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'Today' Blames McCain Implosion on War Support; Rollins Tells It Like It is
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 07/11/2007 5:21:09 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

If I hear one more MSM outlet ascribe the implosion of John McCain's candidacy to his support for the war in Iraq, I'm going to scream . .

Let's see. Why don't we check out this morning's "Today"?

NBC REPORTER CHIP REID: He's been falling steadily in the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll from 29% in December to 24 in March and last month just 14%. His unwavering support of the Iraq war is unpopular with moderate Republicans and he insists he won't change his position for political purposes.

Yeeeeeeeearrrrrrhhhhh!

Reid did go on to mention McCain's support for "immigration reform" [read amnesty] as another issue hurting his campaign. But anyone who thinks McCain's support for our Iraq policy [a position shared by the frontrunners] is his main problem with GOP primary voters is as out of touch with the Republican base as only the MSM can be.

View video here.

Fortunately, in the succeeding segment veteran GOP consultant Ed Rollins injected a much-needed dose of reality. Excerpts from Rollins comments, speaking with "Today" co-host Matt Lauer.

REPUBLICAN COMMENTATOR ED ROLLINS: I think at the end of the day John's campaign is suffering because John is not projecting as a good candidate . . . John has basically not been able to catch fire. There was a great misperception that he was going to be the frontrunner because he was the alternative in 2000. He wasn't a great candidate in 2000, he lost nine of the thirteen primaries on Super Tuesday, he got his message mixed up, he's not clearly articulated what it is, and there's no political base out there for him today . . . He's too closely identified with Democrats for a lot of hardcore [Republicans], with Senator Kennedy, with Senator Kerry -- talked with him about being a vice-presidential candidate. The political base, the Republican political base, don't trust John McCain.

Precisely.

Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: edrollins; mccain; todayshow

1 posted on 07/11/2007 5:21:14 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Buh-bye McCain ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 07/11/2007 5:21:43 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

McCain’s campaign imploded because of his IMMIGRATION STANCE and nothing more.......except possibly McCain himself.....


3 posted on 07/11/2007 5:26:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The MSM has it backwards, McCain’s support of the Iraq War is a plus for this primary voter, his holding hands with Teddy Kennedy during the attempt to ram Amnesty down our throats was the last straw.

Sleep with the Enemy and we do tend to remember that sort of thing....


4 posted on 07/11/2007 5:26:36 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Don’t let the screen door hit your angry, psychotic, McCain Feingold garbage bill ass on the way out.


5 posted on 07/11/2007 5:26:49 AM PDT by albie
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I don’t think McCain’s slump is due solely to his support of the war, but rather his true self is showing through his fake smile
6 posted on 07/11/2007 5:28:16 AM PDT by shadeaud
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Mr. McCain is done. Stick the proverbial fork in him and see.

An American hero who lost his way. That is a shame, but he did it all by himself.

Bye, bye, John. We hardly knew ye.


7 posted on 07/11/2007 5:28:43 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: albie

Hear! Hear!


8 posted on 07/11/2007 5:28:49 AM PDT by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Gee, I hate it when I’m right.

Months ago, I was blasted for declaring McCain’s candidacy a “non-starter”.

Looks like he’s living up to that.


9 posted on 07/11/2007 5:31:52 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
'Today' Blames McCain Implosion on War Support; Rollins Tells It Like It is

Nope. Here is what did it. Note the date where little johnny is getting face time from MSM...

Now look at the date on the chart...

Bye-bye Johnny!


10 posted on 07/11/2007 5:32:01 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I think conservatives and even Republicans realize McCain is an open borders, left of center, big government psycho.

Plus, he’s just plain nuts!


11 posted on 07/11/2007 5:33:52 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: subterfuge

Well said. Couldn’t agree with you more!


