Posted on 06/28/2007 5:27:08 AM PDT by gpapa
The comprehensivists have one last argument for passing an immigration bill that even they concede is flawed: It is important for Republicans to “pass something that takes immigration off the table“ before the next election. Needless to say, they would not take their own advice if an enforcement-first bill were on the table. But they seem sincerely to believe that after this bill is passed, the party’s divisions will heal.
Dream on.
(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...
How 'bout this:
NO CONSERVATIVE, NO VOTE!
I still don’t get, in my gut, why they don’t do the popular thing and pass enforcement measures. Do the voters mean so little in today’s politics? Only money and 30 second ads matter?
I know I will walk away from the GOP table. I will vote 3rd party. This isn’t a simple rift as the corrupt GOP thinks it is, it is a deep crater that will destroy the party and destroy the USA that I love.
Sorry guys, I will never vote GOP again.
25 million votes is a heck of alot!
BS. Most Americans oppose amnesty and only 26% support this bill.
25 million votes is a heck of a lot
__________________________________________________________
Those votes are for the Dems. We should have a unbreakable filibuster IF Republicans looked after their own long term political interests (like the base wants them to). Short term is where they have to be thinking.
“Sorry guys, I will never vote GOP again.”
With all due respect, never say never. I remember when I was disillusioned with Nixon and his rather liberal political agenda, dishonesty and sucking up to Mao. I actually voted for a third party. I could not vote for McGovern. I nearly voted for Carter when Reagan lost the nomination to Ford. After Carter was elected, I realized that as mediocre as Ford was, as rotten as Nixon was, enabling the election of a Democrat is the WORST choice. Ross Perot convinced many to vote for he, and it helped to give us Slick.
Support good GOP candidates. Vote against bad GOP candidates. We won’t always win, but we will never win supporting a third party.
I've learned to never say never. What I won't do is support the party structure or support someone ~just because~ they wear the GOP label.
That's a big swing for me. Six months ago I was all on the bandwagon to support "whoever the nominee is." I'll still probably vote for the GOP candidate next year.
But the level of my participation at the grass roots level remains to be seen.
Dream on is right. The result of this bill passing will be the exact opposite - full divorce.
We see the direction the GOP is taking. I no longer look at anything that is happening as party politics.
The GOP and the Democrats look like each has the same goal and just merely fight over who gets to be in the driver’s seat.
Until people can see what is happening goes beyond party politics, they will be unable to wake up.
If you read George Washington’s farewell speech to the nation, he talks about his fears of “parties”. The speech describes all the dangers to look out for that are happening right before our eyes. We just didn’t pay attention to his warning.
I think the next elections won’t matter a whole lot if this bill passes. The GOP will have to mirror the Democrats just to have a chance.
Both options are deplorable now, and will be increasingly deplorable in the future.
He can go dance with himself too.
We need a Goldwater or Reagan again . . . We can help make that happen by ceasing to listen to main stream media and political commentators view of who is electible and who is not. Just work hard in the primaries and give in the primaries to the conservative and ignore the "slings and arrows" thrown at them.
It’s so rare that what’s right is also what’s popular. In those few cases where they ARE the same, government is sure to fight tooth & nail against it.
Well, I agree that is the only option left.
Sometimes it ain’t about who you’re votin’ for, its about who you’re votin’ against.
A vote for Bush was a vote against AlGore or John Effin’ Kerry. No matter what my issues with Bush (and there are a LOT of them...) he’s still a better man and a better President than his rivals would have been.
That said, we do need to punish the GOP traitors, starting with Lott, Graham, and McInsane.
Bizarre isn't it? The reason, off the top of my head, is that because it's popular, it's good for the common man. Since the elites control the government they will go along with the wrongheaded views of the common man if they actually help the elites. But where the common man is right, and if it helps the common man versus the elites, then it's a fight. Elites give the money, print the newspapers, and throw the parties. "We the people" never even sit down with these politicians for a meal.
But if we wouldn’t vote for the RINOs at all they’d have to change their calculations regarding who is electible and give us more conservative candidates.
Father, release in us the Power that is ours, for the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead dwells in us. Cause us to use this Power to plead our cause before the Throne of Grace, for our leaders and our defenders and our countrymen. Let this Power become vocal as we speak Your Name and Your purpose ... let this Power overwhelm the enemy as we pray for their salvation.
And may we know, O God, to the very depths of our being, that Yours is the Kingdom ... Yours is the Power ... Yours is the Glory, forever, Amen ...
Lou Dobbs said that the Dems and Reps are wings of the same party. It is just a matter of branding and marketing.
LOL, I know. I voted for him two times and am now very sorry, however, its hard to be given a choice of bugs, sewage, or vomit, and having to pick the one that is the lesser evil.
