Global Warming And Your Wallet (New York Times Libs Want YOU to pay HIGHER Taxes Alert)

New York Times ^ | 07/06/2007 | New York Times Editorial Board

[goldstategop]

ut for all the talk about warming, leading politicians have yet to educate their constituents (and their colleagues) about an unpleasant and inescapable truth: any serious effort to fight warming will require everyone to pay more for energy. According to most scientists, the long-term costs of doing nothing — flooding, famine, drought — would be even higher than the costs of acting now. But unless Americans understand and accept the trade-off — higher prices today to avoid calamity later — the requisite public support for real change is unlikely to build.

Energy is currently underpriced in part because its cost does not reflect the damage inflicted by fossil fuels. Underpricing leads to overconsumption. Worse, it leads to underinvestment in alternatives. As long as today’s energy is relatively cheap, there is little incentive for private firms to develop new fuels and technologies.

When the market, on its own, fails to arrive at the proper price for goods and services, it’s the job of government to correct the failure. There are two ways to do so: higher taxes and new regulation.

[goldstategop]

The New York Times libs want YOU to pay more. Higher taxes or more in regulatory costs, in the name of fighting "global warming." Protecting the environment? NO! Its all about the revenue, stupid!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[j. earl carter]

Exactly right. If it were really about CO2, we’d just build a few nuke plants and be done with it.

[A message]

The Times writers are too stupid to realize maybe higher fuel costs we are currently paying is one of the reasons NY Times has declining customers as consumers choose between filling up the gas tank or buying their fishwrap.

[sourcery]

Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

• Science, not politics
• Statistics needed
• The original denier: into the cold
• End the chill
• They call this a consensus?
• The limits of predictability
• Unsettled science
• The ice-core man
• The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
• Polar scientists on thin ice
• The sun moves climate change
• Bright sun, warm Earth. Coincidence?
• Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
• Read the sunspots
• Forget warming - beware the new ice age
• Little Ice Age is still with us
• Fighting climate 'fluff'

Other References:

• Father of Climatology Throws Up at the Thought of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth'
• IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warming Consensus
• Swedish Scientist Accuses UN's IPCC of Falsifying Data and Destroying Evidence
• Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
• Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat
• Linkages between solar activity, climate predictability and water resource development (PDF)
• The Real 'Inconvenient Truth'
• New findings indicate today's greenhouse gas levels not unusual
• Climate Change: Incorrect information on pre-industrial CO2
• Global Warming as a Religion
• I Was On the Global Warming Gravy Train (By David Evans)
• Still Waiting for Greenhouse
• GREENIE WATCH
• Why Global Warming Would be Good for You
• Temperature vs. Cosmic Ray Flux
• Global Warming Primer (PDF)
• Global Warming: An Official Pseudoscience
• Fiddler On The Roof
• Debating Global Warming
• Climate Resistance

[Tzimisce]

...at least they’re giving us a reason they want to raise taxes this time...

[goldstategop]

You're not conserving enough! You're wasting energy! You're running air conditioners full blast in the summer, turning up the heat in winter and you drive your car too much - all of which adds up to a big carbon footprint! ALL THAT HAS GOT TO STOP FOR THE GOOD OF THE PLANET!!!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[dasboot]

When the market, on its own, fails to arrive at the proper price for goods and services, we want $10 for each of our papers it’s the job of government to correct the failure. each registered voter shall have a subscription, of lose tax witholdings There are two ways to do so: higher taxes and new regulation. what color is the sky in our world?

for all the talk about warming, leading politicians have yet to educate if you don't agree with us...you are an idiot their constituents (and their colleagues) about an unpleasant and inescapable truth: any serious effort to fight warming will require everyone to pay more for energy. According to most scientists, the long-term costs of doing nothing — flooding, famine, drought — would be even higher than the costs of acting now. stop laughing at us...we're gonna wreck your capitalist dog and pony show one way or another...VIVA HUGO!

[SAJ]

Right you are, goldie...and, never forget, ONLY the editorial board of the Slimes -- and their good Marxist tovarishchi -- are smart enough to tell you HOW MUCH to conserve, and WHEN.