12 posted on 07/11/2007 5:35:38 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Madeline Albright ZaPeezda)
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To: Red Badger
I agree. It was the immigration issue plus a combination of issues such as him dumping his first wife, frenzy over CFR, temper, and something about him that brings to mind the Manchurian Candidate.
13 posted on 07/11/2007 5:36:38 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I agree. I was forced to watch Wolf Blitzer on CNN, since it was on the TV at the GYM where I was working out. RAT talking points are trying to prove that McCain’s campaign is dropping because of his support for Bush on the war. NOT. McCain’s leadership on IMMIGRATION is the key. Most Republicans don’t want to SURRENDER to the terrorists.
14 posted on 07/11/2007 5:38:23 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This would mean that the front running GOP hopefuls must be against the war in Iraq. Otherwise, this is just wishful thinking from the Left Wing MSM.
15 posted on 07/11/2007 5:39:33 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Hard to win the primaries w/o the Base!

Pray for W and Our Troops


16 posted on 07/11/2007 5:39:51 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: shadeaud
I don’t think McCain’s slump is due solely to his support of the war, but rather his true self is showing through his fake smile

His assault on the First Amendment with CFR and his assault on American culture with his amnesty for illegals [the bill had his name in 2006] did more damage to the McCain Straight Talk Express than his stance on the Iraq war.

The war will end, eventually. Had his assault on the First Amendment succeeded, it could have caused permanent damage. Had his assault on American culture with his amnesty for illegals passed, it could have caused permanent damage.

The MSM may blame his derailing on the Iraqi war. But McCain's dissing the conservative base on significant policy issues is what lost McCain the conservative base support and flatted a couple of tires on his Straight Talk Express.
17 posted on 07/11/2007 5:40:23 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Red Badger

The war is one thing I agree with McCain on — for me it is his immigration stance and CFR — anyone that supported the Immigration Bill or CFR will never see one dime of my money or my help.

Cannot believe that Pres Bush pushed Immigration so hard or that he didn’t veto CFR. CFR was the beginning of doubt for the base supporting this Administration IMO and immigration pulled support almost totally away except for those that no matter what the President does, they support (reminds me of the Clinton followers). Looking back, I tried to make excuses about CFR and I should have told it like it was — the bill needed a VETO.


18 posted on 07/11/2007 5:40:47 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
McCain’s campaign stays mainly in the drain.(Sorry could not let that one pass).
19 posted on 07/11/2007 5:45:43 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

he got his message mixed up, he’s not clearly articulated what it is, and there’s no political base out there for him today . . . He’s too closely identified with Democrats for a lot of hardcore [Republicans]

And being a “RINO”!!!!??? Sooner or later the chickens come home to roost.
There will be other GOP’ERS find this out when their re-election comes up, Lindsy Graham come to mind??


20 posted on 07/11/2007 5:46:08 AM PDT by buck61
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To: Red Badger

“IMMIGRATION STANCE and nothing more”
I disagree. McCain/Feingold, the “gang of 14” for judicial nominees, and shamnesty all combined to put a stake thru McCain’s ambitions.


21 posted on 07/11/2007 5:48:45 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Support for Iraq my patoot. But nooooo, it was the war.... Idiots.
22 posted on 07/11/2007 5:56:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Red Badger

Mc Cain has a long history of disloyalty to the President and to Conservative/Republican principles. Wasn’t he a gang leader of the Gang of 13 that were a stumbling block that promised to block filibuster and at almost every turn work against any positive actions in the Republican majority congress? I attribute the lack of any measurable progress in Congress as the reason that Reid is not the traitorous Senate leader.

Since he was seen as an impediment to the President’s work, he was considered a darling of the MSM and the democraps. When you sleep with foul canines, you get parasitic disease carrying insects (fleas for those of you in Rio Linda).


23 posted on 07/11/2007 5:58:46 AM PDT by noname07718 (The Senate is based on consensus. “Consensus is the absence of leadership” - Lady M.Thatcher)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“His unwavering support of the Iraq war is unpopular with moderate Republicans and he insists he won’t change his position for political purposes.”

__________

Unbelievable. The Media just makes stuff up.


24 posted on 07/11/2007 5:59:25 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The political base, the Republican political base, don't trust John McCain.

