!!
A Joyride Through Mexico's Healthcare System
So, it's probably a good thing she's pregnant in mexico where the healt care system is the best.
God??? These people don't believe in God.
It just seems to me to be so shallow and air headed to even think of murdering and unborn child to enhance a career.
Life doesn’t happen until it happens to a liberal.
Wait until she has an ultrasound and sees her child and hears its beating heart.
Forgot this part. Perhaps it's because the best care really is in the U.S. Why are mexican women virtually crawling across the border to have their babies here?
I read the entire article, you are insulting weasels
This guy is a worm
But every aspect of the life of a liberal is about supporting the Overall Theme, even aspects they are not aware of. Right now the Overall Theme is to tear anything having to do with America down, which means we will move heaven and earth to agitate for some cause here, but that same issue is of no interest in some third world country.
What does this indicate? That the Real Issue was not seat belts or smoking, but just Against Anything American. Hate US healthcare, not because of any objective standard about health care, but because it must be better anywhere else, even in Cuba where the citizens get to share on bottle of generic aspirin.
Stop trying to introduce logic to the discussion. As Glenn Beck so often says, you can't discuss things logically with a liberal because their justifications for their views are so twisted, if you actually draw them to the logical conclusions they don't meet up. The circle doesn't close. There's no coherence.
So, to a liberal the pregnant Mexican woman is only here because her husband dragged her across the border. He came because he was forced by "big farming" (Bush's buddies, all) to come to do work that "Americans won't do." See, doesn't that make more sense?
TWO weeks after my husband and I quit our jobs, gave up our Brooklyn apartment and moved to Mexico to travel and work as freelance reporters, I discovered I was pregnant.
would the baby be an anchor baby???? free health care? free welfare? free schooling? in-state tuition for college???
Maybe this idiot (I thought she was journalist) ought to go Here (page 46-47) and compare the infant mortality rate between mexico (23) and the U.S.(7) before she spews her idiocy anymore.
Amen....these people are pathetic and there’s MILLIONS like them here.
It is time for both of them to grow up. I pray that the baby may help bring that about, but I am not optimistic.
re: the statistical data,
As a good scientist friend of mine says, “Nothing like some contrary
data to destroy your favorite theory”
Of course it won’t matter to a former NY Times reporters.
For them it will be “false, but true”.
Someday this kid is going to love his mother for saving his life, and hate his sperm donor for wanting so badly to be rid of him for lifestyle reasons.
So much for the orginal argument about abortion needing to be legal to save the life (style) of the mother.
(Interesting insights into the sperm donor’s liberal logic about abortion- better to have an abortion than ride around pregnant without a seat belt)
The father is a self-centered jerk.
One of the good things about Mexicans is that they LOVE babies, obviously. Perhaps the influx and growth of the Mexican American population (whether we fix the borders or not, this is going to happen), will bring a new appreciation overall towards babies and Life.
The reality is the baby comes to live with you not the other way around. Her last sentence is what awaits all parents, the one that I still am enjoying……….
I read a small part of the report. It’s the obvious. Thanks. Too early for me to read 58 pages right now. I need coffee.
I hope her and husband see the baby throwing them the finger.
The Lord is already at work with them. There they are in Mexico, surrounded by people with children, little babies everywhere. They might never have thot of keeping that child were they in NYC still. And once that child is born, they will never be the same. “Theoretical” hits Reality. Reality wins.
How does someone “accidentally” have intercourse?
Wow, talk about literally throwing the baby out with the bathwater! Amy Welborn must have one of the tinniest ears in the Western world!
The mother-to-be didn't put her moral sensibility into "religious speak" or the kind of right-and-wrong language that apparently will appease dogmatic Catholic demands. But the piece is literally pregnant with moral sensibility! What's more important, it was actually published in the NYT, where it has a very good chance of influencing a lot more liberal minds that have been brainwashed by the "pro-choice speak" of the writer's husband. It will save babies' lives!
The author of the piece clearly knows right from wrong on an unspoken but obvious level. And that perception will now reach many more like her, coming as it does from a "culturally acceptable" point of view. We will win this war one mind and one baby at a time, not by forming our usual "purist" circular firing squad.
I happen to be agnostic when it comes to divine influence. I'm not wishy-washy: I just don't have so much arrogance as to believe I can know the Great Mystery. Nor do I believe any other mere mortal can, not the Pope nor any other religious leader. What's much more important to me is living a moral and ethical life and espousing positive life-affirming values. That I try to do. If Amy Welborn doesn't like my position, or the author's, she can tend her own Holy water.