Problem is, Bush is pushing and promoting this issue.He is the driving force behind it.
We can get rid of the Congress critters, but after this bill passes no on from the GOP or any conservative will have a prayer of winning anyway.
I don't know if getting legal status gives them a right to vote, but I am sure Congress will see to it that this will also come to pass.
Who knows, maybe its buried in that 1000+ paged behemoth of the immigration bill.
Every day that passes with this debate raging on a bill that is on its face a farce and dangerous to the nation leads me to that same cynical conclusion.
Amen
There won't BE a Republican Party if 20 million Third Worlders get amnestied overnight.
The U.S. will be plunged into Brazil-like madness, with dimwits voting for every Hugo Chavez wannabe demagogue that the Dim party puts up for election.
The Republican party will come to be regarded as a quaint little group of mostly silent and ignored palefaces who are a relic of a more ordered past, which the reptiles will only vaguely comprehend as the reason they came into this country in the first place.
For the Democrats, I would strongly suggest taking a pro-union/anti-illegal alien stance (i.e. "they are taking our jobs") rather than using the conservative national security angle.
Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Chief of Staff
tim_becker@bennelson.senate.gov
Legislative Director
christiana_gallagher@bennelson.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
david_dimartino@bennelson.senate.gov
Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Chief of Staff
bob_russell@pryor.senate.gov
Legislative Director
andy_york@pryor.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
michael_teague@pryor.senate.gov
lisa_ackerman@pryor.senate.gov
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA)
Chief of Staff
paul_reagan@webb.senate.gov
Legislative Director
mike_sozan@webb.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
jessica_smith@webb.senate.gov
Senator Kit Bond (R-MO)
Chief of Staff
brian_klippenstein@bond.senate.gov
Legislative Director
kara_smith@bond.senate.gov
Communications Director
shana_marchio@bond.senate.gov
Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Chief of Staff
glen_chambers@brownback.senate.gov
Domestic Policy Advisor
brian_robertson@brownback.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
john_rankin@brownback.senate.gov
brian_hart@brownback.senate.gov
Senator Richard Burr (R-NC)
Chief of Staff
alicia_peterson-clark@burr.senate.gov
alicia_peterson-petersonclark@burr.senate.gov
Legislative Director
natasha_hickman@burr.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
laura_caudell@burr.senate.gov
mark_williams@burr.senate.gov
Senator Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Chief of Staff
jenny_manley@cochran.senate.gov
Legislative Director
ta_hawks@cochran.senate.gov
Press Secretary
margaret_wicker@cochran.senate.gov
Margaret_mcphillips@cochran.senate.gov
Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN)
Chief of Staff
jennifer_lowe@coleman.senate.gov
Deputy Chief of Staff
lucia_lebens@coleman.senate.gov
Legislative Director
lorianne_moss@coleman.senate.gov
Communications Director
tom_steward@coleman.senate.gov
tom_stewart@coleman.senate.gov
Press Secretary
leroy_coleman@coleman.senate.gov
Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM)
Chief of Staff
steve_bell@domenici.senate.gov
Legislative Director
edward_hild@domenici.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
chris_gallegos@domenici.senate.gov
Immigration LA
tara_shaw@domenici.senate.gov
Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
Chief of Staff
john_lopez@ensign.senate.gov
Legislative Director
pam_thiessen@ensign.senate.gov
Press Secretary/Communications Director
tory_mazzola@ensign.senate.gov
jack_finn@ensign.senate.gov
don_tatro@ensign.senate.gov
Nope. The Dims are on the Victory Lap to pass the Death of the GOP bill.
What's amazing is that the Senate Minority Leader voted against his own party for it.
Elaine must really need that job.
Funny you should mention that...I saw this posted on here a few days ago...
“For a while now, and really, since shortly after the 2004 election, I have gotten emails from folks who say, “Bush forgot that you have to dance with the one that brung you.” They’ve been sending me that message for so long, on so many different issues, that I suspect Bush feels a little like a girl who is invited to a fancy ball - and proves to be excellent company for most of the night, despite being hated by many of the guests – but manages to fall out of step, at which point she is abandoned on the dance floor and told to find her own way home.
Betrayal is such a strong word; did he betray you, really?
—Did he protect us from the reach & province of the International Criminal Court? Yes.
—Did he keep us from the Kyoto mess that is currently tying up Europe? Yes.
—Did he create a workable alternative to Kyoto that other countries have embraced? Yes. Bet you didn’t know that!
—Have US Carbon Emissions decreased on his watch, without Kyoto? Yes.
—Did he submit a comprehensive energy plan that got killed by a weak congress? Yes.
—Has he lowered the deficit ahead of schedule in time of war? Yes. Even the NYTimes admits it!