Yup Johnny Boy, you stabbed us in the back once too many times and now the piper must be paid. Did you really think you could do that with impunity?!

25 posted on 07/11/2007 6:00:13 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I came to the thread hoping that Today had interviewed Henry Rollins. But, alas, I was disappointed.


26 posted on 07/11/2007 6:02:00 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: dynachrome

“I disagree. McCain/Feingold, the “gang of 14” for judicial nominees, and shamnesty all combined to put a stake thru McCain’s ambitions.”

Don’t forget the interrogation “torture” legislation.


27 posted on 07/11/2007 6:09:08 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
McCain:

- sponsored CFR

- has worked for full Constitutional rights for Guatanamo detainees

- worked with Ted Kennedy on the amnesty bill

- was one of the leaders of the Gang of Fourteen compromise with respect to judicial nominations

- can be reliably counted on to take a position against the Administration on almost any issue

... and yet it's his stand on the war that cost him with the base? Hah!

28 posted on 07/11/2007 6:09:45 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: dynachrome

Nobody remembers the other things. In politics, it’s always your latest screw-up that people remember. His numbers were fairly equal with the rest of the pack when all those other things were well known and history. His immigration shamnesty support was well documented nightly...........


29 posted on 07/11/2007 6:11:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: padre35
The MSM has it backwards...

It's how they 'manage' the news. They lie almost consistently now because their whole presentation of reality is based on leftist-myth and DNC talking-points..

30 posted on 07/11/2007 6:14:59 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Yes, the most annoying--and dangerous--thing about the Mainstream Newsmedia is that its so-called "journalists" have avoided truth, denied truth, censored truth, distorted truth, and held truth in contempt for so long that they can not recognize truth.

Contempt for truth is fundamental to the decadence that threatens to destroy the West today--where all the wars and plagues of the past have failed.

31 posted on 07/11/2007 6:24:06 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Ignore the will of the people at your peril, Political "Aristocrats"!)
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To: dynachrome
McCain/Feingold, the “gang of 14” for judicial nominees, and shamnesty all combined to put a stake thru McCain’s ambitions.

Good points all. Personally, I went over to fully despising him during the "gang of 14" fiasco.

But first among these crimes -- beyond any question -- was shamnesty.

32 posted on 07/11/2007 6:26:10 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov (>)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
He wasn't a great candidate in 2000, he lost nine of the thirteen primaries on Super Tuesday,

And of those four how many were open primaries so the Dems could vote for him. Being the Dems' favorite Republican doesn't endear him to me.

33 posted on 07/11/2007 6:30:46 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (A base looking for a party.)
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To: SergeiRachmaninov

“first among these crimes”
Maybe so, but I realized that McStain was no Republican or conservative was when he led the “gang of 14”


34 posted on 07/11/2007 6:40:48 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: subterfuge

“Plus, he’s just plain nuts!”

Double-Dog Dittos to that! McQueeg is going to have a “Howard Beale - Mad as Hell” moment anytime now — in public for all to see.


35 posted on 07/11/2007 6:50:50 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Red Badger
Your post is soooo exactly on target, it bears repeating...

McCain’s campaign imploded because of his IMMIGRATION STANCE and nothing more.......except possibly McCain himself.....

+ McCain/Feingold, & his temper

36 posted on 07/11/2007 6:55:32 AM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Kicking-the-McCain-corpse BUMP!
Good report, glgb.


37 posted on 07/11/2007 7:01:00 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Red Badger
McCain’s campaign imploded because of his IMMIGRATION STANCE and nothing more.......except possibly McCain himself.....

Immigration primarily, with just-under-the-surface memories of being against Rumsfeld, McCain-Feingold, and the Gang of 14 compromise...

These politicians just don't understand that you can't keep screwing over your base, and then expect them to enthusiastically support you when it's time for your re-election. Goes with my saying "only a jackass would rail against Wal-Mart, and then ask for the votes of its shoppers."

