Posted on 07/09/2007 2:51:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
Obama strategist David Plouffe released a memo last week arguing that Hillary Clinton's advantages were essentially those of incumbency, that her support was thin, and that Obama should actually be considered the front-runner.
Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, responded today with a memo that seemed designed to bludgeon all opposition into senselessness through the sheer power of numbers (links to 40 polls showing Hillary in the lead!)
Penn strongly implies another i-word is the best description of Hillary -- not "incumbent," but "inevitable."
In recent election cycles, any time a candidate has had as much as 35 or 40 percent of the vote consistently across polls in a multi-candidate field, that candidate has gone on to win the nomination. In the last race, Joseph Lieberman was in the teens at this point while Walter Mondale’s numbers in the 1984 Democratic primary were comparable to Hillary’s now.
I'm not entirely sure of the wisdom of this line of argument. Does he want Hillary backers to think of her as the Mondale of 2008? Sure, Mondale got the nomination but....
Drudge has headlined this, with a large, scary picture of the Hildabeast.
But what the headline doesn’t say is that although hillary’s NOMINATION is inevitable, her ELECTION is not. It all depends on what the Republicans do between now and then, and whether they nominate someone who is electable.
Despite what his fans say, Rudy is not electable. He would lose tens of millions of pro-life votes.
That leaves Mitt and Fred as the two electable candidates, for the moment at least. I like Duncan Hunter, but he isn’t getting any traction. Unless Hillary manages to come up with something to kill Fred, I think he’s got it, and also that he has the best chance of beating her.
Did Mondale have the negatives that Hillary has?
Almost 50% saying they’d never vote for her, no way, no how?
Walters negitives weren`t as high as Hillorat`s!
You know, call me time confused, but somebody pointed this out to me today; The next POTUS election is not until November of 2008. So My God, are we going to have to listen to this shrill for the next year and 5 months? I- I -I don`t think I can t-t-take it! Noooo! Someone please, help me! Nooo, not this long!! AAAAH!
Heartfelt dittoes
Penn the WIRE-TAPPER!!! There was a story about Mark Penn TAPPING the phone line of someone that USED to work for him that started a new polling business!! WIRE TAPPED HIS PHONE!!!! OMG! Hillary’s minions at work wiretapping!!
Get FRed Thompson in there, and Hildebeast is anything but 'inevitable'....
She’ll inevitably win the Dem nomination.
And then she’ll inevitably get slapped down by President Romney.
I do not see anyone else with the organization and a real shot to take down the Beast next year.
It is true that he did little for the Republican Party here in Massachusetts, but that is almost OK with me.
Mitt in my view represents the anti-Politician.
I happen to think that organized politicians are a major problem in our Society.
I never vote for incumbents unless they are term limited as the President is. I would not have voted for Mitt for Governor again if he did run here, but 6 months later I would have hated myself again.
Mitt spared me from that anguish by not running for reelection.
That's what propaganda is for. And treachery. And intimidation.
Too much is at stake. These people take themselves very seriously.
YOU PEOPLE are coming off a big win with the defeat of the immigration bill. You have defeated amnesty and again principles prevailed. Now what is your second act? You just created another Democrat voting block in the Latino community. They will be flooding the polls. Just what rhetoric will stem that tide? The media is going to murder you. Turn independent - yeah that will really help.
I implore you to stop day dreaming and worrying about minutiae. It really doesn't matter whether its Fred, Rudy, Mitt, Newt or a dozen others - we need a pocketbook issue that will turn the tide against the left. There is no better one than making the poor rich using their own money. Read this and tell me what you think.
http://dickmcdonald.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html#1100126931644946418
I just looked at my post again, and I didn’t say anything the least bit negative about Mitt. All I said is that the two foremost candidates at the moment are Mitt and Fred, and I like Fred. McCain is now out of it, and Rudy is a loser.
I generally stay off the Mitt threads. I have problems with him, but I don’t see any point in pushing it at the moment.
Ugh! Do have any “pocket book issues” that Republicans should be emphasizing to the electorate?
I am not sure how I feel about Mitt, but I'm in no hurry to decide. A few months back I assumed Mitt would be at or near the lead in much of the polling but he doesn't seem to be getting there yet. Not even close. If so few others like him I'll just continue to ignore him for the most part.
Is there any public figure more unlikable than Hillary Clinton? The antithesis of Bill. At least you could take him to a ball game and have a good time. No warm and cozy feelings emote from Her, not her style, not possible. Just don’t see it. No how, no way.
She is now a matron soon to be sixty. I’m about her age and I’m ready for a nap. I just don’t see her need for power.
I did not have sex with that woman......
Mondale was on track to be dethroned by 1984’s “fresh face”, Gary Hart, who sabotaged his election by daring the press to keep a watch on him, and then having the (admittedly lovely) Donna Rice over for a slumber party. He was on trach to win all the west, and a big chunk of the northeast, and hence the nomination before that scandal.
I don't like to engage in hyperbole or mix my metaphors, but the Tsuanami of opposition against either one of these SOCIALISTS would be of Titanic proportions.
Hitlery may not be able to win “legally” but they have a way of winning “illegally”
Kim Jong Il: Now you see, the changing of the worrd is inevitabre!
Lisa: I’m sorry, it’s what?
Kim Jong Il: Inevit, inevitabre.
Lisa: One more time.
Kim Jong Il: [shouts] Inevitabre! Things are inevitabrey going to change! Goddamnit, open your fucking ears!
“Walter Mondale’s numbers in the 1984 Democratic primary were comparable to Hillary’s now.”
This noise keeps popping into my head when I think of Hillary’s nomination:
McGovern!!!McGovern!!!McGovern!!!McGovern!!!McGovern!!!
McGovern!!!McGovern!!!McGovern!!!McGovern!!!McGovern!!!
Hillary! has the voice of EVERY American man’s Ex-Wife.
She will never be POSTUS. Never.
OOOH.
The shrill shreaking witch’s whole life has been one long campaign. She thinks this is normal: She thinks we’ve always been watching her.
Oh, Diana...say it ain’t so! I’m an ex-wife!!! I’ll have to kill myself!!!
Oh please let her be the nominee...that’ll put a Republican back in the WH...
Hillary will cheat to win.
if giving amnesty to mexicans would make them vote pubbie,
then,
the 1986 rodinos would have voted pubbie,
but they did not.
Put that picture in a corn field and there won’t be a crow in sight.
I’m an Ex-Wife, too. I know how shrill I can be when pushed to my limits. (Not that I would call what The Beast and Slick Willie have as a “marriage” in any sense of the word...)
And I’ll bet you’ve proven it of yourself on more than one occasion both here on FR and on the Home Front, too. ;)
Most Latino's vote Democrat (outside of the Cuban's). Bush's amnesty would have just cemented the DNC as the new ruling party for the next generation.
I just like to think I’ve never gone-hillary on anyone. I think I’ll ask an ex.
;-)
I know that I’ve never arkansided one of ‘em!
“I know that I’ve never arkansided one of ‘em!”
LOL! Me either. I was just glad to see him in my rear-view mirror once and for all! :)
It scares me when the front runners are old crusty unpunished criminals and half-black junior politicians.........
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