And, of course, even if you meet those goals, the Slimes et al. will change them for you, post facto.

The next time I get on a treadmill for any socialist mo-fo, you have my permission to shoot me where I tread.

[goldstategop]

They think we're idiots who don't know what we're doing and as the NYT libs see it, we need to be forced to change for our own good. Its angered libs to no small degree that American people have always resisted going as far as they want to go - in the direction of socialism... which they're too polite or too smart to say aloud for the time being. When all is said and done though, that's where liberal policies end up.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Vanders9]

I dont buy into this global warming stuff, but the article does have a point. Energy IS relatively cheap and plentiful, and where there is plenty, there is always waste. And waste is never very good...especially when so many in the world live in want. Its certainly never efficient. Somehow, someway, we are going to have to apply more technology to this problem. I cant believe we cannot get more miles per gallon or more watts per ounce out of our existing coal-fired power stations.

Just because 9 out of 10 environmentalists are rabid anti technology loonies doesn’t mean we dont have a problem with pollution and overdependence on foreign oil.

[goldstategop]

We DO have a problem as you pointed out. However, the Left is NOT interested in solutions that would fix them at minimal inconvenience to our lives. Why not? Because such solutions don't serve their goal of running our lives as they see fit. For them first and foremost, power is about gaining it and then ordering people around. We're not into that so for us, politics isn't the all-consuming obsession its with the Left. All we want to do is get government out of our lives and limit its powers and that puts us at a disadvantage with the other side that wants to do the exact opposite. The more government advances, the more freedom recedes. We'll never see an end to this philosophical conflict which has been with us since the dawn of human civilization.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[dasboot]

I dont buy into this global warming stuff, but the article does have a point. Energy IS relatively cheap and plentiful, and where there is plenty, there is always waste. You have a slow leak in your tire. You pay $.75 every three days the re-inflate for two years...or you buy a new tire...or buy a compressor to use at your home. Which is wasteful...damaging to the environment??

And waste is never very good...especially when so many in the world live in want. How will you give a kilowatt...a liter of gas...to someone on Fiji? Even if they could trade you for it??

Its certainly never efficient. Somehow, someway, we are going to have to apply more technology to this problem. I don't know about 'we', but I conserve..I don't like wasting money...which is the same as wasting energy. These jerks are gonna add even MORE taxes to already over-taxed fuels...and do what with it? I'd rather put it my pocket...and buy a new tire.....or pay a guy to paint my house. He needs some dough, too.

I cant believe we cannot get more miles per gallon or more watts per ounce out of our existing coal-fired power stations. Diminishing returns. Just jack up the price of coal! Yeah...that's the ticket. Consumers pay more...budget for technological improvement don't grow....Uncle Sam squanders the 'windfall'. We drive on bald tires.

Just because 9 out of 10 environmentalists are rabid anti technology loonies doesn’t mean we dont have a problem with pollution and overdependence on foreign oil. 40 years ago, pollution was a problem...no one thought about it...people dumped oil down sewers without a second thought. That's changed so much for the better. My part of the world is so much cleaner than when I was a kid...hysteria and brainwash notwithstanding. Thank the taxers and the folks who pay the Sierra Club, et al, to give gifts and lobby against evil productive corporations and real people. Those rubes think it saves owls or something.

[dasboot]

I dont buy into this global warming stuff, but the article does have a point. Energy IS relatively cheap and plentiful, and where there is plenty, there is always waste. You have a slow leak in your tire. You pay $.75 every three days the re-inflate for two years...or you buy a new tire...or buy a compressor to use at your home. Which is wasteful...damaging to the environment??

And waste is never very good...especially when so many in the world live in want. How will you give a killowat...a litre of gas...to someone on Fiji? Even if they could trade you for it??

Its certainly never efficient. Somehow, someway, we are going to have to apply more technology to this problem. I don't know about 'we', but I conserve..I don't like wasting money...which is the same as wasting energy. These jerks are gonna add even MORE taxes to already over-taxed fuels...and do what with it? I'd rather put it my pocket...and buy a new tire.....or pay a guy to paint my house. He needs some dough, too.

