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The Siege of Malta in 1565 was a clash of unimaginable brutality, one of the bloodiest - yet most overlooked - battles ever fought. It was also an event that determined the course of history, for at stake was the very survival of Christianity.

And we are still continuing the struggle against the barbarian Islamofascists today.

1 posted on 07/07/2007 1:10:45 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping


2 posted on 07/07/2007 1:11:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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F islam


3 posted on 07/07/2007 1:13:26 PM PDT by rageaholic
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OK, lets make the movie like 300 to tick off the ME.


4 posted on 07/07/2007 1:16:37 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: wagglebee

Keep your powder dry!


5 posted on 07/07/2007 1:17:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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bump


6 posted on 07/07/2007 1:18:30 PM PDT by VOA
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I don’t know why I can’t read about Malta without first thinking of falcons and then of Sidney Greenstreet.


8 posted on 07/07/2007 1:20:47 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Bloomberg. Lots of money. Lots of influence. Realize that NOW!)
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Man, talk about getting “medieval” on their ass...


10 posted on 07/07/2007 1:26:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: wagglebee

The “300” that should have been made, but never will.


11 posted on 07/07/2007 1:27:43 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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I want an M-79 that can launch gerbils as grenades. I shall call it “The Richard Gere”.


12 posted on 07/07/2007 1:28:32 PM PDT by RichInOC ("ARMAGEDDON!")
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“We owe those knights.”

True. But not nearly as much as the Catholic Church owes them.


13 posted on 07/07/2007 1:33:25 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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“We are in a new phase of a very old war.”


14 posted on 07/07/2007 1:33:53 PM PDT by BigFinn (Islam= a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories.)
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I never knew this story , now I shall never forget it


15 posted on 07/07/2007 1:35:34 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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I read this long story earlier. Good read.


16 posted on 07/07/2007 1:35:45 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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When the next Pearl Harbor takes place, political correctness will evaporate into a mist of blood and we will do what we need to do.

Sad that we have to wait for infamy to prod us into action, but that seems to be our temperment.

17 posted on 07/07/2007 1:37:01 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (Skip the Moon, go for Mars)
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bookmark bump


19 posted on 07/07/2007 1:45:42 PM PDT by nralife
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Two bowls of pasta later.....now, that was a good story. Very inspiring to keep the faith and to never give up. Give it your best to the very end. In essence, the world is under another siege by the Muzzies. Oooopps, the EU says that we’re not supposed to use that word.


20 posted on 07/07/2007 1:46:28 PM PDT by PastaMan
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What’s that saying? “Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it”? Something like that...

Thanks for posting a very powerful reminder about Muslim determination to rule the world by whatever means.


25 posted on 07/07/2007 1:58:09 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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A hundred years earlier the West stood aside and let Constantinople fall to the Turks. It strikes me that the only reason Malta survived was because of the determination of a few in the face of the apathy of the many. Reminds me of today.


27 posted on 07/07/2007 2:03:01 PM PDT by DariusBane (Shock and Awe used to mean something! (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Tokyo and Dresden))
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Jean Parisot de la Valette

29 posted on 07/07/2007 2:08:06 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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32 posted on 07/07/2007 2:13:37 PM PDT by Gritty (We have not yet begun to fight. We're going to learn the hard way. But we'll learn.-Ralph Peters)
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These knights lived by raiding and disrupting his Ottoman shipping routes.

IOW, the Christian equivalent of the Barbary pirates.

Except that the real Barbary pirates were less motivated by religion than by desire for riches. Most of them were Christian renegades.

33 posted on 07/07/2007 2:13:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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Wow! What a gripping story. I think I’ll have to get this book to read more.

But it is no wonder that this battle is forgotten. It is pretty hard for today’s warriors and politicians to take pride in the tactics of warfare used on either side.

I believe that this is the FIRST battle that I’ve ever heard of that was saved by the Sicilians. I’ll have to show this account to my husband and send this article to all my friends of Sicilian descent.

I’d like to visit Malta some day. I’ve known a couple of priests from there. Fine men.


34 posted on 07/07/2007 2:14:22 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Guess we showed them! Don't mess with me!

36 posted on 07/07/2007 2:26:06 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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James Jackson’s Blood Rock, ISBN: 0-7195-6914-1 / 978-0-7195-6914-2 (UK edition) Appears to only be available in UK & Canada.


38 posted on 07/07/2007 2:33:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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If only George Bush would read this and get a flippin clue about our enemy


39 posted on 07/07/2007 2:35:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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Another view...

http://www.storialibera.it/epoca_moderna/turchi_ed_europa/assedio_di_malta_1565/malta_of_the_knights.html

40 posted on 07/07/2007 2:35:44 PM PDT by in the Arena
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Lest we forget...


41 posted on 07/07/2007 2:36:35 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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An octogenarian with a harem of 300? Pass the Viagra, I feel faint.