Wonder if her husband is the boyfriend she talks about in this article:
“I feel your pain: Learning to live with a Red Sox fan”
By Ronda Kaysen
“By the time my boyfriend told my mother, over brunch in a Downtown cafe, that missing the afternoon’s Red Sox game was akin to missing the birth of his first child, I already had a good hunch of what future lay ahead for me. Chances are it involves a TV in the delivery room.”
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_77/ifeelyourpain.html
Plenty of ranting and raving in your reaction, but nothing about what Amy actually said—that the one and only ethical standard the writer upholds, and the only guide she followed in reaching her decision to give birth, is “what is right for us, right now, in our lives.” That’s why the NYTimes printed the piece; it would also have printed it if she had decided on partial-birth abortion, or infanticide for that matter, as long as it felt to her like the thing to do at the moment.
As the late Steve Allen used to say, "You can't argue with that logic."
I dunno, CITIZENSHIP?
It wasn't the report, per se, I was interested in. It was the stats. The author is bragging about the great care babies get in mexico compared to the U.S. According to the report the neo-natal fatality rate is over 3X that of the U.S.
I realized something. She's being used and doesn't even know it. They must know she's a journalist. They give her access to all the best care knowing she'll write these glowing stories while the proletariat in mexico dies around her out of her sight.
Read my other posts on this thread. They link to articles she has written about mexico. One would think, according to her, mexico would be preferred over the U.S.
More about Ronda:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/01/21/MN163392.DTL
(2001) Across the street from the National Archives, Ronda Kaysen, 23, a 1999 graduate of the University of California at Santa Cruz, held a blue and white banner reading “Keep Abortion Legal.” Kaysen, now a writer in New York City, had boarded a bus chartered by the National Organization for Women at 3:45 yesterday morning for the inaugural.
“I felt I had to make my voice heard,” she said, describing Bush as an appointed president. “This is the most upset I’ve ever been. I’ve lost sleep over this.”
Kaysen also complained that the demonstrations seemed poorly organized and unfocused.
http://www.breakupnews.com/photo.asp?blog_id=60
(7/2004)
Ronda Kaysen, 27, would like to reiterate that she and Daryl Rosado, 42, remain broken up. The couple first broke up on Valentine’s Day 2002, after Mr. Rosado cancelled the evening’s activities. The two had been dating for six weeks. “He was a total loser,” said Kaysen of her former flame. “He flaked on me like three times in a month.” Rosado was Kaysen’s first relationship after her tumultuous break up with Martin Brower, a design student at Pratt University, eight months earlier. Why anyone would date a male design student remains unclear.
Rosado marked the beginning of a string of short-lived affairs for Kaysen. “It was all about the sex, anyway,” said Kaysen, a Brooklyn-based writer. “And if he wasn’t going to put out, what was the point?”
http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/letters/2005/06/23/rude_comments/index.html?pn=2
(2005) Lynn Harris must have been that fly buzzing around my kitchen this weekend when my mother came to visit. “You should have a baby soon. Women are so unlucky, nature isn’t kind. Look what happened to your sister — she had to have a cesarean!” I guess that’s what happens to women who have babies over 30 — they get cut open. Funny thing is, I’m not even married! And I’m only 27. Ms. Harris is right; the inappropriate, invasive questions are outrageous. If people would spend more time worrying about their own lives and less time worrying about mine, we’d all be a little better off.
— Ronda Kaysen
So Ronda, “If people would spend more time worrying about their own lives and less time worrying about mine, we’d all be a little better off.”, why did you write the NYT article???
Sure am glad they got over their “me-ism” enough to allow their baby to live! Amazing how short sighted some people can be. They think a baby means they can NEVER ever do what they want to do again.
>> insulting weasels
Understatement.
>> “We don’t have to keep it,” I told David.
>>
>> “We’re keeping it.”
Are they sure now? What is “it”? Could “it” be a baby?
Unfortunately, liberalism regenerates itself, so there’s no point in considering a trade of people like these for illegal immigrants.
Second, regarding her quote, "No, no, no,” I said. “This isn’t good. We can’t have this baby.”...doesn't she mean "we can't have this inanimate mass of tissue"?
How naive. She actually thought that a contraceptive sponge would prevent pregnancy? Looks like she learned about contraception from watching Seinfeld.
You nailed it!
Ah, so she is a proponent of outsourcing. How nice.
We'll miss him when he goes off to school, but we've never been overly sentimental about our kids going out on their own. We're happy that we've prepared them to face the world on their own, but they always know we're here when they need us. And I plan, when we finally get settled down South, to build a house that will accomodate them all, and their families, when they come to visit!
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