Just imagine how many races, particularly, primaries, would be won by the challenger if there wasn't the unwritten rule about the party in power campaigning for its incumbents...witness the support for Snarlin' Spectacle over Pat Toomey, and Lincoln Chafee, a Democrat in Republican clothing if ever I've seen one, and the likely White House support for Lindsey Graham and Chuck Hagel next year.

38 posted on 07/11/2007 7:20:35 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." Hold a hearing on that.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
OH! ED Rollins! I was hoping to hear the sage rantings of Henry Rollings.
39 posted on 07/11/2007 7:24:36 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - Ann Coulter is My Press Secretary)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

McLame was finished before he stared.


40 posted on 07/11/2007 7:24:58 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

no, they are wrong. it is his stand on shamnesty.


41 posted on 07/11/2007 7:25:09 AM PDT by television is just wrong (If being against illegal immigration is racist, so be it.)
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To: Polyxene

Get the popcorn!


42 posted on 07/11/2007 7:28:08 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Actually McCain went up in my book for his speech yesterday supporting the war

He even earned a few bonus points for making Senators Boxer and Biden lose it on the senate floor when he told the truth about what happen when our country pulled out of Vietnam

43 posted on 07/11/2007 8:05:13 AM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Red Badger; governsleastgovernsbest
McCain’s campaign imploded because of his IMMIGRATION STANCE and nothing more.......except possibly McCain himself.....

Not quite in my book. He was a bad tempered sore loser in 2000 blaming his loss on GWB's sneaky pete tactics. After McCain-Feingold and his heading up the gang of 14 to ward off the Senate's nuclear option, the handwriting was on the wall for the media darling. Immigration was the last straw for the slow to convince GOP base.

If I hear one more MSM outlet ascribe the implosio n of John McCain's candidacy to his support for the war in Iraq, I'm going to scream . .

MEGA DITTOS

44 posted on 07/11/2007 5:37:07 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: TLI

Thanks for the ping.


45 posted on 07/11/2007 5:41:35 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Amnesty and McCain/Feingold and sticking a stick in the eye of EVERY conservative is the reason he’s failing.


46 posted on 07/11/2007 5:44:00 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The fact that he appears to be quite mentally unstable is also a problem for him.


47 posted on 07/11/2007 5:49:29 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: albie

Real understanding of any legislation is only found in the black letter of the law. After 11 days of debate, with scores of amendments considered and many accepted, the black letter of the McCain-Feingold Act demands:

That all violations of the legislation are criminal offenses calling for Federal prison sentences and steep fines. Such violations in S.27 run the gamut from numerous possible filing and paperwork errors—to placing television and radio “issue” advertisements that don’t meet a government standard—to having normal lobbying discussions construed as illegal campaign “coordination” activities. Any of this could mean prison terms for officials of organizations such as the NRA and their employees simply for attempting to exercise the groups’ collective First Amendment rights.

*A ban on broadcast, cable or satellite television and radio issue advertising by groups such as the NRA. The electronic media blackout would be enforced 60 days before a general election and 30 days before a primary election (or runoff) if the government determined that the advertising content “refers” to a Federal candidate.

Massive reporting and notification of “disbursements” and “expenditures” by lobbying organizations such as NRA. This requirement is so burdensome that during a hot political year thousands of reports would have to be filed—literally by the minute on the minute. For some issue organizations, the reporting requirements alone could be impossible to meet. Again, there is criminal liability for employees of such issue organizations who fail to prepare accurate reports on exacting deadline.

Meeting legal hurdles—under the guise of avoiding “coordination” with candidates—for organizations using corporate or member-donated funds. These new hurdles would make “independent expenditures” all but impossible—effectively killing the real power in grassroots political campaigns. If the government were to declare that door-to-door campaigning, phone banks, get-out-the-vote rallies or even posting yard signs were even vaguely “coordinated” with a candidate or political party, those activities could be declared illegal, making these expenditures subject to criminal prosecution.
-NRA


48 posted on 07/11/2007 5:52:25 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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