—Did he cut taxes? Twice? Yes. And yes.
—Did he try to get the cuts made permanent? Yes. Congress dropped that ball.
—Did he stop government funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research? Yes.
—Has he kept the promises he made as he held a dead cop’s shield before the Joint Houses? Yes.
—Did he go after the Taliban and AlQaeda in Afghanistan barely a month after 9/11? Yes.
—Has he been unflagging in his efforts to subdue terrorism, worldwide? Yes.
—Has be been the consistent voice for human liberty around the globe? Yes.
—After some serious missteps, is the surge working? Yes.
—Has he been a staunch friend to Israel, the only stable democracy in a frantic region? Yes.
—Did he end the farce of world-wide Arafat admiration? Yes
—Did he remove Saddam Hussein, whose state supported terrorists, from power? Yes.
—Did he invade Iraq at a time when the whole world believed Saddam had and “would use” WMD? Yes.
—Did he bring a much-maligned coalition with him? Yes. Some are still there.
—Did he liberate 50,000 people in keeping with the ideals of the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act? Yes.
—Has he inspired the Iraqi people to finally believe enough in freedom to fight AlQaeda with us? YES!
—Has he figured out that a free and engaged Middle East makes America safer? Yes.
—Has he kept you safe since 9/11? So safe that you’ve almost forgotten to fear? Yes.
—Did he remove “the wall” between the CIA and the FBI? Yes.
—Did he go to the UN before invading Iraq? Yes.
—Did he tell the UN that the US would never ask permission to defend herself? Yes.
—Didd he inspire Libya to surrender it’s WMD without firing a shot? Yes.
—Did he appoint excellent SCOTUS and Federal Judges to the bench? Yes.
—Did he implement the NSA terrorist eavesdropping program? Yes.
—Did he immediately move to freeze assets and make terror funding more difficult? Yes.
—Did he reform Medicare? Yes.
—Did he reform Social Security to give you more power over your money? He tried. See Congress.
—Did he manage an economy thru recession, terror attack & war w/ consistent gains for over ten quarters? Yes.
—Has he kept unemployment between 5.5% and 4.4% for an impressive period? Yes.
—Does he say what he means and mean what he says? Yes.
—Did he try to address immigration last year, when the houses in his party? Yes.
—Does he support the second amendment? Yes.
—Does he support school vouchers and school choice? Yes.
—Did he sign the ban on Partial Birth Abortion? Yes. It went to court, but he signed it.
—Did he reverse Clinton’s intent to kill Reagan’s pro-life Mexico policy? Yes.
—Did he support the Defense of Marriage Act? Yes. That used to be vitally important to you.
—Did he expand the roles of faith-based organizations in social programs? Yes.
—Did he prosecute the white-collar criminals like Ken Lay who ran riot through the ‘90’s? Yes.
—Has he handled himself with enormous courage, dignity and grace in the face of world/media/hate? YES
—Is he a man with a creed before he’s anything else? Yes.
—Did he establish Health Savings accounts? Yes.
—Did he have the Border Patrol installing monitoring devices along the borders? Yes.
—Has he made mistakes? Yes. Some undeniable beauts.
—Has he been an imperfect president? Yes.
—Has he spent too much? Probably.
—Has he given you most of what you’ve wanted? Actually, looking at the list…yes!
—Has he dared to disagree with anyone to keep his principles, even you? Yes.
Has he really been your Judas? Has he really betrayed you?
Did he ever question your patriotism, or tell you you were a bad person? No, actually, he didn’t. Go read his remarks in context, instead of looking at one sentence blared at you by the very media you distrust. Be intellectually honest enough to admit that in this immigration controversy there are (sadly) some who are using fear to move their agenda, and there are some (only some, but they hurt us all) who reveal bigotry in their rants. You needn’t be offended if you can remember that there are those “somes” in every group; conservatives have no corner of perfection. You actually do have a choice as to how you receive what you hear, see and read, just as you have a choice as to how you receive a good, that is, with “open” or “closed” heart.
http://theanchoressonline.com/page/2/
>> Sorry guys, I will never vote GOP again. <<
That is just plain insanity. By all means, don’t vote straight ticket, but to thank the hard work of people like Jeff Sessions, Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint by saying you’d never vote for them? That’s beyond words...
The writer didn’t say only a minority are opponents, but that only a minority are passionate opponents. 90% of Americans never bothered to contact any of their elected officials even once.
I will revise that to say I will only vote for a Conservative Republican. I will never hold my nose and vote for a RINO or a person I should have known better than to vote for. I will be selective.
Now we need to keep better track of what these people are up to. I was angry at the moment,
Am I forgiven?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Correct.
Think Bush is a bad President? Wait until Clinton 2.0, this time with a more liberal Democratic Congress.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.