45 posted on 07/07/2007 2:42:22 PM PDT by gcruse
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This is lie, Islam is a religion of peace.

(/sarcasm)


46 posted on 07/07/2007 2:45:07 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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I’d never read this story before. Thanks for posting it. I would like to add something that I do know.

Just a few short years after this battle, in 1569, the turkish navy was utterly destroyed for all time by a combined christian fleet in the “battle of Lepanto”. Don Juan organized this fleet. A new warship was used in this battle and they were called galleasses. The Christians were greatly outnumbered but they had their secret weapons...the galleasses. Up untill the galleasses, warships were rowing vessels with cannons positioned in the front that fired forward. Galleasses were the first warships with cannons positioned on the sides that fired laterally. Putting the guns on the sides enabled one ship to carry many more guns than otherwise possible. So the christians, although greatly outnumbered, had more guns. In order to defeat the turks, they had to use their brains and superior naval tactics against a larger fleet. In order to use galleasses to their full potential, the ship would have to be turned sideways at the moment of battle to bring all guns to bear on the enemy. Cannoners marksmanship abilities were much more important, as were the skills of the ship captains and his crew to precisely maneuver the ship with sails alone. The turks’ strategy was much more simple...encircle the smaller enemy fleet and charge straight into them by use of oars with forward guns blazing...little skill required.

Well, the turks failed and never recovered from their maritime defeat. From then on, turks threatened christians from the land only. Thus this is the battle that sealed the fate of the turks and the ottoman empire as well.


47 posted on 07/07/2007 2:45:41 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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enemy of islam bump


49 posted on 07/07/2007 2:48:22 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......Keep your powder dry)
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There would be no negotiation, no compromise, no surrender, no retreat.<>/i>

sounds like a good plan...even today.
50 posted on 07/07/2007 2:58:57 PM PDT by stylin19a (Since bad golf shots come in groups of 3, a 4th bad shot is the start of the next group of 3)
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ping


51 posted on 07/07/2007 2:59:33 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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Thanks for the post. The story reminds me of the movie the 300.


52 posted on 07/07/2007 3:00:16 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim)
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Age of Empires III starts with this very campaign.


56 posted on 07/07/2007 3:09:34 PM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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Same struggle, different day.


61 posted on 07/07/2007 3:18:31 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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Their valor and ingenuity are still an inspiration today.


62 posted on 07/07/2007 3:19:24 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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Suleiman) was the most powerful figure on the planet

Arguably both the Ming Emperor and the King of Spain were contenders for this title.

Ottoman military power was based on essentially pre-modern organization of men and animals. It was largely funded by loot.

Modern military power, based on chemically-powered weapons and fiscally sound governments, was just developing. Although it was not obvious to many at the time, on either side, the Turks could just not compete on this level.

65 posted on 07/07/2007 3:21:39 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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Then he returned a communiquè of his own: the heads of his Turkish captives were fired from his most powerful cannon direct into the Muslim lines. There would be no negotiation, no compromise, no surrender, no retreat.

Nor should there be....Evil can only be defeated by KILLING IT!

77 posted on 07/07/2007 4:20:50 PM PDT by dirtbiker (He who dies with the most toys...STILL DIES!)
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lessons to be learned

Martel knew them

Coeur de Lion knew them


80 posted on 07/07/2007 4:40:36 PM PDT by wardaddy (I loved Apocalypto)
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Any body got any information on the fire-hoops they mentioned?

I thought they were very unique units in AoEIII, and cannot even pretend to having any historical referance to base them on.

Any help?


82 posted on 07/07/2007 4:57:52 PM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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Great read - thank you.


86 posted on 07/07/2007 6:17:31 PM PDT by EverOnward
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93 posted on 07/07/2007 9:02:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Friday, July 6, 2007.)
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Human Heads as cannonballs...


94 posted on 07/07/2007 9:36:39 PM PDT by Sundog (It's a good day for a catharsis.)
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ping


98 posted on 07/07/2007 10:33:21 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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The absolute best historical fiction take on the Great Siege.
99 posted on 07/07/2007 10:36:22 PM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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So savage was the fighting, so mismatched the two sides and so important the moment, that I chose the Siege of Malta as the subject of my latest novel, Blood Rock. It was the stage, as we thriller writers say, for epic and mind-blowing history.

New book on the Siege of Malta. As good as Angels in Iron, maybe? Naaaaah.
101 posted on 07/07/2007 10:41:10 PM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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What was the ending? Did they hold the fort. Attention span waning and have to get back to Live Earth show. Madonna is about to come on.


103 posted on 07/07/2007 10:48:29 PM PDT by BJungNan
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I had heard of this, and forgotten the name of the group of knights. Thanks for posting this. I am a history buff of sorts, and eagerly look forward to reading up on this.


105 posted on 07/07/2007 10:52:28 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security)
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ping


107 posted on 07/07/2007 11:02:21 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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