I cant believe we cannot get more miles per gallon or more watts per ounce out of our existing coal-fired power stations. Diminishing returns. Just jack up the price of coal! Yeah...that's the ticket. Consumers pay more...budget for technological improvement don't grow....Uncle Sam squanders the 'windfall'. We drive on bald tires.

Just because 9 out of 10 environmentalists are rabid anti technology loonies doesn’t mean we dont have a problem with pollution and overdependence on foreign oil. 40 years ago, pollution was a problem...no one thought about it...people dumped oil down sewers without a second thought. That's changed so much for the better. My part of the world is so much cleaner than when I was a kid...hysteria and brainwash notwithstanding. Thank the taxers and the folks who pay the Sierra Club, et al, to give gifts and lobby against evil productive corporations and real people. Those rubes think it saves owls or something.

[nyyankeefan]

think of the positive impact on the environment without the nyslimes!!!!

[rabscuttle385]

The Senate’s recent approval of higher fuel economy standards is a constructive step and key lawmakers are promising comprehensive legislation this year that will, for the first time, limit the emission of greenhouse gases.

One would think that the moonbats and RINOs in the Senate would have learned their lesson after getting bitchslapped not once, but twice, by American voters, on amnesty for illegal aliens.

Apparently, it turns out that yes, Virginia, the liberals may really be that stupid.

[dasboot]

Vanders...some unintended consequences:

Consider every small business guy, Manny, who cuts a marginal living...making 20 to 40K a year with a fuel-dependent landscape thing Suddenly fuel prices zoom. Fuel is a big, big part of the expense of running a business like that.

OK...his profit/loss is going to be a lot more into loss territory. He might then qualify for ...not just lower taxes...but tax benefits like earned-income credits...foodstamps...or just get most, if not all, of his witholding back. I guess they'll have to jack SS and income taxes to make up for it. Mebbe do a bracket adjustment or something.

Then Manny's clients cannot afford to re-up contracts in which he attempts to pass on his increased costs to his customers. They have to drive to work and heat their homes. That 'extra' cash thay could count on is gone. They'll cut their own grass, now. Small businesses like that are the backbone of the US economy. Do a little imaginative multiplication...extrapolate ripple-effect. It's tough paying higher prices when the market demands it....and it corrects naturally. Imagine $5 petrol...just for the sake of causing 'conservation'. Non-correcting.

YIKES!!! It will cause poverty....unemployment...recession. Government will tax more...to pay more in social services.

The free market is always right. These dweebs don't know what the hell their doing...unless they intend to spoil things intentionally: then they're doing it exactly right. Short of actually turning alla us useless, ignernt dopes into soylent, it's the next-best thing. We won't have so many kids...sell off or junk that second car....wife has to find a job...you, a second. Medical experiments for the kids.....community college. No pizza on Friday. Ripples. Ripples. Ripples.

A healthy, optimistic economy floats all. And it sinks everybody's boat, too, when it's sucking wind.

End Rant.

[libstripper]

A tax on carbon, the main greenhouse gas, would cause energy prices to rise, thereby curbing consumption and providing a powerful incentive to invest in alternatives.

The writers of this editorial either forgot their high school chemistry or didn't bother to take it. Carbon is a solid element at normal temperatures; carbon dioxide is the gas that's a compound of carbon and oxygen. Why should any reasonably educated person accept the technological work of a bunch of nitwits who don't even know basic high school chemistry?

[Halgr]

Global Warming is a tool of the Darkside...the globalists need this fabrication to further their own agendas.

[Sicon]

And waste is never very good...especially when so many in the world live in want

Our consumption of energy is NOT the reason so many in the world "live in want". This is the same type of logic that says that there are poor people because all the "rich" people are hogging all the money. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. Socialism is the disease, government control of resources, and lack of governments acting to protect and promote freedom and capitalism, is the problem wherever people "live in want".

[an amused spectator]

Sounds like the NYTimes needs the lead&brass cure for global warming delusions...